The CTC Wings (Cadets) Thread - Part 2.
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steveoneil,
Look at the thread in " interviews, jobs and sponsorships " section. All your questions answered there. But basically the 60,000 pounds + for training is covered by an unsecured loan from HSBC, which providing you pass Ctc selection, is made available to you, signed in your name.
All this info is available on the Ctc website as well r.e. financing, i suggest you read it before turning up at stage 2, you need to know what you are getting yourself into.
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Look at the thread in " interviews, jobs and sponsorships " section. All your questions answered there. But basically the 60,000 pounds + for training is covered by an unsecured loan from HSBC, which providing you pass Ctc selection, is made available to you, signed in your name.
All this info is available on the Ctc website as well r.e. financing, i suggest you read it before turning up at stage 2, you need to know what you are getting yourself into.
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NEWSFLASH - CTC is not Integrated?
Interesting snippet of info from a current CTC-er that states:
"We were recently given a speech by the head of training out here and it seems that after all the confusion and hoo-ha I found out that my CP course is not integrated, but part of the original modular syllabus. What difference this will make to my destination airline is probably quite minimal, as I still thing CTC is still the best training organisation in terms of getting a job afterwards. Its all been really frustrating as nobody seemed to understand what was going on out here, including the NZ staff, but at least now its all been sorted and confirmed as modular. At the end of the day, I still wanted to undertake my flying training with CTC and the whole integrated course was really just a bonus."
This guy's blog is http://flyingtraining.*************/ and he's been out there since Xmas 2006.
Now, if I remember correctly, CTC were marketing the course as integrated, yet apparently it isn't.
Would anyone with experience care to comment? What are the implications for trainees i.e. I hear that some airlines do not take pilots from modular courses (partner airlines not incuded) so could a CTC trainee be disadvantaged later in their career? etc...
"We were recently given a speech by the head of training out here and it seems that after all the confusion and hoo-ha I found out that my CP course is not integrated, but part of the original modular syllabus. What difference this will make to my destination airline is probably quite minimal, as I still thing CTC is still the best training organisation in terms of getting a job afterwards. Its all been really frustrating as nobody seemed to understand what was going on out here, including the NZ staff, but at least now its all been sorted and confirmed as modular. At the end of the day, I still wanted to undertake my flying training with CTC and the whole integrated course was really just a bonus."
This guy's blog is http://flyingtraining.*************/ and he's been out there since Xmas 2006.
Now, if I remember correctly, CTC were marketing the course as integrated, yet apparently it isn't.
Would anyone with experience care to comment? What are the implications for trainees i.e. I hear that some airlines do not take pilots from modular courses (partner airlines not incuded) so could a CTC trainee be disadvantaged later in their career? etc...
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Well if I remember, BA used to not take modular although I stand corrected. As you know BA is now a customer of CTC taking Wings Cadets so there is absolutely no serious difference at all here regarding modular vs integrated at all.
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I read somewhere that it was modular due to a technicality... I *think* because they use bristol ground school. But something has changed recently and it's now technically integrated.
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The BA position is what I understood.
BA, however, do not appear to me to be the same status of partner airline. The way I interpreted the BA relationship was this:
BA acknowledge that CTC cadets are a resource to be considered for BA recruitment purposes. A CTC cadet is subject to the BA recruitment process e.g. the fully assessment that any applicant goes through. This suggests that CTC training confers no benefit when it comes to BA recruitment.
If BA's policy is to recruit students of the integrated route only, perhaps they will cease to be considered a "partner" airline.
Compare BA to, say, Easyjet who apparently do not put cadets through their own specific selection process (if you consider 6 months line experience not to be a selection process).
There's a marked difference here, which is why I don't think BA are the same kind of "partner".
BA, however, do not appear to me to be the same status of partner airline. The way I interpreted the BA relationship was this:
BA acknowledge that CTC cadets are a resource to be considered for BA recruitment purposes. A CTC cadet is subject to the BA recruitment process e.g. the fully assessment that any applicant goes through. This suggests that CTC training confers no benefit when it comes to BA recruitment.
If BA's policy is to recruit students of the integrated route only, perhaps they will cease to be considered a "partner" airline.
Compare BA to, say, Easyjet who apparently do not put cadets through their own specific selection process (if you consider 6 months line experience not to be a selection process).
There's a marked difference here, which is why I don't think BA are the same kind of "partner".
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pplstudent - check the blog. This guy was told "modular" some time between Feb 19 and March 11. I had heard (prob from here) that CTC went integrated sometime before Feb.
From an "eyes open" perspective, I think it's important to turly understand the position here.
Any input from past or present CTC-ers would be appreciated, otherwise this is pure conjecture and of extremely limited value.
From an "eyes open" perspective, I think it's important to turly understand the position here.
Any input from past or present CTC-ers would be appreciated, otherwise this is pure conjecture and of extremely limited value.
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BA is a standard partner of CTC but they just happen to have a company policy of placing the CTC cadet under the standard interview process before going online with them. All it means if I understand this correctly is that if you as a cadet are ear-marked for BA then you must then just go through the BA interview process just so BA are sure they like you. I stand corrected. Best person to ask would be one of the chaps from CTC19 who is with BA.
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My understanding: CTC has been modular up untill now, apparently the CAA may be allowing CTC to sell their course as Intergrated with in the next few days/weeks. I think this applies to courses cp46 47, and almost definately applied to cp48 onwards.
Intergrated or not; it wont affect your employability after CTC- you will still be employed by their partner airlines
Intergrated or not; it wont affect your employability after CTC- you will still be employed by their partner airlines
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I've just been reading about the Thomas Cook/Mytravel merger. Does anyone know what this will mean in terms of being selected. Is there now one less partner airline or will they continue to recruit seperatly?
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I was at CTC phase two yesterday in Bournemouth, and the staff there stressed heavily that the course was integrated and not modular. Whether this is just for courses starting in the near future, has already been enacted or has been the case for some time I don't know, but if you are currently going through the application process and have yet to start you are likely to be going into an integrated course rather than a modular one.
[Edit] At what point do you need to have your Class 1 secured in the application process? Do CTC expect it before stage 3?
[Edit] At what point do you need to have your Class 1 secured in the application process? Do CTC expect it before stage 3?
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Diabhal,
Medical only needs to be done once CTC have made you a conditional offer following a successful stage 4. The medical doesn't come cheap - so CTC deserve a pat on the back for not requesting applicants have the medical as an initial requirement (i.e. before stage 2) like other training organisations.
There is nothing stopping you doing it at any point however.
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Medical only needs to be done once CTC have made you a conditional offer following a successful stage 4. The medical doesn't come cheap - so CTC deserve a pat on the back for not requesting applicants have the medical as an initial requirement (i.e. before stage 2) like other training organisations.
There is nothing stopping you doing it at any point however.
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BA do take modular trained guys, but only those with previous airline experience before applying i.e not straight out of flight training wth a cpl/ir.
Being modular trained is no barrier to BA but it won't be the first job you'll get.
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Being modular trained is no barrier to BA but it won't be the first job you'll get.
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In ref to Thrilseekers post, to make myself clear, i was referring to other lines of training in the main. If you've been through CTC then even though you are technically modular trained BA won't look at you any differently from an integrated student.
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stage 4
that was awesome! just had the privelege of flying with no other than Chris Clarke in the cockpit of the new 737 simulator at nursling ... The fixed projection was double booked so we got to use the newer one (altho motion was turned off 
) and i most certainly didnt expect the captain of ctc to be taking the assesment!!) Got to do a takeoff, circuits and a landing... which was ace ... think i did alright although i wont know until i get the phone call either way.. great fun nevertheless!!!!
fingers crossed!
) and i most certainly didnt expect the captain of ctc to be taking the assesment!!) Got to do a takeoff, circuits and a landing... which was ace ... think i did alright although i wont know until i get the phone call either way.. great fun nevertheless!!!!fingers crossed!
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CTC Stage 3 28/03/07
Alright Rory,
Jus found out i got thru, am pretty goddamn relieved, been bricking it all morning! Got my stage 4 on April 19th. Good luck to the rest of the lads who were there yesterday, let me know when your stage 4 is if you get thru which hopefully u all did.
Ziyad
Jus found out i got thru, am pretty goddamn relieved, been bricking it all morning! Got my stage 4 on April 19th. Good luck to the rest of the lads who were there yesterday, let me know when your stage 4 is if you get thru which hopefully u all did.
Ziyad