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The CTC Wings (Cadets) Thread - Part 2.

Old 15th Feb 2007, 03:16
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Can anyone confirm what pre3mhjt speculates, that if your phase 4 is at Dibden then its a 737 and if its at BOH its a King Air?

Thanks
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Old 15th Feb 2007, 04:30
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Right Stuff?

Hey guys,

Before I post just wanna say that this thread is really informative and the guides you guys have given to the CTC process are priceless.

I have had my application form with CTC for around 1.5 years now:P I been really hesitant to submit it as one of the questions is:

''Do you hold a full UK driving License?''

If its not important, why would they ask? and besides in 99% sure you need one to potentially be an airline pilot (travelling from home to work etc). Well, i am about to start a 1 week intensive Pass course (at the cost of 750 cringe!).

I am 21 and i never got the chance to learn because i basically went straight from boarding school to University. During the dosser 1st year, i guess i should have done it.

Furthermore, I was just wondering what everyone else backgrounds are for getting through to Stage 2. cos from the nature of everyones posts, you all seem really intelligent, on the ball, and all nice chaps, so fo thos who dont get to phase 2, what must have been wrong? Im a little worried that i wont make is and an airline pilot (as wioth everyone else) is all i have ever wanted to be!

My Specs are as follows:

Male 21
BEng Aeronautical Engineering @ Loughborough Uni.
(finalist, due to graduate this summer)
A-Levels: Maths (A), Physics (A), DT (B)
AS-Level: geography (C)
GCSE: 8 (A-B), 1 (C - French - yuk)

obviously, qualifications dont make up for personality, but i was just wondering if i am on par with the rest of you?

My only empolyments were various barstaff @ bars/Clubs.
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Old 15th Feb 2007, 05:21
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''Do you hold a full UK driving License?''

If its not important, why would they ask? and besides in 99% sure you need one to potentially be an airline pilot (travelling from home to work etc). Well, i am about to start a 1 week intensive Pass course (at the cost of 750 cringe!).
Least of your worries for now, it is certainly not a pre-requisite - It would be good to have though just so that you can drive in NZ otherwise you'll be dependant upon others to ship you to the airport and to town etc.

As for not being intelligent enough to pass phase 2, I wouldn't worry about it... the maths test is really simple and they even let you re-attempt it at phase 3 if you only just fail it (no, I didn't fail it before you ask ) - can't say fairer than that! The rest is just down to aptitude and I wouldn't really correlate that with intelligence. If you require a bib every time you eat and have a nasty habit of walking into lamposts then maybe you won't do so well, but I really wouldn't spend much time worrying about this phase. I'm not sure of specific pass rates but I think it's something around half get through...

Phase 3 is, in my opinion, the make or break phase and by far the most challenging - after that you're more or less a shoe in unless you insult the phase 4 instructor's mother/have the flying ability of a penguin.

Captain Spam Can - he is correct...

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Old 15th Feb 2007, 05:32
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hahaha - thanks for the reply!! like ur style! :P Hope you are successful!
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Old 15th Feb 2007, 06:37
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Captain Spam, I wasn't speculating I was confirming, and if you get to stage 4 it won't be at Dibden, it will be Nursling or BOH.
Lovezzin, as my good man Rusty says, a driving licence is by no means a requirement, in fact I could name 3 people out here who will have a fATPL before being legally allowed to drive!
Ribena, I don't have the information to hand but I will try and find out for you as soon as I can.

Good luck everyone

Pre3
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Old 15th Feb 2007, 08:14
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You've got me beaten then... I can only think of two out here!

Still, point stands - it's certainly not something to hold off your application form for, they are after pilots not limosine drivers. If you have the wherewithall and the capability of attaining your fATPL, and getting through the course in general, I think it's more or less assumed you will be able to convince the DVLA's finest that you are capable of driving a car should the need arise due to basing upon employment etc. If not, I find bribery works a treat.

And yes... I hope I am successful too... otherwise that loan was a big mistake.
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Old 15th Feb 2007, 14:48
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Hi there MFWF,

I just read your comment with interest - I too am an ex Naval Officer who applied for CTC but failed miserably at Satge 3!

I would be glad to offer any advice / assistance if you like.

Are you an ex aviator? I was chopped at 702 sadly and then left the mob.

You'll have loads of examples to give them on the application from when you did SMAC etc, so that will be fine.

Stage 2 was just like the aptitudes at OASC only about 10 times easier - no problem there then! I really had to brush up on my maths though, a waek point of mine.

Stage 3 I came a cropper. And this is where ex military people find it weird. It's all about team building / role play stuff but they don't want you to take charge of a situation. And they don't want you to be quiet either. It's all very fluffy - unfortunately the team I was with were quiet as a mouse and I ended up steering them through the excercise.

Phase 4 - well it's a sim check so you'll be fine!

Another ex Navy chap is out in NZ, he was chopped on 824 and is getting a bit frustrated with the whole course out there. He doesn't have a PPL so is having to go through all of the basics.

I've got a PPL and that's about it. I'm considering re-appplying to CTC (even though they said not to) but am also looking at other FTO's out there too.

Good luck and let me know how you get on!

Smudge
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Old 15th Feb 2007, 16:05
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Phase 3 - Info

HI

Can anybody offer any experience of phase 3, I.E the sort of activites in the morning, iv read all through these threads and there is plenty of info on the Interview, hence im after more info on the first part of the day. Any more interview advice is welcome though.

Many Thanks and good luck to all

Tom
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Old 15th Feb 2007, 23:59
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Another ex Navy chap is out in NZ, he was chopped on 824 and is getting a bit frustrated with the whole course out there. He doesn't have a PPL so is having to go through all of the basics.
Would that be a certain Scottish chap?



Stage 3 I came a cropper. And this is where ex military people find it weird. It's all about team building / role play stuff but they don't want you to take charge of a situation. And they don't want you to be quiet either. It's all very fluffy - unfortunately the team I was with were quiet as a mouse and I ended up steering them through the excercise.
Yeah it's a tricky one... It's not that they don't want to see you take charge of the situation, it's that they want to see that although you have the ability to lead they also want to see that you are not over-dominating and give everyone else the chance to have the lime light for a bit. So if you are a strong leader character (like most ex mil officers are) and are surrounded by the quiet retiring types during your group activities you have your work cut out for you for sure.
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Old 16th Feb 2007, 07:54
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Hello,

I will pass CTC and NJE selection in few months and I would like
to prepare phase3 interviews.

It there anybody interested to chat with me on skype to prepare
the phase3?

Best regards,
MD
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Old 16th Feb 2007, 08:00
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Hi again,

the chat subject could be : the future of the commercial aviation, we could plan a debate on this subject. If you interested, please let me know by sending me a MP.

MD
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Old 16th Feb 2007, 10:11
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If you interested, please let me know by sending me a MP

Any particular one? Boris Johnson is always good for a laugh.... Although I'm not sure I have any boxes big enough at the moment.
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Old 16th Feb 2007, 10:18
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deviation indicator

hey, i was just wondering if any one remembers on phase 2 if the deviation indicatior reacts to the same force or opposite force to center it.

e.g. if the vertical line moves left, do you move the joystick left or right to move it to the middle?

i really want to pass and trying to get as much information as possible

thanks.

capt x
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Old 16th Feb 2007, 11:21
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That helps loads, thanks airgus xx
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Old 16th Feb 2007, 11:41
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Deviation Indicator

Guys,

As has been said a million times before it really doesn't help to get stressed out about the aptitudes.

The thing about aptitude is you either have it or you don't. It's like medical, there's nothing you can do about it! So the BEST thing to do is to forget practicing PILAPT and worrying about which way the bar moves and get a bloody good nights sleep and RELAX and ENJOY the tests! They are actually good fun!

As far as I am aware the tests are designed to measure improvement. So if you've spent 6 months practicing PILAPT and are an aptitude ninja, you're not really going to improve much on the day are you?

And in case you're wondering i've passed the military ones 3 times and the CTC ones too. And I didn't do any rehearsing other than revise my mental arithmetic.

Hope this helps you guys sitting aptitudes for the first time. Cheers.
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Old 16th Feb 2007, 15:13
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The 5000 a year in living costs which HSBC are prepared to lend you, is it enough to live off? As i dont have access to large amounts of cash.
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Old 17th Feb 2007, 07:34
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I have still no receivedprivate message. Does it mean nobody is interested to chat on skype to prepare phase3? :-(

May my previous post wasn't very clear but If you are interested to have group talk on skype, please, send me a private message.

bye
Med
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Old 17th Feb 2007, 08:10
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Lovezzin

The other chaps are correct that you don't need a driving license prior to starting the course but you are doing the right thing getting one now. I wouldn't recommend anyone start the scheme without one. You don't want to be dealing with Bournemouth and learning to drive at the same time - you are busy enough. Similar with the later stages of the course. If you arrive at your airline without a driving license you are going to have fun making that 0430 report using public transport!

Good luck guys
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Old 18th Feb 2007, 15:58
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Hi, im looking for any additional info (aside from whats in this thread and the original) on Phase 4 sim ride. Not been able to find much relating to stage 4, im especially interested in what your expected to do if you do have some hours under your belt? or is it still just a case of climbing, turning etc? Also if your asked maths questions or any such questions whilst on the sim check?

Thanks
CSC
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Old 18th Feb 2007, 21:09
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I would like to know what your views are on going through the first few years of your career with a huge 60+K debt! Can one sleep with such a big noose around your neck?! Anyone been there? Anyone wishes to share their views of how they would cope with it? And also, anyone know how much the whole training REALLY adds up to (adding insurances, foundation course, etc, etc.)......any unexpected surprise expences?
If you make a more thorough search you will find some answers, however, just to sum up the cost of training after flying for 7 years with the partner airline will exceed 100,000 (including interests etc). However, there is plenty of information in previous posts in this very thread and the original thread.

Regarding stage 4, it is a simulator check and yes you will be asked strange questions, including mental mathematics. A common question cadets are asked is "What is your date of birth?" followed by "Express your age as months". Mathematics questions are not too complex but they're not easy. You can be asked for the square root of an odd number, for example while executing a descending turn in a 737 simulator.

If you passed to stage 4, it means you've got what it takes. Just relax and enjoy every part of it, and last but not least, go with your brain's learning devices turned on!
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