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'Base Capt' is hardly a qualification. Most of the RYR Base Captains I've come across sort paper clips, and seem to get off on
pilots for incorrectly filled in forms. Some have even been known to shout at you for not fastening the front of your hi viz tabard.
It's arguable whether this lofty type of appointment looks good on a CV, and is hardly relevant here.
'Base Capt' is hardly a qualification. Most of the RYR Base Captains I've come across sort paper clips, and seem to get off on
pilots for incorrectly filled in forms. Some have even been known to shout at you for not fastening the front of your hi viz tabard.It's arguable whether this lofty type of appointment looks good on a CV, and is hardly relevant here.
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Doesn’t sound very knowledgeable, and calling it nonsense is dismissive. So you DONT fly for Ryanair and yet you claim to know the ins and outs of the scheme more than those who went through it?
You do not understand the contract, you do not have experience at Ryanair to be in a position to talk I’m afraid.
The salary is from base training for the bonded cadets not the contractors or BUZZ. £21K / 23K€ .
You are not employed by Ryanair until the end of line training so that’s just. And yes, if you have flown for them you’d know that the comment made about base captain is also true. There so many wrongs with your claims that are not even worth the time. Again, haven’t been there? So sit down.
Doesn’t sound very knowledgeable, and calling it nonsense is dismissive. So you DONT fly for Ryanair and yet you claim to know the ins and outs of the scheme more than those who went through it?
You do not understand the contract, you do not have experience at Ryanair to be in a position to talk I’m afraid.
The salary is from base training for the bonded cadets not the contractors or BUZZ. £21K / 23K€ .
You are not employed by Ryanair until the end of line training so that’s just
. And yes, if you have flown for them you’d know that the comment made about base captain is also true. There so many wrongs with your claims that are not even worth the time. Again, haven’t been there? So sit down.
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Once again you are spreading more lies. FACT CHECKER required here. Cadets aren't joining as a contractor. Its a RYR contract and if you were so in the know you'd be aware that the salary for cadets is now considerably lower than the £21K that you have stated. And, yes, Salary from base training.
If these were normal times would there be a better option for cadets somewhere else? Yes, I think so. I do not agree with 30K for a TR however these aren't normal times and this is, by far, the best option for the new guys if they want a job anytime within the next 2 years.
Finally, I understand its hard for the guys who have left RYR to now see younger/less experienced aviators secure a job/return to a flight deck before them but sadly that is life.
If these were normal times would there be a better option for cadets somewhere else? Yes, I think so. I do not agree with 30K for a TR however these aren't normal times and this is, by far, the best option for the new guys if they want a job anytime within the next 2 years.
Finally, I understand its hard for the guys who have left RYR to now see younger/less experienced aviators secure a job/return to a flight deck before them but sadly that is life.
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You obviously haven't got any operational experience because if you had you wouldn't be soo naive.
Here's some facts for you:
- TR course starts 1 March and costs 30k.
- Cadets are to cover additional costs such as assessments and interviews, security passes, uniform, living costs during TR in EMA, food.
- No remuneration for Cadets during TR.
- A training contract between yourself AFA and a contractor called Blue Sky Aviation exists to provide only TR, base and LT.
- A salary of Pro rata 16K is paid to cadets from Blue Sky Aviation for the period of LT - 4 - 6 months of pro rata 16K is roughly 1K per month.
- Total earnings at best 6K.
- No further agreements stand between the cadet and any party after LT. Anything further is subject to business demand and will be on a zero hours basis with a ryr contractor if you are needed.
Total TR expenses = 33 - 35K
Total year earnings = approx 6K (during LT)
Year rent costs = 400 per month sharing - 4,800 per year
TR Loan repayment 30K = 300 - 400 monthly - 3,600 per year
Fuel = XXX
Food = XXX
Very conservative total not inc ATPL repayments, living or travel costs = 8,400.
Net = - 2,400
We don't need to get into stuff we've already covered.
Your parents won't support you forever. Grow up.
You obviously haven't got any operational experience because if you had you wouldn't be soo naive.
Here's some facts for you:
- TR course starts 1 March and costs 30k.
- Cadets are to cover additional costs such as assessments and interviews, security passes, uniform, living costs during TR in EMA, food.
- No remuneration for Cadets during TR.
- A training contract between yourself AFA and a contractor called Blue Sky Aviation exists to provide only TR, base and LT.
- A salary of Pro rata 16K is paid to cadets from Blue Sky Aviation for the period of LT - 4 - 6 months of pro rata 16K is roughly 1K per month.
- Total earnings at best 6K.
- No further agreements stand between the cadet and any party after LT. Anything further is subject to business demand and will be on a zero hours basis with a ryr contractor if you are needed.
Total TR expenses = 33 - 35K
Total year earnings = approx 6K (during LT)
Year rent costs = 400 per month sharing - 4,800 per year
TR Loan repayment 30K = 300 - 400 monthly - 3,600 per year
Fuel = XXX
Food = XXX
Very conservative total not inc ATPL repayments, living or travel costs = 8,400.
Net = - 2,400
We don't need to get into stuff we've already covered.
Your parents won't support you forever. Grow up.
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Guys, I appreciate some of you are clearly not fans of Ryanair. However, this thread is for the 'Interview and Sim Assessment' and any feedback that could help us is being drowned out by this bile.
Could you potentially start a new thread to discuss this so that those of us who have assessments coming up can actually prepare and receive up to date feedback?
Cheers
Could you potentially start a new thread to discuss this so that those of us who have assessments coming up can actually prepare and receive up to date feedback?
Cheers
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There is nothing in the contract that says after LT you are employed by Ryanair. You are given a training contract and nothing further. Ryr themselves have been very clear on that:
While XXX and its approved XXX XXX Agencies currently have positions available at bases throughout Europe, you must clearly understand that the training contract does not constitute an offer of employment nor a guarantee of an offer of employment at any time. Upon successful completion of your training you may be offered an employment contract with XXX or one of our XXX XXXXX Providers subject to your satisfactory performance during the term of this training contract and the requirements of the business at the prevailing time.
My airline hired me, paid for my TR, bonded me and paid me from day one. I would think if an airline wasn't certain they'd reduce their obligations: charge for the TR, remove the bond and pay through a 3rd party to reduce liability.
Stop sugarcoating the risk. The risk is huge for those taking loans or with families to support. As mentioned there's a best case and a worst case scenario. If you can plan for the worst and you can make it work then by all means do so. But do so willingly with a clear and realistic perspective.
There is nothing in the contract that says after LT you are employed by Ryanair. You are given a training contract and nothing further. Ryr themselves have been very clear on that:
While XXX and its approved XXX XXX Agencies currently have positions available at bases throughout Europe, you must clearly understand that the training contract does not constitute an offer of employment nor a guarantee of an offer of employment at any time. Upon successful completion of your training you may be offered an employment contract with XXX or one of our XXX XXXXX Providers subject to your satisfactory performance during the term of this training contract and the requirements of the business at the prevailing time.
My airline hired me, paid for my TR, bonded me and paid me from day one. I would think if an airline wasn't certain they'd reduce their obligations: charge for the TR, remove the bond and pay through a 3rd party to reduce liability.
Stop sugarcoating the risk. The risk is huge for those taking loans or with families to support. As mentioned there's a best case and a worst case scenario. If you can plan for the worst and you can make it work then by all means do so. But do so willingly with a clear and realistic perspective.
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Hahaha this is laughable. I’m no competition with Cadets and am in a secure position, have enough hours to move anywhere but I’m cosy where I am, thank you, which is more than you by the looks of it. That said, I’m always open to help them because it seems that a lot of people go through it and then are embarrassed to tell the truth, as they sold it as gold before and they need to save face. That’s the reason I am here, to tell the truth. Now what’s yours?
Did you or did you not work for Ryanair? It was a simple question. If you have no experience by going through the scheme and you feel entitled to school those who did AND/OR want to give advice to future cadets on something you have no experience on, how does that make you look? The part where you said that cadets would get pay increments after line training just showed your lack of knowledge. I wasn’t on the advertised salary until one year and half after joining, have payslips to prove it. Financially it takes a while and they are not forthcoming with the truth.
I know that HR monitors this forum, if that’s you then what a poor job you’re doing.
@ContactApproach was spot on with his figures and claims.
Ryanair is full of bullies, there is no policy with a well structured assistance to employees on anything. I have witnessed crew being abused, I have been at the end of shouty captains, there are things that your mates won’t tell you, you must experience them to understand. How can you truly paint a picture of it from the outside?
Were you there when EIN closed? Did you talk to those pilots? Do you know that RYR lost in court for bullying them? What about the Portuguese crew? Do you know the truth about the schedule, sick pay and policy?
Were you there when management were paying visits to the crew rooms before the strikes, to intimidate pilots and ask if they were going to work?(ilegal). Tell us, how can you best advise these kids?
Is it the only opportunity they have? Yes. Is it the best? Absolutely not, it’s a terrible environment but they have to think of the hours, I agree on that. So with that in mind, your job is done here as theres nothing constructive left for you to say, why don’t you see yourself out because you’re irrelevant here.
This is the Ryanair interview and Sim assessment forum, cadets come here and need advice. The BEST advice they will get is not from a Ryanair HR dude, or from a pilot who never set foot at Ryanair, or a pilot who never even flown a jet ever. The best advice they will get is from ex cadets, who are employed or were employed by the said outfit.
So, see yourself out and the remaining participants, if need advice just drop me a message, don’t listen to this gentleman.
Hahaha this is laughable. I’m no competition with Cadets and am in a secure position, have enough hours to move anywhere but I’m cosy where I am, thank you, which is more than you by the looks of it. That said, I’m always open to help them because it seems that a lot of people go through it and then are embarrassed to tell the truth, as they sold it as gold before and they need to save face. That’s the reason I am here, to tell the truth. Now what’s yours?
Did you or did you not work for Ryanair? It was a simple question. If you have no experience by going through the scheme and you feel entitled to school those who did AND/OR want to give advice to future cadets on something you have no experience on, how does that make you look? The part where you said that cadets would get pay increments after line training just showed your lack of knowledge. I wasn’t on the advertised salary until one year and half after joining, have payslips to prove it. Financially it takes a while and they are not forthcoming with the truth.
I know that HR monitors this forum, if that’s you then what a poor job you’re doing.
@ContactApproach was spot on with his figures and claims.
Ryanair is full of bullies, there is no policy with a well structured assistance to employees on anything. I have witnessed crew being abused, I have been at the end of shouty captains, there are things that your mates won’t tell you, you must experience them to understand. How can you truly paint a picture of it from the outside?
Were you there when EIN closed? Did you talk to those pilots? Do you know that RYR lost in court for bullying them? What about the Portuguese crew? Do you know the truth about the schedule, sick pay and policy?
Were you there when management were paying visits to the crew rooms before the strikes, to intimidate pilots and ask if they were going to work?(ilegal). Tell us, how can you best advise these kids?
Is it the only opportunity they have? Yes. Is it the best? Absolutely not, it’s a terrible environment but they have to think of the hours, I agree on that. So with that in mind, your job is done here as theres nothing constructive left for you to say, why don’t you see yourself out because you’re irrelevant here.
This is the Ryanair interview and Sim assessment forum, cadets come here and need advice. The BEST advice they will get is not from a Ryanair HR dude, or from a pilot who never set foot at Ryanair, or a pilot who never even flown a jet ever. The best advice they will get is from ex cadets, who are employed or were employed by the said outfit.
So, see yourself out and the remaining participants, if need advice just drop me a message, don’t listen to this gentleman.
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The market is full of experienced people. For what other reason would FR try to recruit "cadets" other then being able to find blue eyed kids like yourself, who do not give a damn about earning less than at MickeyDs, as long as you get to fly a 737. Race to the bottom.
The market is full of experienced people. For what other reason would FR try to recruit "cadets" other then being able to find blue eyed kids like yourself, who do not give a damn about earning less than at MickeyDs, as long as you get to fly a 737. Race to the bottom.
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That about sums it up. The shameless airlines and gullible morons - worlds collide. What aviation dreams are made of.
Simple - if you want to get into flying now, get your head examined as soon as possible.. You're being taken for a ride, and it won't end well. More to the point - you are destroying aviation for all of us. It started 20 years ago, and there's a never ending stream of fools from sausage factories feeding the monster.
Well done.
Simple - if you want to get into flying now, get your head examined as soon as possible.. You're being taken for a ride, and it won't end well. More to the point - you are destroying aviation for all of us. It started 20 years ago, and there's a never ending stream of fools from sausage factories feeding the monster.
Well done.
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Hi guys, on Friday I have just got my confirmation e-mail that I have successfully passed the online pre-assessment test. Can someone please tell me how long does it take till I get contacted to discuss the further assessment dates and procedures? Thank you in advance. And I will just leave this quote here 
“It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent; it is the one most adaptable to change.” - Charles Darwin.
“It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent; it is the one most adaptable to change.” - Charles Darwin.
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Yes and I am one of them. I never looked back. I had no plans to leave pre pandemic simply because no one was going to pay me the same money and give me the same time off. Looking at the disgusting behaviour during the pandemic of supposed “good career airlines” - I wont be going anywhere.
Keep your head down, work hard and the likelihood is you will do just fine. Its tough at the moment and everyone is just hanging in there.
There will be lots of opportunities over the coming years and market forces will always dictate. The quick commands in UK/Ireland wont be around for a while but they will elsewhere.
Ryanair have taken hundreds of DEFOs and DEC over the last 6-7 years. They have always started out recruitment drives with Cadets, so its not big news. Neither is the non stop drivel and poison on here directed at cadets. I was one of them and so were the other 11 on my course at one time. Any of us that stayed are all Captains, BCs, LTCs TREs. The ones that left went to BA,TUI, EK, Norwegian Jet2 etc and have forged very successful careers. Some of them that did leave have been unlucky because of the pandemic and are experiencing really tough times. They are all top guys and I hope they get back flying soon.
Anyway.... best of luck to all applying on the cadet front. To the experienced guys - I am sure there will be eventual recruitment (there has been some on the Airbus) but for the Boeing it will take time IMHO.
Yes and I am one of them. I never looked back. I had no plans to leave pre pandemic simply because no one was going to pay me the same money and give me the same time off. Looking at the disgusting behaviour during the pandemic of supposed “good career airlines” - I wont be going anywhere.
Keep your head down, work hard and the likelihood is you will do just fine. Its tough at the moment and everyone is just hanging in there.
There will be lots of opportunities over the coming years and market forces will always dictate. The quick commands in UK/Ireland wont be around for a while but they will elsewhere.
Ryanair have taken hundreds of DEFOs and DEC over the last 6-7 years. They have always started out recruitment drives with Cadets, so its not big news. Neither is the non stop drivel and poison on here directed at cadets. I was one of them and so were the other 11 on my course at one time. Any of us that stayed are all Captains, BCs, LTCs TREs. The ones that left went to BA,TUI, EK, Norwegian Jet2 etc and have forged very successful careers. Some of them that did leave have been unlucky because of the pandemic and are experiencing really tough times. They are all top guys and I hope they get back flying soon.
Anyway.... best of luck to all applying on the cadet front. To the experienced guys - I am sure there will be eventual recruitment (there has been some on the Airbus) but for the Boeing it will take time IMHO.
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As someone sitting here with a PPL, 20hrs solo and all 14 ATPL exams passed & has seriously considered jacking all this in for something else, you have no idea how good it feels to have someone come back with something positive. Am not due to apply anywhere for the next 10 - 12 months, still need to hours build, CPL & MCC etc. Am under no illusions how bad it is out there but these dark days surely will pass soon. Agree about some of the 'good' airlines, having seen the fire & re-hiring at a certain major flag carrier!!!
Assume you work at Ryanair, perhaps we might meet one day, stay safe
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This thread is called Ryanair Interview and Sim Assessment (merged)
It is not called Convince me to/not to join Ryanair.
To all you keyboard warriors, make your own thread and go fight over there.
People come here to find useful info regarding the interview and SIM assessment, which would assume they already made a decision whether they want to join Ryanair or not.
But, as pilots do, some knows best and want to show it.
What happened to live and let live?
It is not called Convince me to/not to join Ryanair.
To all you keyboard warriors, make your own thread and go fight over there.
People come here to find useful info regarding the interview and SIM assessment, which would assume they already made a decision whether they want to join Ryanair or not.
But, as pilots do, some knows best and want to show it.
What happened to live and let live?
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What info do you need and what info will you use to make up your mind before handing over the 30K? Or does the last part not matter?
Have you tried:
https://airlineassessmentprep.com/ir...t-preparation/
All the available resources are out there regarding the assessment and what to expect. Take some initiative and put some effort in. What isn’t available are hard facts of what potentially lies ahead. That’s why those of us who’ve been through it are trying to get that through to you guys. Some have suffered some have prospered. When you are successful - the pass grade is not set high, a good command of the english language for example is the benchmark for the video interview - Ryr won’t show you your contract until you arrive day 1 and you have to ask yourself, why?
As a competent line pilot you are required to use all available resources to diagnose and decide on the best course of action. So many on this thread are simply gung-ho without consideration. I liken it to pulling the Eng Fire handle when you may only have an EICAS fault.
We are here to assist and offer advice based on experience, unlike others who haven’t done a 4 sector 5 day week in their lives! I have seen the good and bad with Ryanair so I’m not hating on them, i’m just trying to protect people from getting stuck in the mud.
Yes this is an opportunity and yes it’s tough out there but you also need to be realistic about it. Make sure you are able to plan for the worst and you’ll stand a good chance at some point of getting some flying in. Just don’t complain in 2 years when the next lot of cadets come through and shaft things for you.
Have you tried:
https://airlineassessmentprep.com/ir...t-preparation/
All the available resources are out there regarding the assessment and what to expect. Take some initiative and put some effort in. What isn’t available are hard facts of what potentially lies ahead. That’s why those of us who’ve been through it are trying to get that through to you guys. Some have suffered some have prospered. When you are successful - the pass grade is not set high, a good command of the english language for example is the benchmark for the video interview - Ryr won’t show you your contract until you arrive day 1 and you have to ask yourself, why?
As a competent line pilot you are required to use all available resources to diagnose and decide on the best course of action. So many on this thread are simply gung-ho without consideration. I liken it to pulling the Eng Fire handle when you may only have an EICAS fault.
We are here to assist and offer advice based on experience, unlike others who haven’t done a 4 sector 5 day week in their lives! I have seen the good and bad with Ryanair so I’m not hating on them, i’m just trying to protect people from getting stuck in the mud.
Yes this is an opportunity and yes it’s tough out there but you also need to be realistic about it. Make sure you are able to plan for the worst and you’ll stand a good chance at some point of getting some flying in. Just don’t complain in 2 years when the next lot of cadets come through and shaft things for you.
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That last part could actually be useful for many, thank you.
I'm good, I'm in already. I'm still flying and more importantly I'll still be flying at the end of the year.
This thread is not to judge other's decisions, your opinion is not required nor requested.
This thread is for people who seek or want to share their experiences at the interview/SIM.
I would share mines, but we had an informal chat followed by a ride in the -200. Not helpful for these guys
Everyone gets offended nowadays if they see something they disagree with and feel the need to butt in.
Go open your own thread and have fun!
I'm good, I'm in already. I'm still flying and more importantly I'll still be flying at the end of the year.
This thread is not to judge other's decisions, your opinion is not required nor requested.
This thread is for people who seek or want to share their experiences at the interview/SIM.
I would share mines, but we had an informal chat followed by a ride in the -200. Not helpful for these guys
Everyone gets offended nowadays if they see something they disagree with and feel the need to butt in.
Go open your own thread and have fun!
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Why are you?
Beside taking out your frustration on other users and doing a bit of Ryanair bashing while at it.
I'm just tired of bullies like you that knows best and force their views onto others.
If I had listened to people like you, I'd still be selling Big Mac and teach ground school on weekends.
What's it to you if they want to spend their money and chance it?
Beside taking out your frustration on other users and doing a bit of Ryanair bashing while at it.
I'm just tired of bullies like you that knows best and force their views onto others.
If I had listened to people like you, I'd still be selling Big Mac and teach ground school on weekends.
What's it to you if they want to spend their money and chance it?