Emerald and the CAA
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Wet pants...
Genuinely the funniest thing I've read in ages:
and the second funniest:
Now Lady d'Rection is worried that I've become prematurely incontinent, and I'll have to explain I've been reading this thread!
For me, viewing these forums is the closest thing I can find to the time my Victorian forebears spent watching the lunatics in the asylum...
It was a crime that Emerald went and I think it was down to one person, Wendy Crick who had it in for Emerald
Would be exciting to be involved in such a re-start
For me, viewing these forums is the closest thing I can find to the time my Victorian forebears spent watching the lunatics in the asylum...
Down to Wendy Crick?
I don't think so.
What if she did have it in for Emerald? She would still have to find something tangible to pin her prejudices on.
She may have had something to do with the demise of Emerald but if a certain CEO had not treated the CAA with the same arrogance and disdain that he treated staff and customers alike, I think Emerald would still be flying.
Wendy crick may have fired the bullets (and I don't know, not having worked for the Mobster for many a year), but if Mr "everybody but me is a w**ker" hadn't actually had them delivered to her by courier things may have been different.
One person, and one person alone was responsible for Emerald's demise.
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I don't think so.
What if she did have it in for Emerald? She would still have to find something tangible to pin her prejudices on.
She may have had something to do with the demise of Emerald but if a certain CEO had not treated the CAA with the same arrogance and disdain that he treated staff and customers alike, I think Emerald would still be flying.
Wendy crick may have fired the bullets (and I don't know, not having worked for the Mobster for many a year), but if Mr "everybody but me is a w**ker" hadn't actually had them delivered to her by courier things may have been different.
One person, and one person alone was responsible for Emerald's demise.
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Doctor Cruces.
If you have not worked for MOB for many years. How can you make such comments.
Again this thread reduces to targeting and accusing.
EA thrived for all the years it did due to it's staff and MOB leading them, people like you seem to forget that!!
EA began to downfall after the ATP project and a certain incident in GCI.
Those there at the end know the score.
If you have not worked for MOB for many years. How can you make such comments.
Again this thread reduces to targeting and accusing.
EA thrived for all the years it did due to it's staff and MOB leading them, people like you seem to forget that!!
EA began to downfall after the ATP project and a certain incident in GCI.
Those there at the end know the score.
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You have got to be kidding me.
I have never heard such utter bo**ocks spouted on this site.
Emerald never "thrived" it lurched from disaster to disaster relying solely on the good will of the crews and other staff.
The day to day management was extremely poor. I have never seen such demoralised people as the poor sods in Ops when something went slightly wrong and they were threatened, bullied and generally treated like dirt.
To say the place was amateurish would be the understatement of the century. The CAA should have shut the place down years before they did. It simply wasn't good enough for an airline in the UK. The incidents that were swept under the carpet, the merry go round of unservicable parts amongst the fleets, no parts, lies about dispensations from the CAA that mysteriously disappeared when they were challenged, slowness in paying expenses, threats to crews over safety issues, constant calls to ask for paperwork to be "altered", total disregard for the well being of crews over issues such as fatigue.
Need I go on. It wasn't an airline, but a circus and MOB was the ring master.
The CAA did their job, it wasn't their fault the company couldn't meet it's obligations.
I have never heard such utter bo**ocks spouted on this site.
Emerald never "thrived" it lurched from disaster to disaster relying solely on the good will of the crews and other staff.
The day to day management was extremely poor. I have never seen such demoralised people as the poor sods in Ops when something went slightly wrong and they were threatened, bullied and generally treated like dirt.
To say the place was amateurish would be the understatement of the century. The CAA should have shut the place down years before they did. It simply wasn't good enough for an airline in the UK. The incidents that were swept under the carpet, the merry go round of unservicable parts amongst the fleets, no parts, lies about dispensations from the CAA that mysteriously disappeared when they were challenged, slowness in paying expenses, threats to crews over safety issues, constant calls to ask for paperwork to be "altered", total disregard for the well being of crews over issues such as fatigue.
Need I go on. It wasn't an airline, but a circus and MOB was the ring master.
The CAA did their job, it wasn't their fault the company couldn't meet it's obligations.
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Sour grapes....
Leaving Emerald was the best thing that ever happened to me. The cheque I got was pretty nice as well.
Ring leader against MOB?! Not really, but I was always pretty vociferous in my opinions on his competence.
Looks like I was proved right.............
Maybe if some other members of the Emerald crews had had the nuts to stand up and be counted, the company could have been better and would still exist today and you might still have a job.
But it's easier to look elsewhere for blame isn't it.
Leaving Emerald was the best thing that ever happened to me. The cheque I got was pretty nice as well.
Ring leader against MOB?! Not really, but I was always pretty vociferous in my opinions on his competence.
Looks like I was proved right.............
Maybe if some other members of the Emerald crews had had the nuts to stand up and be counted, the company could have been better and would still exist today and you might still have a job.
But it's easier to look elsewhere for blame isn't it.
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It is all a personal attack on one man who ran a company for over a decade.
I am not interested, it is unjust and wrong.
All i have an interest in is the apparent up start.
I am not interested, it is unjust and wrong.
All i have an interest in is the apparent up start.
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Personal attack? May be, but in this case it is well deserved. I wouldn't be as forgiving as you if one man destroyed the company I worked for and put me out on my ear, putting my house and family at risk.
But maybe some people are different and they have rosier spectacles than I do.
It wasn't just MOB's fault. You are quite correct in that.
All the spineless people who let him do what he wanted can also shoulder some of the blame.
The owner of the company also deserves a shoeing. I cannot believe anyone who got burnt first time around is willing to go through the same thing again.
"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
Anyone thinking of leaving a proper airline job to go back to this, should be sectioned.
But maybe some people are different and they have rosier spectacles than I do.
It wasn't just MOB's fault. You are quite correct in that.
All the spineless people who let him do what he wanted can also shoulder some of the blame.
The owner of the company also deserves a shoeing. I cannot believe anyone who got burnt first time around is willing to go through the same thing again.
"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
Anyone thinking of leaving a proper airline job to go back to this, should be sectioned.
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AVIATOR 2,
Lady d'Rection has threatened to put me into incontinence pants if you keep posting!
...and for the record, Wendy was only one cog in the machinery that ground away for years before finally pulling the plug.
Could you name one of those years? 
Lady d'Rection has threatened to put me into incontinence pants if you keep posting!
...and for the record, Wendy was only one cog in the machinery that ground away for years before finally pulling the plug.
EA thrived for all the years it did
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lots of mudslinging going on...does anyone have any credible information on a possible re-start of emerald ??i believe there is room for another freight operator in the domestic UK market.if emerald do ressurect,what contracts can they expect to secure,bearing in mind the rapid demise last may.i know several of the pilots who enjoyed the emerald operation,despite its failings.not so sure whether any of them would get involved again,unless there were cast iron guarantees and a cash upfront incentive,not to mention a decent remuneration,inline with what the market is paying current freight pilots.
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This thread is nonsense.
It misses the point completely of those who lost jobs and those who want to see the budgies back up in the air.
It is just a personal attack thread as bermuda states 'mudslinging'.
It misses the point completely of those who lost jobs and those who want to see the budgies back up in the air.
It is just a personal attack thread as bermuda states 'mudslinging'.
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This thread has nothing to do with the start up. It was originally started when Emerald was still going.
Why don't you start a new thread on the potential start up rather than resurecting this old one.
But I have to say, I reckon the chances of getting the 748's back in the air is pretty much zero.
Not because they aren't suitable for the freight market, but because no-one is going to give AJ a contract after the whole Emerald debacle. All the big freight companies have long memories.
Why would they risk being let down again? Remind me again how many contracts were lost in the last couple of years of Emeralds existance..... Small hint, it was a lot.
I think it's probably about time everyone moved on. Certainly all I know who were capable of doing so have.
Why on earth would anyone take the risk of going to work for that bunch of incompetents?
Anyone who's worked for any sort of half decent company knows how rubbish it really was. Sure it was fun sometimes, but that was purely down to the crews.
I think back on my time at Emerald as a learning experience. It changed my perception of how bad things can get, but I learnt more about flying there than at any other time in my career.
The main thing that I'll remember is how not to do anything. I just have to think "what would Emerald do" in any situation and then do the opposite. SO far it's worked pretty well!
Why don't you start a new thread on the potential start up rather than resurecting this old one.
But I have to say, I reckon the chances of getting the 748's back in the air is pretty much zero.
Not because they aren't suitable for the freight market, but because no-one is going to give AJ a contract after the whole Emerald debacle. All the big freight companies have long memories.
Why would they risk being let down again? Remind me again how many contracts were lost in the last couple of years of Emeralds existance..... Small hint, it was a lot.
I think it's probably about time everyone moved on. Certainly all I know who were capable of doing so have.
Why on earth would anyone take the risk of going to work for that bunch of incompetents?
Anyone who's worked for any sort of half decent company knows how rubbish it really was. Sure it was fun sometimes, but that was purely down to the crews.
I think back on my time at Emerald as a learning experience. It changed my perception of how bad things can get, but I learnt more about flying there than at any other time in my career.
The main thing that I'll remember is how not to do anything. I just have to think "what would Emerald do" in any situation and then do the opposite. SO far it's worked pretty well!
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"Why don't you start a new thread on the potential start up rather than resurecting this old one".
Whats the point? I will only be hijacked by the likes of you. Stopped looking at this thread a long time ago.
Whats the point? I will only be hijacked by the likes of you. Stopped looking at this thread a long time ago.
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Say it again Slowly sums it up perfectly.
Fair enough, there is a lot of sentementality from people who put in a lot of effort to make EA work, but it wasnt only the staff who lost money, taxi companies, engineering contractors, one man bands etc etc etc, as I have said before (and it brings me no pleasure) there are people out there just waiting for an ex EA aircraft to turn up on their ramp to snow plough it in, and I know of one MD of a company who is making it his personal mission to make sure this doesnt work, I sympathise with him, he had to lay off staff because of the money that was owed. Most of the crews got jobs quickly, some others effected by this have not been so fortunate.
This simply isnt going to work, for a start the big fuelling companies are asking for cash up front, as is everyone else, with the margins being so tight in this industry that makes it very hard to get going, another concern I hear is lack of spares (plenty of rubbish without Form 1's before anyone starts) around now for the 748) coupled with RM 'apparently' vowing NEVER to even give them accreditation to bid on contacts its a very very grim picture.
Like I have said many, many times before, stay well away.
Fair enough, there is a lot of sentementality from people who put in a lot of effort to make EA work, but it wasnt only the staff who lost money, taxi companies, engineering contractors, one man bands etc etc etc, as I have said before (and it brings me no pleasure) there are people out there just waiting for an ex EA aircraft to turn up on their ramp to snow plough it in, and I know of one MD of a company who is making it his personal mission to make sure this doesnt work, I sympathise with him, he had to lay off staff because of the money that was owed. Most of the crews got jobs quickly, some others effected by this have not been so fortunate.
This simply isnt going to work, for a start the big fuelling companies are asking for cash up front, as is everyone else, with the margins being so tight in this industry that makes it very hard to get going, another concern I hear is lack of spares (plenty of rubbish without Form 1's before anyone starts) around now for the 748) coupled with RM 'apparently' vowing NEVER to even give them accreditation to bid on contacts its a very very grim picture.
Like I have said many, many times before, stay well away.