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emergency descent 10th Oct 2011 16:42

In more then 5 years in company they have only moved my 3 days once after they have been published. Once published and linked to your 6 days especially if they are at the end of the 6 days they will not touch them. It happens from time to time that you will fly into one or two of the 3 off days. If that happens they have to give it back to you in the next roster and they will automatically become untouchable. Unless otherwise requested they will be linked to your 6 days. You also have the option to sell these days. For a first officer it would be no less then eur 400 net per day + eur 100 net for as expenses. I only once flew into my 6 days when I was stuck because of the volcano in iceland. you can either sell them or get two for one back as untouchable days in the next roster. The average trip length is about 6 days I would guess. If you return to LUX you will have your rest time, possibly one or more blank days on which I would not count and then sent out again. Rest time limitations in Cargolux are more restrictive then according JAR-OPS. Send me you e-mail as a private msg. and I will see if I can send you a low seniority roster. I am positive the hiring pilots will continue in the near future. If you are still in your twenties or low thirties with about 2,5 k hours on jet or more you have good chances. Preferably guys from Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands are being hired. They donīt like guys that live to far away from Luxembourg but still their are plenty Austrians and Swiss.

fly744 10th Oct 2011 19:46

Capt&Fos salaries
What are the average montly salaries for Capt/FOs ?

emergency descent 10th Oct 2011 21:19

Cargolux jobs, payscales and entry requirements.

Without selling any off-days I would say EUR 4,5k salary net + EUR 1,1k net (EUR 4 "per diem" per hour from starting duty in LUX until check out in LUX) for a non married low seniority f/o.
Married the net salary would be about EUR 702 net more (EUR 5,2k net)
If below 600 hrs on 747 aircraft (usually the first year) it will be about EUR 700 net less.

For a single low seniority captain it would be around EUR 7,5 - 8 k salary net + EUR 1,2 k net (EUR 4,5 per hour from check in LUX until check out LUX)

Married the net salary for a captain would be about EUR 745 more.

13 salaries (with a bit of luck 14 or more because of profit sharing) are payed per year.

A f/o after thirty years in company would earn almost exactly double the money then on in his second year (with more then 600 hrs on 747) or as much as a captain in his 7īth year.

A captain after thirty years would earn 53% more then a captain in his first year. This however is in far theoretical, as a f/o who would receive his upgrade after eg. 10 years would start in the same payscale as a captain who is since 10 years in the captains payscale.

To make things easy, your income would increase by more or less 58% after you upgrade.

On top all salaries in Luxembourg are index based, thus by law they have to be increased by 2,5% each time the inflation rises by 2,5 %.
The next increase will be in October 2011.
For 2012 they plan a 5 % increase in 2 steps (one in April, one in September)

As Cargolux is always desperately short of pilots, it is up to you if you want to sell some of your precious off-days.

It is possible to double your monthly income if you donīt care about your private life.

Everyone pilot you ask will tell you how much he is against the practice of selling off-days and how bad he thinks of his colleagues who do it from time to time.
As I recently spoke with 2 of the guys from our Crew Control, I found out, that with very few exceptions the majority of all pilots sells some days from time to time.

net = take-home pay.

I guess these facts in combination with the days off explain why hardly anyone resigns from Cargolux. The net income and the off days beat the conditions of most major carriers + you donīt have to "suffer" in the desert.

Tank2Engine 11th Oct 2011 12:55

I had a good laugh on this pilotjobsnetwork website:

actual plans say that 8*747-400 stay and 13*747-8 come on top. So strong expansion planned.
"Actual plans?" Where is this written in any CV document, email or annual report? :hmm:

ray cosmic 11th Oct 2011 13:22

T2E: In defense of the poster on PPJN, the rumors were pretty strong on the subject. On top of this we will not get any info other than the pressreleases, since every time something internally was sent around by the Chief Pilot's office he was requested right away a meeting with the social partners!
So much for internal speculation.. Let's not give up hope, though. :)

Tank2Engine 11th Oct 2011 14:03

Sure Ray, I have no problem with a good rumor or some optimistic wishful thinking, and I understand that with the very limited information and press releases given out by the company, sometimes some tiny rumor starts a life of it's own. That's what PPRuNe, the Britannia Pub and those loooooong PVG-LUX flights are for. ;)

The danger however is that this PPJN website is pretending to present facts which future CV employees are going to use in order to base a very important career decision on. Keeping 8 744's and "strong expansion is planned" to the best of my knowledge never were facts or "actual plans" in the first place, and anyone using this information to join CV and perhaps gamble on a quick upgrade on a 747 could be in for a nasty surprise.

It's great to be optimistic, but to whoever who posted that nonsense on PPJN on the 18th of February I would like to say: let's make a clear distinction between facts, official plans, rumors and wishful thinking! :=

acmi48 12th Oct 2011 12:28

sloopy market at the moment, no " next news " until the dash late is rolling

emergency descent 13th Oct 2011 04:47

the 747-8 is finally on the way to luxembourg.
they have come to an agreement with boeing.

part time is possible but limited and subject to seniority. do not count on it. cargolux is usually short on pilots.

and as my personal opinion to those who are concerned if an expansion will take place or not:
i had no idea at all how long it would take me to upgrade until i was already hired. believe it or not.
as a f/o in cargolux you have a higher salary and more days off (not to forget other benefits) than most of you guys will ever have no matter if on the right or already on the left seat.
if you would belong to the remaining few percent, you would fly for a major carrier and most likely have no interest in following up this tread.
i gave up my command for more money and more days off. even after years i do not regret it for one minute. i will take gladly everything that comes on top. but even if this would never happen, i already won...

also it is unbelievable for me about which minor things some of you guys worry.

by the way, i do not have any doubts that an expansion will take place.

however, cargolux is very conservative. as this protects me as well as i have an other 30 years of work ahead, i can for sure live with it.

emergency descent 13th Oct 2011 16:14

the long rotations are in general the ones that are more requested as they are the ones that have the nice long layovers of up to 7 days in some rare cases. there are quite a few guys living outside of europe, in skandinavia or on greek islands... that try to build their rosters in a way that they only have to commute once a month to luxembourg and not having to spend too much time in a hotel or apartment in luxembourg.
even with low seniority you have a good chance of getting your off days more or less when you want them.
if you make this your primary request, ask for 7 times 5 days and 1 time 7 days vacation per year (in 8 different rosters), if you donīt bid for any specific trips... you can prevent them most of the time from sending you out on long trips.

1975 24th Oct 2011 14:25

Hello there.

Does anyone have any idea when the next invites for the tests in Saarlouis will be handed out from Interpersonal? Are Cargolux only hiring type rated pilots now?

A guy I know at the company told me that the number 70 for new F/Oīs for next year is flying around, is that possible, do they have the capability to train so many in a year? And also that the min. requirements have been lowered?? Is that true?

Any info would be great :)

emergency descent 24th Oct 2011 16:30

Why should should someone lower the min. requirements if he receives more applications then he can possibly handle? Nonsense.
50 was the highest number I heard so far, but latest rumors are around 25 + quite a few upgrades.

Sansha 24th Oct 2011 19:04

Just be patient, the selection process take a while :-)

ray cosmic 25th Oct 2011 08:40

I do not know if the requirements of Interpersonal changed, but it comes down to this:
There are 2 types of requirements:
* the minimum requirements to apply via Interpersonal.
* the minimum requirements to start with Cargolux.
Where the second is on a 1 to 1 basis if for example LG pilots join etc.
They are not seeking Supermen with typerating and many thousands of hours, The Company appears to select more on the principles:
* if the candidate will be nice to work with,
* reliable and
* -surprise, surprise- willing to or already living nearby.

That is why they **love** Luxair pilots.

80sghost 18th Nov 2011 11:04

Topic gone quite..... Any news about future recruitment?
How many pilots waiting in the holdpool?
Did they decide if they are going to expand and how many new first officer they will need for next year?

final06 18th Nov 2011 13:43

rumours mention 60-70 new F/Os for 2012.

coltrane 19th Nov 2011 12:19


I figure that's 60-70 minus the 40 odd guys already in the holding pool right?

final06 19th Nov 2011 15:28

Sorry, I have no clue how big the holding pool is.
In former times it was quite easy to get this kind of information.
Nowadays (IP) it is a bit different.

the_matrix 21st Nov 2011 18:13

Wow 40 guys in the hold pool! Coltrane is it a reliable info or supposition?

Has someone heard of a course date for 2012?


ray cosmic 21st Nov 2011 18:46

Latest info is no new FO's will be hired for 2012.. :sad:

80sghost 22nd Nov 2011 09:07

Why that? expansion cancelled?:(:(

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