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bafanguy 29th Mar 2017 10:55

Recent article. People are hired and then just no-show training ?:

"Aircargoeye.com has learned that some potential first officers – scheduled to undertake the airline’s training ahead of being employed – simply failed to turn up for the course."

https://aircargoeye.com/cargolux-fly...lots-shortage/

final06 30th Mar 2017 20:00


Originally Posted by bafanguy (Post 9722690)
Recent article. People are hired and then just no-show training?:

https://aircargoeye.com/cargolux-fly...lots-shortage/

Correct.

The article is spot on.

Just had GS-day and there were only 2 new F/Os scheduled for a type rating course A.
Normally it is 6.

The news has spread around that CLX management does not show ANY respect towards their pilots.

Why should someone sacrifice his entire private life, flying around the world in the shortest legally possible time, illegal back-to-back rostering, just fly, sleep, eat, sometimes not even having time for the gym, for 3000 € per month?

Why should someone fly longhaul for CLX without a chance to see the world anymore?

:ugh::ugh::ugh:

bafanguy 30th Mar 2017 23:31


Originally Posted by final06 (Post 9724450)
Correct.


The news has spread around that CLX management does not show ANY respect towards their pilots.

Why should someone sacrifice his entire private life, flying around the world in the shortest legally possible time, illegal back-to-back rostering, just fly, sleep, eat, sometimes not even having time for the gym, for 3000 € per month?

"Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."


Frederick Douglass

Douglass was addressing grander issues than the travails of airline pilots but the principle is exactly the same: if you'll agree to take a beating, all you can reasonably expect is further beatings. And you'll surely get them.

16down2togo 30th Mar 2017 23:45

Just had the long IAH layover twice in the last 2 months, once with new guys who wanted to see the world and it was a blast and once with older guys who didn't show up once because they stayed in LUX time.
Don't try to fight a war against people which are joining now about the fight you have lost against management. The reasons for joining CV might be different from when you did it and certainly it's not these persons fault what conditions are there now but rather ours.!
since we desperately need new colleagues I'd appreciate any motivated new hire over an overly frustrated old one which still doesn't have the gut to leave a situation he sees as unbearable, which doesn't mean I do support it, but it's the status quo we have to fight and it doesn't help to sit there and quote you did it all right and every body else does it wrong.
In the history of CV there have been numerous different contracts which where always leveled at one point. Was it only mr you which joined at the right point and were you always in the front line fighting for it???
I'd like to see that you are one of the guys which actively fight in the union, otherwise, what are you complaining about?
I will surely not join you in the bashing of young colleagues which do join for a reason that you can't judge.
Again this is not to support what is going on in the company, but to blame it to the new hires which do take an opportunity, is the wrong approach.
It is the current situation we do have to fight for all our well being, not the new members which are certainly not responsible for it.
Frustration will not bring you any further my friend, it might just impact your professional judgement.

16down2togo 31st Mar 2017 00:01

And sorry to pick on your nick,
final 06 always was, and will be a pain in the a.. until they finally level the hill!
As much as I enjoy it with 10.000+ hrs there for a change!!!

final06 31st Mar 2017 07:44

@16down

Nice that seniority and companymindedness works for your.

However the forum is eager to hear your explanation why selected candidates don't show up for the type rating with no notice at all.

And why entry requirements are ridiculously low in these days.

And why the B-scalers tend to dine out in cheap hamburger eateries.

KDC10 31st Mar 2017 13:54

@16down, you're spot on. I totally agree. Some older colleagues lost complete reality.

@final06, there's always time to workout when you're on the road. Total nonsense. It's all about priorities.

A happy and fit pilot.

dudubrdx 31st Mar 2017 22:32

I've just received the fourth or fifth email asking me to chose a selection date for this psychometric testing in LUX.
So let me get this right, they want me to travel over there on my days OFF to take their mollymack whatever, to then have a shot at the interviews later on?
I wonder why people are not showing up for ground course!

Aeroshizzle 1st Apr 2017 10:09


Originally Posted by dudubrdx (Post 9725779)
So let me get this right, they want me to travel over there on my days OFF to take their mollymack whatever, to then have a shot at the interviews later on?

Is it the first time you applied for any flying job? I asked for annual leave to do the entire process.
I want to fly for CargoLux, so isn't it fair that I have to go to their headquarters and meet them? The whole aviation recruitment world is to jump through hoops. BA, Easyjet, lufthansa, Norwegian . online tests/selection day, group assessment, interview, sim. Cargolux is no different.

dudubrdx 1st Apr 2017 14:36

Does that include the interviews or did you have to come back for them on a later date?

Aeroshizzle 2nd Apr 2017 11:17


Originally Posted by dudubrdx (Post 9726376)
Does that include the interviews or did you have to come back for them on a later date?

Needed a total of 4 days
I came 1 day for the MollyMawk. Then once passed they gave me about 7 options to come again . for a block of 3 days.
Group assessment, interview, sim. Once passed, we have to do medical, which I did after the sim, with company doctor.
After the all clear, they gave me 3 start dates and to work around my notice period.

Smooth recruitment, helpful and accommodating

hawkeye red 2nd Apr 2017 13:21

Aeroshizzle....just out of curiosity, what is your aviation history, in terms of age, rating and hours ?

AERO75 2nd Apr 2017 14:28

good evening,

apllied a few weeks ago, and got an invitation. Actually I am not desperate, but would be more than happy to move closer home. I would greatly appreciate any infos concerning roster (days off), also as pm.

Thanks, happy landings.

final06 2nd Apr 2017 17:13


Originally Posted by bafanguy (Post 9724685)
Douglass was addressing grander issues than the travails of airline pilots but the principle is exactly the same: if you'll agree to take a beating, all you can reasonably expect is further beatings. And you'll surely get them.

Some call it "race to the bottom".


For all new joiners (who are most welcome and desperately needed by the way :)) a little extract from our 2015-2018 Collective Work Agreement:

1.3.
The Parties recognize that the Company is operating in a cyclical and seasonal industry and that its results have recently been affected by an increasing difficult competitive environment as well as decreasing yields. Additionally, during the CWA period, the Company will face significant financial obligations related to committed investments necessary for the future development of the Company (such as the acquisition of new aircraft). If circumstances should warrant, the Parties agree to negotiate in good faith in view of adapting the CWA provisions to the change in circumstances. Any such review could include the working conditions and remuneration package foreseen hereafter.


May be you are also interested to know that CLX has some massive financial obligations (not only) regarding CV China coming up.

How about a scenario where Cargolux cannot pay in cash, but will transfer some aircraft to CV China?

The implication would be redundancies in LUX who will get laid off in a social plan, however will be offered a job in China next day.
Conditions "slightly" worse :}

16down2togo 4th Apr 2017 22:12

final06
You seem to be one of those people who just love to listen to themselves.
Otherwise you would have read my comment instead of dropping as stupid a comment. Seniority and pink glasses don't work, because my schedule is as f...ed up as yours and if you had any adult insight you'd have recognized that in the first place.
I'm totally on you when it comes to why people turn down the opportunity but I'm fighting you on bashing young colleagues who do it. It's not their fault, rather ours, but you will probably never be in a position to understand that because you're to sorry about yourself while you are selling all your off days.
Sleep well and I do hope you will always find somebody responsible but yourself for your misery.
All the best....

hawkeye red 5th Apr 2017 11:57

@aeroshizzle...

Nothing personal...but wasn't the entry requirement 3000 hours..??

AERO75 5th Apr 2017 14:26

hello guys,

any chance to get a small insight into roster (off days) at cargolux.

highly appreciated

hawkeye red 7th Apr 2017 15:25

Well...I'm just one of the guys having to guide you and others with very limited experience around the world....

buzzc152 9th Apr 2017 07:16

Hi

Could someone please tell me the approximate total take home pay for a new FO (salary plus flight pay/per Diems etc).

fda747 9th Apr 2017 07:39

About the same I'm paying my cleaning lady !


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