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I believe you're right. PACW is "Polar"; there is no "Polar Air Cargo" below it.
DHL and AAWH both own pieces of PACW.
AAI is wholly owned by AAWH.
AABO is wholly owned by AAI.
DHL and AAWH both own pieces of PACW.
AAI is wholly owned by AAWH.
AABO is wholly owned by AAI.
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Then this must be the true sight picture ... simple name change with "Worldwide" added, and no change in structure (except considering DHL's investment).
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Just put DHL on the same line with AAWH, with its 49% line pointed at PACW, and you have a more complete picture. Of course, then you might get into Astar, Airborne, etc, and it would get REALLY messy...
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Ta Da!
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NO. AABO part never did and the RLA wouldn't allow them to be incorporated within our Atlas ALPA group. Exactly why Atlas management created it offshore prior to an Atlas ALPA contract. There are 50-60 replacement pilots remaining at this time at AABO. I believe they reached an all time high of around 180-200 non-union replacement pilots while concurrently furloughing the same amount of ALPA Atlas guys prior to our contract.
Also, about 150 at Atlas were furloughed along the same time line as Atlas management moved Atlas A/C and flying to Polar. All while Polar hired the same number off the street when we first unionized and in the years of negotiations for our first contract. We had no protections under title 6 "status quo" of the RLA as Polar enjoyed after their being acquired by Atlas. They were already unionize and had a contract at that time which entitled them certain protections that Atlas crewmembers did not have available to them under the RLA (Railway Labor Act). Resulting in those "lorenzo" tactics against Atlas crews.
How quickly history is forgotten. Then again, who cares when you are reaping the benefits of others problems.
Also, about 150 at Atlas were furloughed along the same time line as Atlas management moved Atlas A/C and flying to Polar. All while Polar hired the same number off the street when we first unionized and in the years of negotiations for our first contract. We had no protections under title 6 "status quo" of the RLA as Polar enjoyed after their being acquired by Atlas. They were already unionize and had a contract at that time which entitled them certain protections that Atlas crewmembers did not have available to them under the RLA (Railway Labor Act). Resulting in those "lorenzo" tactics against Atlas crews.
How quickly history is forgotten. Then again, who cares when you are reaping the benefits of others problems.
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How quickly history is forgotten. Then again, who cares when you are reaping the benefits of others problems.
I wish to emphasize that my finding on the merits of this case was that Atlas’ flying of Polar’s business was the direct cause of all the furloughs and downgrades at issue here.
Lawrence T. Holden, Jr.
Impartial Chairman
I wish to emphasize that my finding on the merits of this case was that Atlas’ flying of Polar’s business was the direct cause of all the furloughs and downgrades at issue here.
Lawrence T. Holden, Jr.
Impartial Chairman
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Sorry to hear that.
I was having so much fun I thought I'd post some more ( I've edited out some excess text but if Nitty asks - I'll post the whole thing again unedited):
Opinion Concerning Remedy
I wish to emphasize that my finding on the merits of this case was that Atlas’ flying of Polar’s business was the direct cause of all the furloughs and downgrades at issue here
“… the record did show that there was a decline in 2006 of AMC and ACMI flying. Both types of flying ... are flying principally done by Atlas, not by Polar; yet, it was Polar rather than Atlas that remarkably suffered the furloughs and reductions in status.” .. the decline in Polar flying was not found to be for economic reasons
Polar’s financial data revealed that the operating revenues for scheduled service increased in 2006 over 2005 for the time period shown ...the operating revenues for ACMI service declined in the same time period ..despite th(is) trend .. Atlas’ flying for Polar in the same time period spiked sharply upward .. resulting in furloughs and downgrades at Polar
In sum, then, I conclude that there is a direct causal relationship between Atlas’ flying of Polar’s business under the Alliance Agreement and the Polar furloughs and reductions in status
I was having so much fun I thought I'd post some more ( I've edited out some excess text but if Nitty asks - I'll post the whole thing again unedited):
Opinion Concerning Remedy
I wish to emphasize that my finding on the merits of this case was that Atlas’ flying of Polar’s business was the direct cause of all the furloughs and downgrades at issue here
“… the record did show that there was a decline in 2006 of AMC and ACMI flying. Both types of flying ... are flying principally done by Atlas, not by Polar; yet, it was Polar rather than Atlas that remarkably suffered the furloughs and reductions in status.” .. the decline in Polar flying was not found to be for economic reasons
Polar’s financial data revealed that the operating revenues for scheduled service increased in 2006 over 2005 for the time period shown ...the operating revenues for ACMI service declined in the same time period ..despite th(is) trend .. Atlas’ flying for Polar in the same time period spiked sharply upward .. resulting in furloughs and downgrades at Polar
In sum, then, I conclude that there is a direct causal relationship between Atlas’ flying of Polar’s business under the Alliance Agreement and the Polar furloughs and reductions in status
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Surely you understand that arbitrators' findings are bogus unless they go in favor of the Atlas pilots.... 
If you are looking for sympathy, your looking in the wrong place.
It's like having sympathy for the pet cat that choked to death on the pet bird.
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Originally Posted by Vote Teamsters
PDF link to NMB Dispute Letter
Atlas Worldwide Crewmembers,
The NMB has just announced that we have sufficient authorization cards; thus the NMB is holding an election to resolve the dispute as to which organization shall represent the crewmembers of Atlas Worldwide Holdings. The Company now has five days to supply everyone's address on labels so that the balloting materials can be mailed out. The voting will be by internet and telephone. We have requested that the NMB election period remain open for 30 days in order to allow everyone a chance to vote. It is very important that everyone vote so that each crewmember is counted, so that every voice is heard in favor of representation.
ALPA is desperate to keep its dues base. You can expect to hear them attack the Teamsters and beg for another chance. Again, this election is about dedicated representation. ALPA has neither the structure nor the history to provide representation for small carriers. The Teamsters do.
Attached is the NMB finding.
ALPA cannot be fixed. I am ready to remove ALPA by
Voting for Teamsters
I invite you to join me and form a true trade union. Dave Allen, Chairman
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Furlough, how much do you think we will get out of this? I hope we hurt them bad. And when the cards come for representation, ALPA, period!!
And you do know that this ruling opens a whole new chapter in the last arbitrtion ruling when the arbitor deferred the question of Atlas flying Polar to this ruling? This ought to be interesting to say the least.
And you do know that this ruling opens a whole new chapter in the last arbitrtion ruling when the arbitor deferred the question of Atlas flying Polar to this ruling? This ought to be interesting to say the least.
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"Furlough, how much do you think we will get out of this? I hope we hurt them bad. And when the cards come for representation, ALPA, period!!
And you do know that this ruling opens a whole new chapter in the last arbitrtion (sp) ruling when the arbitor(sp) deferred the question of Atlas flying Polar to this ruling? This ought to be interesting to say the least".
Layinlow, Please explain to me how your 120 + or - are going to have that much impact on the Atlas 700 +. The math does not work out from the way I look at it. But then again most of what you usually post doesn't either!
And you do know that this ruling opens a whole new chapter in the last arbitrtion (sp) ruling when the arbitor(sp) deferred the question of Atlas flying Polar to this ruling? This ought to be interesting to say the least".
Layinlow, Please explain to me how your 120 + or - are going to have that much impact on the Atlas 700 +. The math does not work out from the way I look at it. But then again most of what you usually post doesn't either!
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Layinlow is a Polar FE who took a leave several years ago to work for FedEx. He just can't seem to let go and I really think he enjoys stirring the pot. I suggest you ignore him. He has a better job than most of us. One has to wonder about the mental health of someone who keeps coming back to this. Perhaps we should just call him Fonzy.
Layinlow is a Polar FE who took a leave several years ago to work for FedEx. He just can't seem to let go and I really think he enjoys stirring the pot. I suggest you ignore him. He has a better job than most of us. One has to wonder about the mental health of someone who keeps coming back to this. Perhaps we should just call him Fonzy.
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NMB SETS REPRESENTATION ELECTION
FOR ATLAS, POLAR FLIGHT CREWMEMBERS
FOR ATLAS, POLAR FLIGHT CREWMEMBERS
National Mediation Board Schedules Voting For Nov. 19 Through Dec. 19
(Washington, D.C.) – The National Mediation Board (NMB) today authorized an election at
Atlas Air, Inc. and Polar Air Cargo Worldwide, with voting set for November 19 through
December 19, 2008, Teamsters General President Jim Hoffa announced today.
“We are looking forward to welcoming the Atlas and Polar flight crewmembers to the
Teamsters soon,” Hoffa said. “After the flight crewmembers vote to join the Teamsters, we will
negotiate a strong contract that will address their concerns and protect their interests. The
Teamsters are a strong aviation union that will also provide accountable representation. The
flight crewmembers will have an independent local union backed by the 1.4 million member
Teamsters with the necessary resources to help them win a more secure future.”
The Atlas and Polar crewmembers are currently represented by an association, the Air Line
Pilots Association (ALPA), but the association does not have the focus, strength and cargo
experience of the Teamsters to represent their interests. The Teamsters will also allow the
crewmembers more decision-making power through their Teamster local union for the issues
that matter most to them.
A total of nearly 900 Atlas and Polar flight crewmembers are eligible to join the Teamsters.
Founded in 1903, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters represents 1.4 million
hardworking men and women in the United States, Canada and Puerto Rico.Atlas Air, Inc. and Polar Air Cargo Worldwide, with voting set for November 19 through
December 19, 2008, Teamsters General President Jim Hoffa announced today.
“We are looking forward to welcoming the Atlas and Polar flight crewmembers to the
Teamsters soon,” Hoffa said. “After the flight crewmembers vote to join the Teamsters, we will
negotiate a strong contract that will address their concerns and protect their interests. The
Teamsters are a strong aviation union that will also provide accountable representation. The
flight crewmembers will have an independent local union backed by the 1.4 million member
Teamsters with the necessary resources to help them win a more secure future.”
The Atlas and Polar crewmembers are currently represented by an association, the Air Line
Pilots Association (ALPA), but the association does not have the focus, strength and cargo
experience of the Teamsters to represent their interests. The Teamsters will also allow the
crewmembers more decision-making power through their Teamster local union for the issues
that matter most to them.
A total of nearly 900 Atlas and Polar flight crewmembers are eligible to join the Teamsters.
Founded in 1903, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters represents 1.4 million
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Here is a thought and a point of contribution well over due by the Polar contingent.
Why don't you tell us how ALPA and Polar are going to fix the past that they willingly allowed to happen among our mutual councils and how ALPA plans to finally start representing the Atlas crews interests. It took a decertification vote to get their notice to initiate a merger they promised years ago.
I think it is time the Polar side contributes something of substance on these boards judging from the lack there of over the years. By that, I mean something of substance instead of the typical one liners. Judging from history, it will probably circle around your councils sole self interests as it always has.
Having said all of that, what is your plan (ALPA) on crew leasing in this case? Stalling a merger for the how many years? Yep, that ought to work.
Why don't you tell us how ALPA and Polar are going to fix the past that they willingly allowed to happen among our mutual councils and how ALPA plans to finally start representing the Atlas crews interests. It took a decertification vote to get their notice to initiate a merger they promised years ago.
I think it is time the Polar side contributes something of substance on these boards judging from the lack there of over the years. By that, I mean something of substance instead of the typical one liners. Judging from history, it will probably circle around your councils sole self interests as it always has.
Having said all of that, what is your plan (ALPA) on crew leasing in this case? Stalling a merger for the how many years? Yep, that ought to work.
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An official "Position" will NEVER be discussed in an open forum like this.
It is safe to say that any business opportunity that increases the staffing requirement is a good thing for the entire crew force.
I recently heard some disturbing news from one of our Polar brothers. He was under the impression based on what he had been told within the Polar side of the house that Protocols and section's of the new CBA had been "TA'd" I told him he had been lied to.
Nothing has been agreed to much less signed or TA'd.
www.atlasforteamsters.com is at this time the only source of official information. Even ALPA has not set up any website or single source of information in order for "our" crews to go to to find factual documents or information pertaining to the upcoming vote for representation.
I strongly suggest that everybody (Polar and Atlas) sign up for blast mail. You will recieve information as it becomes available and also be directed to source documents which have been posted on the www.atlasforteamsters.com website.
DBW
It is safe to say that any business opportunity that increases the staffing requirement is a good thing for the entire crew force.
I recently heard some disturbing news from one of our Polar brothers. He was under the impression based on what he had been told within the Polar side of the house that Protocols and section's of the new CBA had been "TA'd" I told him he had been lied to.
Nothing has been agreed to much less signed or TA'd.
www.atlasforteamsters.com is at this time the only source of official information. Even ALPA has not set up any website or single source of information in order for "our" crews to go to to find factual documents or information pertaining to the upcoming vote for representation.
I strongly suggest that everybody (Polar and Atlas) sign up for blast mail. You will recieve information as it becomes available and also be directed to source documents which have been posted on the www.atlasforteamsters.com website.
DBW
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I just spoke to the Atlas Chief pilot. No protocols or sections agreed to. He is sitting around in Washington waiting for ALPA to get their $hit together.
We are more that four months behind with ALPA in charge, and that is their timeline that they invented to motivate Atlas guys to stick with them? A two to three month delay for Teamsters to get it up and running is nothing to worry about. We're talking Sep '09 at best or worst, depending on how you see what these delays have led us to.
We are more that four months behind with ALPA in charge, and that is their timeline that they invented to motivate Atlas guys to stick with them? A two to three month delay for Teamsters to get it up and running is nothing to worry about. We're talking Sep '09 at best or worst, depending on how you see what these delays have led us to.