Is CTC the only way forward??
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I've just been pondering this "glass ceiling" problem myself, and don't see an obvious way through it. I have about 3000 hours total, including 2500 turbo-prop commercial operations.
On the occasions that I get replies from the various companies that I send CVs to, I am told that I don't meet their minimum requirements of X, Y and Z, one which is usually a minimum hours limit, which I usually exceed by a factor of 2. The one I sometimes don't meet is a minimum aircraft (not me) weight reuirement.
The only route seems to be a bit sideways: the likes of Netjets. I am led to believe that operators of big jets consider Lear Jets amd Cessna Citations as General Aviation types and not proper jets. So where would that leave me for the future? Well, a bit better off perhaps, but only in cash terms, perhaps not in career terms.
The pilot market is the classic free market economy, and at the moment it is an employers market and will be for a while longer. The crunch for the employers, such as Easy Jet, will come when volunteers for the £25k joining fee are not so forthcoming, and they then have to justify to those who have paid up why the new boys don't. In the mean time, the bottom line counts big time. There is no altruism in pilot employment. If Easy Jet, or any other subsciption training provider, can sign someone up, they will as long as the bottom line is met. British pilots will see no loyalty from British airlines.
On the occasions that I get replies from the various companies that I send CVs to, I am told that I don't meet their minimum requirements of X, Y and Z, one which is usually a minimum hours limit, which I usually exceed by a factor of 2. The one I sometimes don't meet is a minimum aircraft (not me) weight reuirement.
The only route seems to be a bit sideways: the likes of Netjets. I am led to believe that operators of big jets consider Lear Jets amd Cessna Citations as General Aviation types and not proper jets. So where would that leave me for the future? Well, a bit better off perhaps, but only in cash terms, perhaps not in career terms.
The pilot market is the classic free market economy, and at the moment it is an employers market and will be for a while longer. The crunch for the employers, such as Easy Jet, will come when volunteers for the £25k joining fee are not so forthcoming, and they then have to justify to those who have paid up why the new boys don't. In the mean time, the bottom line counts big time. There is no altruism in pilot employment. If Easy Jet, or any other subsciption training provider, can sign someone up, they will as long as the bottom line is met. British pilots will see no loyalty from British airlines.
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Hi,
I'm new to the forums as I've only just joined to find out more about CTC so please be gentle!
Are the majority of comments on this post about later courses that CTC offer, or do the posts cover all courses. I'm trying to get through selection to get onto the course that takes you from no (or little) previous flying experience up to ATPL, and then tries to get you a job with an airline. IF its only the later TR courses, what do people reckon to this one, and if the comments cover this course as well, why is it so bad? From the money aspect, as long as you spend seven years at the airline that you chose/chooses you, then there is no cost whatsoever, as it gets paid back to you. Not only that, but you do get a job, something that would worry me if I was going to a flying school and paying to put myself through. Any thoughts?
Finally, any of the guys that went on the selection day o the 14th, did you get through?
I'm new to the forums as I've only just joined to find out more about CTC so please be gentle!
Are the majority of comments on this post about later courses that CTC offer, or do the posts cover all courses. I'm trying to get through selection to get onto the course that takes you from no (or little) previous flying experience up to ATPL, and then tries to get you a job with an airline. IF its only the later TR courses, what do people reckon to this one, and if the comments cover this course as well, why is it so bad? From the money aspect, as long as you spend seven years at the airline that you chose/chooses you, then there is no cost whatsoever, as it gets paid back to you. Not only that, but you do get a job, something that would worry me if I was going to a flying school and paying to put myself through. Any thoughts?
Finally, any of the guys that went on the selection day o the 14th, did you get through?
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The old CTC scheme involved paying £6000 correct. However, the comment about working for 6 months for no pay is not entirely correct.
£6000 was required to be paid once accepted on the scheme, and allocated a sponsoring airline. The type rating, etc. and jet conversion, etc. was all free. The £6000 was a bond, which was paid back over the 6 months of gaining experience with an airline. This was to stop people working for a month for the airline that had paid for their type rating and then disappearing off to the first airline that offered them a permanent position. During the 6 months most pilots got something - everyone I knew got at least £500 per month plus standard allowances.
Yes, those people had to work for 6 months for not much money, but then they did get a free type rating, 6 months experience flying as an FO on a Boeing or Airbus and 99% got offered permanent jobs at the end of the 6 months.
The old CTC scheme involved paying £6000 correct. However, the comment about working for 6 months for no pay is not entirely correct.
£6000 was required to be paid once accepted on the scheme, and allocated a sponsoring airline. The type rating, etc. and jet conversion, etc. was all free. The £6000 was a bond, which was paid back over the 6 months of gaining experience with an airline. This was to stop people working for a month for the airline that had paid for their type rating and then disappearing off to the first airline that offered them a permanent position. During the 6 months most pilots got something - everyone I knew got at least £500 per month plus standard allowances.
Yes, those people had to work for 6 months for not much money, but then they did get a free type rating, 6 months experience flying as an FO on a Boeing or Airbus and 99% got offered permanent jobs at the end of the 6 months.
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the way forward for junior bird men.
It is simple market forces which determine the attitude of the employers. Supply v. Demand
I can recall circa 1987 when a certain chief pilot in northern England said that he would have employed a monkey if it walked through the door with a CPL/IR. No MCC in those days.
A very non CRM character had an interview and was offered employment within 3 minutes.
Start next Monday lad. Okay
Get the CRM bit right at the interview - it counts for a great deal.
Non-team players need not apply these days. They can spot you within the first few minutes.
Use your skills elsewhere - but not on the flight deck.
I can recall circa 1987 when a certain chief pilot in northern England said that he would have employed a monkey if it walked through the door with a CPL/IR. No MCC in those days.
A very non CRM character had an interview and was offered employment within 3 minutes.
Start next Monday lad. Okay
Get the CRM bit right at the interview - it counts for a great deal.
Non-team players need not apply these days. They can spot you within the first few minutes.
Use your skills elsewhere - but not on the flight deck.
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I know of a few experienced turboprop pilots who were taken on to the easyjet TRSS scheme, gave up their turboprop jobs and were then chopped from the CTC advanced handling course for what sounded like minor faults which could be easily corrected with a bit of training and left without a job.
Does anyone know what percent are chopped from this course ?
To view it cynically, they may take on more than they want in order to extort £3000 from pilots who they are not sure they want to employ anyway.
If you make it through the sim check etc as an expereinced T/P pilot, surely you ought to be given more of a chance to improve minor errors.
Does anyone know what percent are chopped from this course ?
To view it cynically, they may take on more than they want in order to extort £3000 from pilots who they are not sure they want to employ anyway.
If you make it through the sim check etc as an expereinced T/P pilot, surely you ought to be given more of a chance to improve minor errors.
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As I recall from when I went through it 5 years or so ago, anyone who was chopped got their money back.
The foundation course (2 weeks) required a £500 bond, the remaining £5500 being due on commencement of the type rating with the selected (and agreed) airline. All £6000 was repaid during the 6 month line flying, in addition to significant tax free allowances.
It is unfortunate that it does exclude those individuals who cannot secure the bond. I found it extremely difficult to source the money, and was lucky to find it in time. However, anyone who suggests that places on the scheme are "bought" are mistaken or bitter. There is a very high demand on CTC to provide trainees, but the temptation to drop standards to cash-in is resisted and the selection proccess is maintained as one of the most thorough screening proceedures in the country. It's also worth remebering that they do chop people who have passed the selection but, for whatever reason, are deemed not to have met the required standard.
My experience was extremely favourable, though a close friend who I considered very worthy of their scheme was turned away. Personal experiences are subjective, but one cannot say that the product is poor, that places are bought, or suggest that the successful cadets are somehow undeserving of their new jet positions.
The foundation course (2 weeks) required a £500 bond, the remaining £5500 being due on commencement of the type rating with the selected (and agreed) airline. All £6000 was repaid during the 6 month line flying, in addition to significant tax free allowances.
It is unfortunate that it does exclude those individuals who cannot secure the bond. I found it extremely difficult to source the money, and was lucky to find it in time. However, anyone who suggests that places on the scheme are "bought" are mistaken or bitter. There is a very high demand on CTC to provide trainees, but the temptation to drop standards to cash-in is resisted and the selection proccess is maintained as one of the most thorough screening proceedures in the country. It's also worth remebering that they do chop people who have passed the selection but, for whatever reason, are deemed not to have met the required standard.
My experience was extremely favourable, though a close friend who I considered very worthy of their scheme was turned away. Personal experiences are subjective, but one cannot say that the product is poor, that places are bought, or suggest that the successful cadets are somehow undeserving of their new jet positions.
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loyalty will lose...
Its the loyalty to companies from the workforce that will lose in the end. I personally know quite a few pilots who were in a certain hold pool for years only to be jumped by CTC trained crew. Most I feel will not stay with the company, eventually costing more in training costs.
As for the loyalty CTC crew will have I cannot comment but here is a maths question. If over six months all get you back is the 6k you paid, aren't you still losing half of a years salary? Effectively paying 20k for a type rating anyway???
MAX
As for the loyalty CTC crew will have I cannot comment but here is a maths question. If over six months all get you back is the 6k you paid, aren't you still losing half of a years salary? Effectively paying 20k for a type rating anyway???
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As I stated in the post immediately above, and other have previously stated, there is a significant ALLOWANCE ON TOP of the BOND REPAYMENTS.
My pay whilst on the scheme equated to a salary of about £24k, though there were no pension or duty pay bits and pieces. A free type rating with more than 146 pilot pay is not a bad deal.
As I stated in the post immediately above, and other have previously stated, there is a significant ALLOWANCE ON TOP of the BOND REPAYMENTS.
My pay whilst on the scheme equated to a salary of about £24k, though there were no pension or duty pay bits and pieces. A free type rating with more than 146 pilot pay is not a bad deal.
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This really is very enlightening as I am(was) very tempted to go with CTC.
I do hear horror stories but I am a 21 year old, fresh out of a 4 year Masters in Aeronautical Engineering, got my Class 1 medical and I am dying for a job as an airline pilot.
CTC appears to me as the only real route.
Therefore, I would love to hear any suggestions as to the other routes available. If there are any, they certainly don't publicise themselves very well because I don't know of them. Without the insight as to what's out there, I'm afraid more and more people will keep handing over their cash to CTC.
Thanks
Nick
I do hear horror stories but I am a 21 year old, fresh out of a 4 year Masters in Aeronautical Engineering, got my Class 1 medical and I am dying for a job as an airline pilot.
CTC appears to me as the only real route.
Therefore, I would love to hear any suggestions as to the other routes available. If there are any, they certainly don't publicise themselves very well because I don't know of them. Without the insight as to what's out there, I'm afraid more and more people will keep handing over their cash to CTC.
Thanks
Nick
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Is CTC the only way forward?
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CTC is not the only way forward. I suggest you look at 'skyblueaviation'. They offer straight forward B737-300 and ATR type ratings. Very professional training, cheaper than CTC and no bonding.
Here's their web site
www.skyblueaviation.com
Good luck. skyblueaviation
CTC is not the only way forward. I suggest you look at 'skyblueaviation'. They offer straight forward B737-300 and ATR type ratings. Very professional training, cheaper than CTC and no bonding.
Here's their web site
www.skyblueaviation.com
Good luck. skyblueaviation
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The CTC scheme is definately a good start to a career, if you are able to get on it. The selection process is very thorough, and to an outsider like me, they often seem to turm away people who appear to be good candidates. There is also the difficulty in raising the bond money.
Against this, you have an immediate jet job and a good training foundation. It also does no harm on a CV as it shows a level of ability to pass their selection, and a proven quality for completing their training.
There is another organisation called Global Solutions, which offers what I understand to be a similar scheme.
There are always those who knock these schemes, and those who have been on them. Naturally, these individuals have not been on such a scheme themselves, and so their views are one sided, and sometimes tainted with a little bitterness at the fact that some are able to get a career shortcut, while it took several or many years for them to achieve a jet position.
In the end, just do what serves your job prospects best: if CTC can take you straight out of ATPL trg and sit you in the rhs of a 73 or 320, without you having to spend upto 2 years unemployed, a couple more as an instructor or air taxi, and yet another 2 or 3 on turbo-props, so much the better.
Against this, you have an immediate jet job and a good training foundation. It also does no harm on a CV as it shows a level of ability to pass their selection, and a proven quality for completing their training.
There is another organisation called Global Solutions, which offers what I understand to be a similar scheme.
There are always those who knock these schemes, and those who have been on them. Naturally, these individuals have not been on such a scheme themselves, and so their views are one sided, and sometimes tainted with a little bitterness at the fact that some are able to get a career shortcut, while it took several or many years for them to achieve a jet position.
In the end, just do what serves your job prospects best: if CTC can take you straight out of ATPL trg and sit you in the rhs of a 73 or 320, without you having to spend upto 2 years unemployed, a couple more as an instructor or air taxi, and yet another 2 or 3 on turbo-props, so much the better.
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The financial merits / pitfalls of the CTC scheme will appear different to each individual depending on their own circumstances.
I offer you this view , yesterday from my "privelleged position" in the LHS of a 4 week old Orange B737-700 i watched a CTC cadet land a 56 ton aeroplane on a short runway at their max x-wind limit in poor vis . 4 months ago this person was un-employed and scratching around for that first turbopop position like we all did.
As far as i can see the CTC scheme is a great opportunity for any wanabee. From my employers perspective it turns out a consitently high standard of First Officer wihout the risk to the company of other methods of Cadetship.
i have spent a fair amount of time at CTC in the past , i accept i was being paid to be there however i would say this :-
Their selection process is extremely well thought out and thorough , it has to be , they are taking a financial risk and a risk with their reputation with major clients like EZY . The airline does not have the time or training capacity to suport a high failure rate during conversion or line training.
The selection process is hugely oversubscribed, that why they can pick the candidates they believe have the best chance of making the grade and fitting in with the client airlines.
Some of you may not like to hear this , not every wanabe is capable of meeting the challenge of going straight on to the B737 or similar as a first job , its a simple fact . All CTC ( and others) are tyring to do is make sure that the people they send to the airlines make the grade .
Beauport Man : dozens if not hundreds of your former colleagues have found a way "through the glass ceiling" over the last year or so , a lot but not all of them to EZY .
I think we all have to accept that the LoCOst boys have changed this industry for ever . In return for flying new equipment in an expanding profitable company , we have to accept that the traditional routes in to and through the industry have gone forever .THese days its about commercial savvy and selling yourself hard and getting on the winning team no matter the cost...... not everyones cup of tea addmittedly .
Good luck all
NF.
The financial merits / pitfalls of the CTC scheme will appear different to each individual depending on their own circumstances.
I offer you this view , yesterday from my "privelleged position" in the LHS of a 4 week old Orange B737-700 i watched a CTC cadet land a 56 ton aeroplane on a short runway at their max x-wind limit in poor vis . 4 months ago this person was un-employed and scratching around for that first turbopop position like we all did.
As far as i can see the CTC scheme is a great opportunity for any wanabee. From my employers perspective it turns out a consitently high standard of First Officer wihout the risk to the company of other methods of Cadetship.
i have spent a fair amount of time at CTC in the past , i accept i was being paid to be there however i would say this :-
Their selection process is extremely well thought out and thorough , it has to be , they are taking a financial risk and a risk with their reputation with major clients like EZY . The airline does not have the time or training capacity to suport a high failure rate during conversion or line training.
The selection process is hugely oversubscribed, that why they can pick the candidates they believe have the best chance of making the grade and fitting in with the client airlines.
Some of you may not like to hear this , not every wanabe is capable of meeting the challenge of going straight on to the B737 or similar as a first job , its a simple fact . All CTC ( and others) are tyring to do is make sure that the people they send to the airlines make the grade .
Beauport Man : dozens if not hundreds of your former colleagues have found a way "through the glass ceiling" over the last year or so , a lot but not all of them to EZY .
I think we all have to accept that the LoCOst boys have changed this industry for ever . In return for flying new equipment in an expanding profitable company , we have to accept that the traditional routes in to and through the industry have gone forever .THese days its about commercial savvy and selling yourself hard and getting on the winning team no matter the cost...... not everyones cup of tea addmittedly .
Good luck all
NF.
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I think you maybe talking about a different scheme.
Guys here are refering to the CTC Type Rating scheme.
I assume since you have been at Uni for 4 years you don't have an ATPL.
The other scheme that CTC runs is the Cadet Pilot Sponsorship from Zero hours to ATPL to Type Rating to a JOB.
Hope this helps
Jonathan
I think you maybe talking about a different scheme.
Guys here are refering to the CTC Type Rating scheme.
I assume since you have been at Uni for 4 years you don't have an ATPL.
The other scheme that CTC runs is the Cadet Pilot Sponsorship from Zero hours to ATPL to Type Rating to a JOB.
Hope this helps
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Thank you so much for the replies.
I was talking about the cadet sponsorship scheme but its all handy all the same.
The way I look at the cost of it is just part of the process. I've just forked out over 20k for my degree, us younguns are just getting us to debt as a way of moving forward.
I'm not too bothered about the cost of CTC, I'm more concerned that you get your moneys worth and they don't try and stitch you over.
If 84K is what it takes to put me in the cockpit, so be it.
Cheers guys
Nick
I was talking about the cadet sponsorship scheme but its all handy all the same.
The way I look at the cost of it is just part of the process. I've just forked out over 20k for my degree, us younguns are just getting us to debt as a way of moving forward.
I'm not too bothered about the cost of CTC, I'm more concerned that you get your moneys worth and they don't try and stitch you over.
If 84K is what it takes to put me in the cockpit, so be it.
Cheers guys
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I have had a fair bit of contact with CTC over the years and as far as I can tell they provide very high quality training, which is why airlines like their students. They appear a very well run organisation and the guys in charge are fair minded and honest folk.
Whilst there are certainly cheaper routes into aviation there are probably none better and you are fairly certain of finding work after attending a CTC course, which may not be true of all other routes as friends of mine can testify. I would say weather you are looking for a type rating or zero to hero course CTC are well worth considering.
If I were starting over again it would be my chosen route.
Whilst there are certainly cheaper routes into aviation there are probably none better and you are fairly certain of finding work after attending a CTC course, which may not be true of all other routes as friends of mine can testify. I would say weather you are looking for a type rating or zero to hero course CTC are well worth considering.
If I were starting over again it would be my chosen route.
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Just quite happily reading this thread when I come across the most amazing post, by "skid" on page 3 of this thread were he states:
Now I have seen a number of stupid posts on prune, but this takes the biscuit, I cannot possibly describe how stupid it is, I dont have the patience, but a few points:
Firstly, being an airline pilot is a lot more than a computer operators job. What if the computer breaks at 30,000ft, what if you have a mechanical failure? What about the responsibilty?
Does a computer operator have to think about these problems/issues?
As for the BA selection procedure weeding out overly intelligent candidates - that is I swear the most ridiculous thing I have ever read in my life. Not to mention the most patronising.
What about throwing money at the problem? - I suppose personality, teamworking and communication skills aren't required?
Skid you are officially a geek
with no clue.
first, you don't need to be particularly bright or talented to become an airline pilot. These days it is little more than a higher level computer operators job
I was once told that the BA selection procedure weeded out overly intelligent candidates as their boredom threshold would be too low to spend years in the job.
to qualify as an airline pilot all you have to do is keep throwing money at the problem and you'll end up with all the right qualifications and ratings to get the job
Firstly, being an airline pilot is a lot more than a computer operators job. What if the computer breaks at 30,000ft, what if you have a mechanical failure? What about the responsibilty?
Does a computer operator have to think about these problems/issues?
As for the BA selection procedure weeding out overly intelligent candidates - that is I swear the most ridiculous thing I have ever read in my life. Not to mention the most patronising.
What about throwing money at the problem? - I suppose personality, teamworking and communication skills aren't required?
Skid you are officially a geek
with no clue.
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Hi
I have been reading all of your replies regarding CTC and training.
I am 24 with my JAR PPL and am studying with Bristol ground school via remote ATPL ground study course.
Also while doing this I have been building my hours up here in the U.K on PA28R's and PFA aircraft.
I did go to Flordia in the U.S but didnt do too much as the flying school didnt seem that great.
Every time I see a sponsorship scheme I apply, however I feel I am better off going through the modular route and finishing my CPL, ME and IR at Bournemoth Commercial and perhaps save cash.
Another good reason is that I feel I am not under at the moment any financial pressures while studying the ground school and the ability to read everything at a slower pace but really get a good grounding for the future.
The two schemes that I have applied for were FLYBE which I didnt like and was rejected. The second was CTC which I have been invited to a selection day interview and I am might consider popping along.
Not really having a total commerical awareness of the aviation industry, it sounds like the only winners in terms of making profits are those companies that supply the large commercial carriers such as BA etc.
I have been reading all of your replies regarding CTC and training.
I am 24 with my JAR PPL and am studying with Bristol ground school via remote ATPL ground study course.
Also while doing this I have been building my hours up here in the U.K on PA28R's and PFA aircraft.
I did go to Flordia in the U.S but didnt do too much as the flying school didnt seem that great.
Every time I see a sponsorship scheme I apply, however I feel I am better off going through the modular route and finishing my CPL, ME and IR at Bournemoth Commercial and perhaps save cash.
Another good reason is that I feel I am not under at the moment any financial pressures while studying the ground school and the ability to read everything at a slower pace but really get a good grounding for the future.
The two schemes that I have applied for were FLYBE which I didnt like and was rejected. The second was CTC which I have been invited to a selection day interview and I am might consider popping along.
Not really having a total commerical awareness of the aviation industry, it sounds like the only winners in terms of making profits are those companies that supply the large commercial carriers such as BA etc.
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In this forum, many negative CTC comments have been made over the recent weeks. CTC offer a once in a life time opportunity for wannabes to fulfil their ambitions of becoming airline pilots through the cadet scheme.
I fail to see the issues with the financial and job placement arrangements for cadets. How many schools could offer you 0 hours to a right hand seat jet job, including type rating, accommodation, flights, training equipment etc for the cost of a £60000 bond? This is a product of modern economics. No airline, major or otherwise, could afford to pay for a fully sponsored cadet scheme. The financial risks and implications are just too great for them at present.
I for one, feel very fortunate to have been selected by CTC, and find them to be nothing other than totally professional. I have never felt that they are only after me to make money (as some have suggested in other threads).
CTC have never failed to place any of their trained pilots, and have a very thorough training system. The airline get a very well trained pilot via a low risk route, CTC make a bit of profit, and the cadet gets the job they have always wanted. A problem – I think not!
I do feel that some should be a little less hasty in making certain comments about an organisation they have no or little experience of. And I would highly recommend CTC as a route in to aviation for any wannabe.
…rant over!
I fail to see the issues with the financial and job placement arrangements for cadets. How many schools could offer you 0 hours to a right hand seat jet job, including type rating, accommodation, flights, training equipment etc for the cost of a £60000 bond? This is a product of modern economics. No airline, major or otherwise, could afford to pay for a fully sponsored cadet scheme. The financial risks and implications are just too great for them at present.
I for one, feel very fortunate to have been selected by CTC, and find them to be nothing other than totally professional. I have never felt that they are only after me to make money (as some have suggested in other threads).
CTC have never failed to place any of their trained pilots, and have a very thorough training system. The airline get a very well trained pilot via a low risk route, CTC make a bit of profit, and the cadet gets the job they have always wanted. A problem – I think not!
I do feel that some should be a little less hasty in making certain comments about an organisation they have no or little experience of. And I would highly recommend CTC as a route in to aviation for any wannabe.
…rant over!
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Timeout - w.r.t. How many schools can offer you a 0 to RHS jet job for £60,000 ?
Err, Stapleford Flight Centre, in association with Astraeus, are offering this for £52,000 ( see: http://www.flysfc.com/courses/astraeus.htm ) and of which, as I understand it, some people are already well into their training on said same course.
W.r.t. 'I have never felt that they are only after me to make money' - well trust me when I say that CTC made plenty of money from you; which is, after all, why they are in business !
Indeed one can be certain that all those TRI’s & TRE’s whom CTC employ are not giving their time for free and / or working through some sense of altruism for your benign benefit
.... oh no, rest assured that they’re in it for the money !
That said, don't get me wrong, wherein I know a good many of the folks who work at CTC - and some good blokes they are too - but it is a business first and foremost.
Err, Stapleford Flight Centre, in association with Astraeus, are offering this for £52,000 ( see: http://www.flysfc.com/courses/astraeus.htm ) and of which, as I understand it, some people are already well into their training on said same course.
W.r.t. 'I have never felt that they are only after me to make money' - well trust me when I say that CTC made plenty of money from you; which is, after all, why they are in business !
Indeed one can be certain that all those TRI’s & TRE’s whom CTC employ are not giving their time for free and / or working through some sense of altruism for your benign benefit
.... oh no, rest assured that they’re in it for the money !That said, don't get me wrong, wherein I know a good many of the folks who work at CTC - and some good blokes they are too - but it is a business first and foremost.
I have read this with interest. I fail to see, from an overall perspective, any advantage that the ctc scheme is offering us, the pilots. The scheme does not create any jobs, it merely takes money from individualy who can afford it. If company x has a requirement to recruit 20 F/Os they still have to recruit for these positions. The ctc scheme seems to allow them to do it on the cheap for those that can afford to pay their fees. If ctc were not there to fleece us, then those 20 positions would still be there to be filled.