The Great PO/5Y Debate
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From: KLAX
Please Merc - For now, stow your dagger as no slight of Polar was intended.
The MEC usually has reasons for their confidentiality, however for situation info, you seem to have historic librarian skills. . . . "any port in a storm" applies.
Metaphorically, we all feed from the same nipple - right?
The MEC usually has reasons for their confidentiality, however for situation info, you seem to have historic librarian skills. . . . "any port in a storm" applies.
Metaphorically, we all feed from the same nipple - right?
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From: Navarre
The Polar MEC doesn't put anything out until something is final. No sense flapping the gums needlessly.
I did received a letter from ALPA though on the suit brought concerning the unauthorized scab list. Everything stated in the letter I agree with. Whoever put the list out should be hung by the short hairs. The thing is, I am very, very sure the MEC had nothing to do with it. Maybe it will comes out in the hearing. You may not thin much of Bobb or Robin but they are not that dumb.
I did received a letter from ALPA though on the suit brought concerning the unauthorized scab list. Everything stated in the letter I agree with. Whoever put the list out should be hung by the short hairs. The thing is, I am very, very sure the MEC had nothing to do with it. Maybe it will comes out in the hearing. You may not thin much of Bobb or Robin but they are not that dumb.
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From: Nevada
Arbitration
The federal court ordered hearing was heard by the arbitrator last week. This is the arbitration which will decide if the company has the right to expedite a grievance. The arbitrator requested briefs from both parties. He advised that his next available date to continue this arbitration will be sometime in the spring.
The remaining two arbitrations are scheduled for the 30th and the 5th.
It will be interesting to hear what comes of the investigation into the the alleged scab list posting. From what I read in the ALPA mailing, the two neutrals will investigate all aspects of the list. Not only if it was published wrongly and by who, but also whether or not there is any validity to the list. I guess it could be said that some might regret what they wished for...
The remaining two arbitrations are scheduled for the 30th and the 5th.
It will be interesting to hear what comes of the investigation into the the alleged scab list posting. From what I read in the ALPA mailing, the two neutrals will investigate all aspects of the list. Not only if it was published wrongly and by who, but also whether or not there is any validity to the list. I guess it could be said that some might regret what they wished for...
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From: Navarre
I tend to agree with you on that note. I was going to mention one section of the letter that give relief from anyone who acted in violation of ALPA's strike policies, but elected not to do so But since you brought it up; I found that sentence puzzling since no one did anything contrary to ALPA's strike policy.
Personally, it is all water under the bridge and there are a lot bigger fish to fry. This arbitration is step one. I could care less what happened in the past. There are a lot of good people out there getting hosed by AAWH management (not Atlas crews) and my only concern is that everyone wins with the exception of Cato
Personally, it is all water under the bridge and there are a lot bigger fish to fry. This arbitration is step one. I could care less what happened in the past. There are a lot of good people out there getting hosed by AAWH management (not Atlas crews) and my only concern is that everyone wins with the exception of Cato
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The thing is, I am very, very sure the MEC had nothing to do with it. Maybe it will comes out in the hearing. You may not thin much of Bobb or Robin but they are not that dumb.
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From: Purchase, N.Y.
“There are a lot of good people out there getting hosed by AAWH management (not Atlas crews) and my only concern is that everyone wins with the exception of Cato.”
What has Mr. Cato ever done to you that would elicit these remarks?
What has Mr. Cato ever done to you that would elicit these remarks?
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From: Navarre
I am not going to get into a discussion over who did what. As far as I m concerned, it doesn't make a whit. Let's just cool it and wait until a ruling is made. OK?
Then, and only then can comments be posted concerning this lawsuit.
Then, and only then can comments be posted concerning this lawsuit.
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From: Arizona
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If your are so sure Bobb and Robin (and others) did what you insinuate they did...why sign off on ALPAs' Special Hearing alternative? Originally you were already counting your $500K...weren't you?
You are just as guilty of preconvicting(?) on circumstantial evidence as the scumbag who circulated the PPrune list.
If your are so sure Bobb and Robin (and others) did what you insinuate they did...why sign off on ALPAs' Special Hearing alternative? Originally you were already counting your $500K...weren't you?
You are just as guilty of preconvicting(?) on circumstantial evidence as the scumbag who circulated the PPrune list.
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Originally Posted by cptvac
Whale
If your are so sure Bobb and Robin (and others) did what you insinuate they did...why sign off on ALPAs' Special Hearing alternative? Originally you were already counting your $500K...weren't you?
You are just as guilty of preconvicting(?) on circumstantial evidence as the scumbag who circulated the PPrune list.
If your are so sure Bobb and Robin (and others) did what you insinuate they did...why sign off on ALPAs' Special Hearing alternative? Originally you were already counting your $500K...weren't you?
You are just as guilty of preconvicting(?) on circumstantial evidence as the scumbag who circulated the PPrune list.
So the Special Hearing Alternative came to being instead of the civil suit. Even though there were no scabs and still are none. ALPA Nationals original limp d!@k approach to the original Article VIII just made things worse inducing this latest event to clear the names of those Atlas crews wrongly accused by Polar.
ALPA dropping the Article VIII's
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From: Florida
I'm confused. The letter you posted is dated over a year ago, and I see no where that it absolved anyone of anything. It just states that ALPA is dodging the issue due to the fact that the APLA MEC filed the grievances too late, not that the investigation showed no violations. Forgive me if I am wrong, but would opening up the can of worms all over again, maybe show some skullduggery? If I remember correctly you guys wanted a lot of money from the Polar MEC, now you don't. What gives?
Sometimes it is better to let sleeping dogs lie. At any rate, I hope find out who did the dastardly deed.
Sometimes it is better to let sleeping dogs lie. At any rate, I hope find out who did the dastardly deed.
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From: Nevada
arbitration
Not only to find out who did the deed, but also to find out which, if any, of those on the list actually scabbed! I understand a lot of Polar freight moved during the strike, so who moved it? I guess we shall finally find out.
