The Great PO/5Y Debate
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Well, my goodness. Nothing decided huh? I just listened to the MEC announcement and guess what. No decision with more hearings on the way. I can't wait to here the Atlas VARS to get his take on it. I bet it is different than Bobbs.
My point here is to show that both sides are a little bit self-serving. I am guilty (being a Poloroid, furloughed and working someplace else but still a Poloroid). Personally, what happened or not happened is now in front of an ALPA committee. Whatever is decided is decided. Big Deal! As for the other grievances; nothing will happen and when it does, then try to defend the decision pro/or com.
Captvac, I got a private message coming to you in a minute. Got some interesting information.
My point here is to show that both sides are a little bit self-serving. I am guilty (being a Poloroid, furloughed and working someplace else but still a Poloroid). Personally, what happened or not happened is now in front of an ALPA committee. Whatever is decided is decided. Big Deal! As for the other grievances; nothing will happen and when it does, then try to defend the decision pro/or com.
Captvac, I got a private message coming to you in a minute. Got some interesting information.
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Originally Posted by cptvac
"He" wasn't wrong at all...
What Cptvac posted is that the resolutions were not adopted. They weren't.
What Cptvac posted is that the resolutions were not adopted. They weren't.
Neither resolution was on the agenda. They were put forth as "Emergency" resolutions late in the day after the Polar Representative was told there was no more Polar business worth staying for, and left. Typical. Even Prater was blindsided (and offended). As was the majority of the EC.
The "Emergency" resolution aimed at derailing Polar Crewmembers legal efforts in defense of their contract was put "on hold" until January... when Polars' legal battles will be finished. Some "Emergency"...guess the EC did not share Mr. Bournes' urgency.
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Again Merc,
These were put forward as "Emergency" resolutions and aimed solely at damaging the Polar legal process. They will not have any effect, and the backdoor nature of their introduction was just another confirmation of the Atlas MECs' collusion against the Polar Crewmembers.
The legal process will be seen through, whatever the outcome. Polar Crewmembers, under advice of counsel, are defending their CBA against a coercive Company and their Union lapdogs (uh, that'd be you).
"K", I will agree, the EC has a phenomenal knack for passing the buck and a marked inability to say "Go to he!!" when appropriate. As in this case. But they surely did blow off, for now, the "Bourne Emergency".
These were put forward as "Emergency" resolutions and aimed solely at damaging the Polar legal process. They will not have any effect, and the backdoor nature of their introduction was just another confirmation of the Atlas MECs' collusion against the Polar Crewmembers.
The legal process will be seen through, whatever the outcome. Polar Crewmembers, under advice of counsel, are defending their CBA against a coercive Company and their Union lapdogs (uh, that'd be you).
"K", I will agree, the EC has a phenomenal knack for passing the buck and a marked inability to say "Go to he!!" when appropriate. As in this case. But they surely did blow off, for now, the "Bourne Emergency".
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Why captvac, you don't really think that do you. Bourne in bed with AAWH and their minion Cato, say it ain't so........ Look at the great CBA they negotiated, look at the great deal they're getting in STN. And let's not talk about the gateway travel. Man your off base on that one. You owe an apology. heh-heh
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Folks, I hope you don't mind but I've closed the long running Atlas STN thread & re-named this one.
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Bourne in bed with AAWH and their minion Cato, say it ain't so........ Look at the great CBA they negotiated, look at the great deal they're getting in STN. And let's not talk about the gateway travel. Man your off base on that one. You owe an apology. heh-heh
So tell me again which leadership is the right one?
....and what happened today - was that noise we all heard the sound of the Judge actually spanking Bobb?
So many being made to look so stupid by so few
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I'm a third Atlas poster, but sitting on the sidelines for now. Merc gets the info long before I do.
I have to agree with Merc on the average Polaroids feelings lately. I've had some deadheaders and jumpseaters and to a person, they say they know nothing. Most knew little of the multiple processes currently going on? They had quit a bit to say about the union, but posting here would just stir the pot and prove nothing.
Suffice it to say, they weren't happy. I'm not saying everyone at Atlas is happy with union activities either.
As other have pointed out, it is out of our hands and up to the courts and arbitrators.
BTW, when was the last time the Polar MEC came to terms with anyone without an arbitrator or judge making the decision for them?
I have to agree with Merc on the average Polaroids feelings lately. I've had some deadheaders and jumpseaters and to a person, they say they know nothing. Most knew little of the multiple processes currently going on? They had quit a bit to say about the union, but posting here would just stir the pot and prove nothing.
Suffice it to say, they weren't happy. I'm not saying everyone at Atlas is happy with union activities either.
As other have pointed out, it is out of our hands and up to the courts and arbitrators.
BTW, when was the last time the Polar MEC came to terms with anyone without an arbitrator or judge making the decision for them?
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Got some new info.
The alternative hearing instead of just suing the Polar MEC and Strike Breakers Committee has closed. Decisions to follow. Only one Polar guy showed up and he ended up testifying for the Atlas crew members along with Duane Woerth ex ALPA president. Guess they will make the Polar "snake list." I'll try and get the transcripts. I have the Atlas presentation, but I have to work at getting it up on here first. Kind of a funky format that I'm having trouble converting for web display. I'll try and get that out later. Don't have any physical evidence offered by Polar. Just testimony from the one that attended that would be on the transcripts. That was in favor of Atlas anyway.
Lets see, the Polar MEC forms a strike breakers committee and files about 180 Article VIII's on Atlas crewmembers which fails. At a later hearing brought by those accused by Polar, the Polar MEC doesn't have the time or the will to shake someone loose to attend and testify for the Polar MEC or the Strike Breakers Committee. Not even the time to have someone testify by phone which was acceptable. Pretty much says it all. Complete BS used by Bobb Henderson to defray attention from his mistakes and put it on Atlas crew members.
I believe the arbitration to find if the the Company merger grievance can be put into priority above the others due to the merger has concluded. Arbiter findings are not out yet. That will probably be a while.
Polar filed another grievance over the Holden arbitration trying to get A/C and jobs back to Polar from Atlas again.
Here is the recent Atlas VARS Click here
Here it is in RealAudio
IN REALAUDIO
Didn't have time to record the Polar VARS, but you can dial it here 1 800 253 5671
The alternative hearing instead of just suing the Polar MEC and Strike Breakers Committee has closed. Decisions to follow. Only one Polar guy showed up and he ended up testifying for the Atlas crew members along with Duane Woerth ex ALPA president. Guess they will make the Polar "snake list." I'll try and get the transcripts. I have the Atlas presentation, but I have to work at getting it up on here first. Kind of a funky format that I'm having trouble converting for web display. I'll try and get that out later. Don't have any physical evidence offered by Polar. Just testimony from the one that attended that would be on the transcripts. That was in favor of Atlas anyway.
Lets see, the Polar MEC forms a strike breakers committee and files about 180 Article VIII's on Atlas crewmembers which fails. At a later hearing brought by those accused by Polar, the Polar MEC doesn't have the time or the will to shake someone loose to attend and testify for the Polar MEC or the Strike Breakers Committee. Not even the time to have someone testify by phone which was acceptable. Pretty much says it all. Complete BS used by Bobb Henderson to defray attention from his mistakes and put it on Atlas crew members.
I believe the arbitration to find if the the Company merger grievance can be put into priority above the others due to the merger has concluded. Arbiter findings are not out yet. That will probably be a while.
Polar filed another grievance over the Holden arbitration trying to get A/C and jobs back to Polar from Atlas again.
Here is the recent Atlas VARS Click here
Here it is in RealAudio
IN REALAUDIO
Didn't have time to record the Polar VARS, but you can dial it here 1 800 253 5671
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VARS
Oh Please,
Bobb has used the Atlas VARS message against Atlas pilots whenever he pleases. They are not secure and often times the company calls them and listens to them. ALL union members know this and understand that the VARS messages are used to get a message across, not just to the union members but often times to other people in the negotiation process. So you might as well give that one a rest LIL!
Bobb has used the Atlas VARS message against Atlas pilots whenever he pleases. They are not secure and often times the company calls them and listens to them. ALL union members know this and understand that the VARS messages are used to get a message across, not just to the union members but often times to other people in the negotiation process. So you might as well give that one a rest LIL!
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There is a difference of listening to a VARS and putting the number on a public forum. Just how many do you think reads this thread that is not a Polar or Atlas crewmember? How many do you thinks called? For the first time, I had a busy signal for about 30 minutes.
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Personally, I hope everyone in the industry calls. Then they can compare all the downloads of facts here to what Bobb says and what the Atlas MEC says.
A public airing out might keep everyone here more honest.
Since this forum was used to publish confidential information of crew members on an illegal scab list with no denunciation by the Polar MEC (Bobb H. in particular) about the act, let alone him not taking any responsibility for the confidential information being leaked by him or his committee personnel in itself tells me he condoned it. I'm sorry, a statement of "I can't control all of my crew members" by Bobb is just a poor excuse and poor leadership in his responsibilities indicating he condoned it also. Not showing up, calling in, or being represented at the recent Alternative Hearing on that list is another. So much easier to scream "SCAB" and list names than prove it the right way. Kind of like being asked "when did you stop beating your wife and kids" of those accused of being scabs.
This kind of behavior continues on many other subjects already discussed on this thread and others.
A public airing out might keep everyone here more honest.
Since this forum was used to publish confidential information of crew members on an illegal scab list with no denunciation by the Polar MEC (Bobb H. in particular) about the act, let alone him not taking any responsibility for the confidential information being leaked by him or his committee personnel in itself tells me he condoned it. I'm sorry, a statement of "I can't control all of my crew members" by Bobb is just a poor excuse and poor leadership in his responsibilities indicating he condoned it also. Not showing up, calling in, or being represented at the recent Alternative Hearing on that list is another. So much easier to scream "SCAB" and list names than prove it the right way. Kind of like being asked "when did you stop beating your wife and kids" of those accused of being scabs.
This kind of behavior continues on many other subjects already discussed on this thread and others.
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Alright, the scab list may prove to be an embarrassment as well. . . if so, what would it take for Council 24 to rectify this?
Personal 5Y blast's of Council 24's elected members ("This kind of behavior continues on many other subjects") are nothing more than boring moans of ineffectual whining. . . We elected Bobb H. You did not. . therefore what can you do about it other than cry?.
Understand that few Polaroid's (if any) are unhappy with him. Bobb H may be a Stalin to 5Y, but to Polar he is Abe Lincoln.
Personal 5Y blast's of Council 24's elected members ("This kind of behavior continues on many other subjects") are nothing more than boring moans of ineffectual whining. . . We elected Bobb H. You did not. . therefore what can you do about it other than cry?.
Understand that few Polaroid's (if any) are unhappy with him. Bobb H may be a Stalin to 5Y, but to Polar he is Abe Lincoln.