Atlas Polar

[Deltabravowhiskey]

Originally Posted by dumbdumb

No update on the teamsters website but got a memo from the Polar MEC stating that the NMB decision should be out soon and which way they want us to vote.

Bueller? Any info?

That’s called a "wild guess". First, it's no secret that the NMB ruling is coming "at any time". The NMB makes rulings on their schedule alone (preferably sooner rather than later). Once a decision is tendered, everybody will hear about it as soon as it is released.

The bottom line is that the Polar MEC has no inside poop on the situation in regards to when a decision is going to be released. If anything the Polar MEC is the furthest removed from the situation which is why there is a push to get Polar crews involved to prevent mis/incorrect information from circulating.

ALPA/Teamsters and the MEC's are locked out of the (NMB ruling) process since this is a decertification movement of one agent for another. In other words the NMB will not leak information in this matter until a decision is made. Despite the Teamsters having in excess of 1.6 million members you would think that this holds a bit more clout with the NMB than ALPA with 50 thousand, yet nothing is being shared with any party until an official decision is rendered.

The ALPA MEC's (Atlas/Polar) MUST support ALPA or they WILL BE REMOVED from office by ALPA.

Regardless of what the MEC thinks they are not permitted to support anything outside the will of ALPA, ALPA by directive must come first, representing the needs and wants of crewmembers always comes second. Failure to tow that line will get your MEC ousted by ALPA national.

For information regarding the decertification of ALPA go to: www.atlasforteamsters.com which will be the primary source for any Teamsters information.

Originally Posted by Atlas for Teamsters

Every labor area has laws that govern the “game.” The NMB has established a set of rules. To change your union representation the following is the procedure.

1. 50% +1 member must indicate to the NMB that they want to decertify their current representation. This is done by filling out, signing the attached card, and mailing it to the address on the card.
2. The NMB will then make sure that the members are employed by the Company and set an election. They also do a final determination as to who can vote.
3. The NMB will declare an election, stating how and when the election will be run.
4. Once a vote is cast, it cannot be changed.
5. New hires can vote.
6. The NMB will decide whether members on furlough may vote.
7. The election generally runs for 30 days.
8. 50% + 1 member must vote for a union (any union) for there to be union representation.
9. A no vote or a vote not received will be counted as a vote for no union representation.
10. The union who gains a majority wins the election.

It is imperative that everyone vote for the union of their choice. Not voting risks becoming at will employees.

DBW

[BELOWMINS]

DBW
While on the subject of a "wild guess", a quote from the AtlasforTeamsters message of August 10th, 2008.

"Our best guess for when the NMB will rule on the single carrier status issue is around Labor Day".

[dumbdumb]

DBW,

Yeah, I understand that the MEC's have to support National.

With the recent announcement of basing in ANC and me being spoiled by the teamsters web site with prompt updates, I was only curious.

Again, great information and from what I see, we can have the same insurance benefits, loss of license, etc. through teamsters. Is this correct? Again, only trying to get CORRECT information and not propaganda so that I and others may make a decsion based on facts.

[Deltabravowhiskey]

"We have already made arrangements through another insurance carrier to provide the same level of insurance at the same or less cost and all members will have access to aeromedical services as well."

Thus far we have been provided and have posted letters of insurability to provide a no lapse in coverage during any transition without exclusions or changes to existing policy's.

My suggestion is to contact the Atlas For Teamsters organizers www.atlasforteamsters.com and get any of the specifics you may require. The Insurance group that is putting together the packages are doing a great job to make sure we have everything our group(s) require.

DBW

[Beaver_Driver]

Just for info, one of the key players at the NMB has been out of the office for quite a while. He gets back this coming Wed. Regardless, nothing happens at the NMB with any great speed. The AtlasforTeamsters guys were making an educated guess on single carrier status based on the speed at which the NMB granted same to US Air/America West. They probably didn't know or count on the head guy being on vacation or gone.

[nitty-gritty]

The http://atlasforteamsters.com is up with their 20th message. Here is the flash audio page to listen Flash Audio or go to the home page. Still waiting on the NMB. Just like the DMV, they don't get in a hurry for others.

Here is the document on commitment of insurance transferability IN PDF.

They got a lot of stuff on the site. Just takes some time to go through it.

[Drzito]

Question for Atlas/Polar pilots. Are they still hiring for STN with the european contract? I heard that the contract is much better, and since I live in Europe it makes sense to get paid euro/pounds. Do I need FAA rating, and what are my chances with 3100 hrs?
thanks for help
Drzito

[WhaleDriver]

No, everyone hired is now part of ALPA under the ALPA contract. AABO, as their are now known, is slowly shrinking as guys leave.

[anothercargopilot]

There has not been any hiring recently (for many years) at AABO nor will there be in the future. All Atlas hiring is for pilots on the ALPA contract and list. Currently STN is the most junior base for ATLAS F/O's and you can get paid in pounds if you'd like. Atlas STN trips originate in FRA, AMS, HHN, LUX, DXB and other cities as contracts shift. On PAPER they show deadheading from STN to first flight and back to STN after trip completion. As funny as this sounds, most STN based pilots have never operated out of or ever been to STN.

If you live near or can commute to STN there is GSS which is a separate operation that is 49% owned by Atlas. GSS does it's own hiring and there are many threads here regarding that operation and the hiring process there.

Cheers

[mustangsally]

Atlas is hiring from a pool of interviewed pilots. I'm confindent that there will be more interviewing and hiring by the second quarter of next year, 09. Yes, an FAA ticket is required, ATP, First Class medical. And you must have a minimum of 2000 hours in turbine aircraft. Turboprop, does not count. STN is the junior base. As a new hire you would be paided in US dollars.

Good luck

[Drzito]

Thanks

Thanks for your help.

I guess i was misinformed by a stn pilot. He said it was better to get hired thru Atlas europe because he made a lot more than US based pilots, had better working rules, and did not belong to a union! Could this be possible? or was he lying to me?


I will also look into GSS.

Thanks, again

[flite idol]

He was not lying, but no one can be hired under those terms and conditions any longer.

[nitty-gritty]

Atlas/Polar a single carrier

The NMB has come out with there determination that Atlas/Polar are operating as a single carrier. They have it up on the http://www.atlasforteamsters.com site.

Looks like Polar will be involved whether they like it or not in the upcoming vote on decertifying ALPA.

[dumbdumb]

Guess it's time to turn this forum into an informational one so we can weigh the pros and cons of decertification. Keep the opinions out and factual information in and it should be OK. Although Polar is outnumbered when it comes to the 50% plus one vote to the "Yes." So we'll see. . .

[Beaver_Driver]

You are right although it should not be an us vs. them thing. It should be an intelligent choice for either Teamsters or ALPA based on the merits of either group, not on past animosity between the two pilot groups.

[nitty-gritty]

Considering that a lot of the animosity was driven by the current union playing "who is our favorite red headed step child today" between the two memberships will probably be the biggest determining factor.

[free at last]

Moving Forward

Looks like those two groups are going to do. Very Happy for them.

[zerozero]

Amen brother.

The whipsaw is almost gone from the management tool shed.

Next, we'll bury the hatchet.

It's time to look towards the future--and in this difficult economy there's safety and STRENGTH in numbers.

To hell with anyone that exploits division and fear.

[L-38]

I suppose that this ruling now makes the nominations for Polar's next generation MEC to be moot. In fact, preliminary preparations should soon begin as to who will be involved with the new soon-to-be single MEC, be it ALPA or Teamsters.

Also, could this ruling have interpretive effect on the awaited Bloch decision (pre-mature furlough / dismissal of Polar's 50+ flight engineer crewmembers)?

[cruiserman]

Just Remember

AAWH wants you to vote the Teamsters in, they hate spending good money and getting no results. JC1 started this movement and I suppose JC2 will continue the push. What better way to go around contractual commitments, than to just write your own labor contract and have your boys push it.

20 Years ALPA, Never be a Teamster