The Great PO/5Y Debate
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Well merc, as I thought you are not willing to put your name to your propaganda. No surprise. I hope everyone see's through your self -rightous, harmful, propaganda and understands you do not represent the overwhelming majority of pilots working for Atlas or Polar. Are you threatening me by implying you know my location? I also have computer skills, yes your identity is well known. You will know mine with certainty when you recieve your notice from ALPA National with your Article VIII charges.
You might want to review the following code of ethics from the ALPA constitution and bylaws, you, in your 100s of posts have broken the following:
An Air Line Pilot will conduct his affairs with other members of the profession and with ALPA in such a manner as to bring credit to the profession and ALPA as well as to himself.
You might want to review the following code of ethics from the ALPA constitution and bylaws, you, in your 100s of posts have broken the following:
An Air Line Pilot will conduct his affairs with other members of the profession and with ALPA in such a manner as to bring credit to the profession and ALPA as well as to himself.
• He will not falsely or maliciously injure the professional reputation, prospects, or job security of another pilot, yet if he knows of professional incompetence or conduct detrimental to the profession or to ALPA, he will not shrink from revealing this to the proper authorities within ALPA, so that the weak member may be brought up to the standards demanded, or ALPA and the profession alike may be rid of one unworthy to share its rewards.
• He will conduct his affairs with ALPA and its members in accordance with the rules laid down in the Constitution and By-Laws of ALPA and with the policies and interpretations promulgated therefrom.
• An Air Line Pilot shall refrain from any action whereby, for his personal benefit or gain, he take advantage of the confidence reposed in him by his fellow members.
• He will regard himself as a debtor to his profession and ALPA, and will dedicate himself to their advancement. .
An Air Line Pilot the honor of his profession is dear, and he will remember that his own character and conduct reflect honor or dishonor upon the profession.
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To answer your questions,
As Whaledriver101 said "The Polar pilots have a scope clause in their contract(operational merger tied to a certificate) and we expect it to be honored.
Its a scope clause. It really cannot get anymore simple than that."
As to your ballot question, no it was not balloted. The 100% I used may have a margin of error of .1%. Actually I do not know of one Polar pilot that is in disagreement with our MEC.
We hold quarterly meetings in which the merger of course has been the primary subject. The group is in complete agreement and has total confidence in the path the MEC has taken. The Polar pilot group is a very tight knit group, considerably smaller than the Atlas group which makes it much easier to work together in one direction. Our contract is clear. We realize as a group that the company would get considerable benefit by merging the two pilot groups. We are not opposed to that. However, the contract does not allow for this type of merger to take place and maintain two separate companies and two separate operating certificates. So we are asking for certain job protections before moving forward. The company and the Atlas MEC would not agree to these protections, so in accordance with our contract we decline to move forward with this so called merger. Did we take a poll, no. Are we 100% in agreement, absolutely. We are standing up for our rights under our hard won CBA, even if certain members of the Atlas pilot group prefer to take whatever the company dictates.
As Whaledriver101 said "The Polar pilots have a scope clause in their contract(operational merger tied to a certificate) and we expect it to be honored.
Its a scope clause. It really cannot get anymore simple than that."
As to your ballot question, no it was not balloted. The 100% I used may have a margin of error of .1%. Actually I do not know of one Polar pilot that is in disagreement with our MEC.
We hold quarterly meetings in which the merger of course has been the primary subject. The group is in complete agreement and has total confidence in the path the MEC has taken. The Polar pilot group is a very tight knit group, considerably smaller than the Atlas group which makes it much easier to work together in one direction. Our contract is clear. We realize as a group that the company would get considerable benefit by merging the two pilot groups. We are not opposed to that. However, the contract does not allow for this type of merger to take place and maintain two separate companies and two separate operating certificates. So we are asking for certain job protections before moving forward. The company and the Atlas MEC would not agree to these protections, so in accordance with our contract we decline to move forward with this so called merger. Did we take a poll, no. Are we 100% in agreement, absolutely. We are standing up for our rights under our hard won CBA, even if certain members of the Atlas pilot group prefer to take whatever the company dictates.
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I don't know what your smoking, but it must be goooood stuff. Of the two dozen or so Polariods I've talked to in the last year, not a one had any idea what was going on. They said they were out of the loop and not happy about it. They said they felt like sheep, just following along.
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Merc, you never sign any of your post !!! DUH !!!
Just about any moron could figure out who I am. I'm not hiding as you purport, just trying to keep someone(s) from doing something stupid requiring my appearance in court or the hospital again depending on who gets the drop on who. It's not rocket science. Having said that, I guess you finally asked someone?
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I would of preferred to have seen this thread closed, along with all the other Atlas/Polar threads, but I know that the handful of guys at both Atlas and Polar would just start another thread brining back up all the OLD stuff we have been seeing here for the past couple of years!
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PO,
I didn't see your name on either the scab list or the law suit so I guess you will just have to stay away from this site or this thread until this is all said and done. This isn't about the Polar pilots and it isn't about the company. This whole thread is about the Polar MEC and the fact that certain decisions they have made have caused the Atlas Pilots (of which you are but one) to suffer with no contract, no QOL, no upgrades, no new customers, no AABO integration, no scheduling department changes - basically every thing that counts in your job is on hold waiting for the Polar MEC to quit their shenanigans.
And the fact is that the Polar scope clause makes no mention of being "married to the certificate" it simply says complete operational merger. So there is room for interpretation which leads to arbitration. And not one single Atlas pilot including in the MEC contests their right to grieve and arbitrate that portion of their scope clause. What does upset most Atlas pilots, and should upset you, is the delaying tactics - and of course the name calling and lack of honesty towards the Atlas pilots. Here is the link to the ADR - just in case you may have missed it before Merc got booted.
I didn't see your name on either the scab list or the law suit so I guess you will just have to stay away from this site or this thread until this is all said and done. This isn't about the Polar pilots and it isn't about the company. This whole thread is about the Polar MEC and the fact that certain decisions they have made have caused the Atlas Pilots (of which you are but one) to suffer with no contract, no QOL, no upgrades, no new customers, no AABO integration, no scheduling department changes - basically every thing that counts in your job is on hold waiting for the Polar MEC to quit their shenanigans.
And the fact is that the Polar scope clause makes no mention of being "married to the certificate" it simply says complete operational merger. So there is room for interpretation which leads to arbitration. And not one single Atlas pilot including in the MEC contests their right to grieve and arbitrate that portion of their scope clause. What does upset most Atlas pilots, and should upset you, is the delaying tactics - and of course the name calling and lack of honesty towards the Atlas pilots. Here is the link to the ADR - just in case you may have missed it before Merc got booted.
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Wow! I didn't realize the Polar MEC has such power! My goodness!
If you're suffering with no contract, you know what to do, you just don't have the cajones to do anything about it.
If you're suffering with no contract, you know what to do, you just don't have the cajones to do anything about it.
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Do tell - what should we do? Doesn't matter how many times we explain things to you, you all still don't understand the RLA and the fact that there needs to be two parties at the table to negotiate. Maybe we could all quit and come work for FedEx. How is the new job anyways?
