Emerald and the CAA

[OPSQUEEN]

LIGHTS ARE OUT

Hello

Think there will be 2/3 in downstairs today but no-one in Ops. KPMG still on site for now as the decision on the sale of the business is due very soon and they better be there for the rest of the week as I will need Insurance docs signing off!!!

It's all a bit of a do ........... and unnecessary, considering some of the capers at other Airlines which seem to go unnoticed.

[EI-CGO]

The sale of the business has more or less been decided and it hasnt gone the way that the former proprietors would have liked.

I imagine the Shorts fleet will still plod away with some of the other UK operators, but I imagine that most of the fleet will be sold off around the world.

Why is anyone still at LPL ? Hope you havent been fed a pack of lies about a pheonix from the flames, LPL was never part of any of the bidders plans as far as I can gather.

[EI-CGO]

Originally Posted by OPSQUEEN

Hello
It's all a bit of a do ........... and unnecessary, considering some of the capers at other Airlines which seem to go unnoticed.

While I sympathise with your predicament, I cant remember (recently) any other airline that has managed to get itself into quite the mess with the Authority that JEM has.

If you want to operate in a REGULATED sector, then you have to play by the rules. JEM broke them the day they thought they were bigger than the CAA and if as a company you continually think yourself immune from anything else that EVERY other operator has to obide by then your Accountable Manager has to be the most brain dead individual ever to have held the post at a UK airline.

143 Employees have paid that ultimate price for one mans ego. FACT.

EVERYONE knows that the CAA can be a pain, but they are also EXTREMELY willing to help you if you tell them you have a problem, just like they are willing to give and take if you show them that you are self regulating and are doing your best to resolve problems, even if you dont get on with a particular individual at the CAA, you even have the right to have them replaced if you can justify that they have a greivance against you. You cant say fairer than that.

Most of the people who critisise the Authority on this thread have VERY little to do with Flight Ops Inspectors or the process of Auditing and Regulation, that is very evident from the utter bollocks about some kind of conspiracy theory about the CAA being out to get JEM.

As for any other 'capers' that go on at other airlines, I am interested to know what they are, they cant be too serious as they would have had their AOC pulled as well.

[Germstone]

more people laid off today at Blackpool and Liverpool

seems to be mainly an engineering presence only.

suppose they are needed to keep whats left of the fleet serviceable until flown out to new owners???

[Phileas Fogg]

Originally Posted by EI-CGO

While I sympathise with your predicament, I cant remember (recently) any other airline that has managed to get itself into quite the mess with the Authority that JEM has.
If you want to operate in a REGULATED sector, then you have to play by the rules. JEM broke them the day they thought they were bigger than the CAA and if as a company you continually think yourself immune from anything else that EVERY other operator has to obide by then your Accountable Manager has to be the most brain dead individual ever to have held the post at a UK airline.
143 Employees have paid that ultimate price for one mans ego. FACT.
EVERYONE knows that the CAA can be a pain, but they are also EXTREMELY willing to help you if you tell them you have a problem, just like they are willing to give and take if you show them that you are self regulating and are doing your best to resolve problems, even if you dont get on with a particular individual at the CAA, you even have the right to have them replaced if you can justify that they have a greivance against you. You cant say fairer than that.
Most of the people who critisise the Authority on this thread have VERY little to do with Flight Ops Inspectors or the process of Auditing and Regulation, that is very evident from the utter bollocks about some kind of conspiracy theory about the CAA being out to get JEM.
As for any other 'capers' that go on at other airlines, I am interested to know what they are, they cant be too serious as they would have had their AOC pulled as well.

Ei-CGO,
Whilst the theme of your post is close to the point please do not spoil it by pointing the finger, in a personal attack, at one man. I do not defend the individual who is the victim of your attack but was he the true bean counter or was it an individual one step up the ladder above him.

What an appropriate ploy, to put a CEO in place of the bean counter, put one's hand up his ass as if a glove puppet, shout and bawl at the staff, treat them perhaps like sh1t but if what that individual was doing was so wrong then why did the bean counter leave him in place for so long?

And as for OPSQUEEN, well a bit of naivity there, every airline bends the rules but to repeatedly and daily disregard them, well that's something else and whilst OPSQUEENS and all those affected have my every sympathy perhaps there are pastures new just around the corner ..... or two.

[OPSQUEEN]

Originally Posted by not always

do we know who is left at LPL and is sk still about ?

I have been appauled reading the posts about her and MOB over the past few weeks and hope she is taking no note of them and hope that they are not true, my pal from Aer Arann tells me that MOB is divorced and there is no chance at all sk could still be living with parents so to those certain individuals who know who they are get facts straight and stop being so saddddddddd!

Good luck and hope you all find work soon, to all my fellow EA chaps and chappesses miss you all, and look forward to the booze up I hear is coming soon so count me in !

If you are that appalled then why bring the subject up AGAIN - just drop it once and for all - it's nothing to do with you

[jindabyne]

Have a good friend who, like you all, is now without a job an an income. Unlike most of you, he is a pleasant and honourable person - move on.

[CR2]

Don't encourage him folks, ignore. I'll delete/ban as necessary.

[OPSQUEEN]

WORRIED OF WIDNES

Thank you Mr Moderator

Phileas
"Something round the corner" - I hope so, getting bored already!

For any Ops staff readers, have heard that Flight Support/Servisair/Ryanair and Globespan (as and when they get to LPL) are looking for people.

Cheers all

[BMI BABY]

Thank you Mr Moderator - well done !!!!

that annoying little s*it was driving me mad , how jealous can one person be GET A BIRD OF YOUR OWN AND LEAVE MOB's ALONE SAD GIT !!!

Does anyone know who this pratt actually is ?? MOB must be outraged, talk about having to look after your other half from jealous t*ats hope sk is rising above it !

[The AvgasDinosaur]

I thought this thread was about the end of Emerald and not an adolescents fantasy column!
For the sake of historical record does anyone have a full list of the positioning flights back to Blackpool aircraft/call sign / point of departure/ time of arrival?
What is the status of the AOC is it still suspended or has it been withdrawn? (Academic really once KPMG came through the door) What "Official" grounds have been given by the CAA for the suspension.
Hope everyone gets sorted out soon with new careers, whenever I have met any Gemstone staff they have been caring competant and professional.
Be lucky
David

[Trill_Flyer]

The END

Originally Posted by The AvgasDinosaur

I thought this thread was about the end of Emerald and not an adolescents fantasy column!
For the sake of historical record does anyone have a full list of the positioning flights back to Blackpool aircraft/call sign / point of departure/ time of arrival?
What is the status of the AOC is it still suspended or has it been withdrawn? (Academic really once KPMG came through the door) What "Official" grounds have been given by the CAA for the suspension.
Hope everyone gets sorted out soon with new careers, whenever I have met any Gemstone staff they have been caring competant and professional.
Be lucky
David

I agree totally with your first paragraph. There are a few sad people about.

For the arrivals of the Fleet at Blackpool try the Blackpool spotter web site they seem to have their finger on the pulse. They have a photo on the first page. As for the two aircraft which inpounded at Liverpool (ATP & HS748) and Coventry (two HS748 and lots of shorts 3-60's,some grounded before due lack of spares) plus the Pax ATP on the IOM. Try air traffic or if you know any of the pilots they will let you know. If you know David P training Capt he has most of the crews e-mails addresses. He could ask for the info. Good luck

As for the reason for the CAA suspending the AOC it's anyone guess. Nobody at "Emerald" has told us. It's not been lifted as far as we know. All the pilots have had their P45's and everyone else The company is no more. Rather a sad way to go.

I believe pilots are finding jobs far and wide.

[straightnotlevel]

not all of us are finding jobs tho !! and wat are balpa doing?? when are we gonna get any redundancy money?? or any kind of explanation from anybody as to why this happened?

[siduk]

Shorts 360 back in Aberdeen

Hi
Shed is alive again in Aberdeen, doing its normal run which Emerald used to do and Emerald ABZ Crews have got the job with Benair.

I wish you all ex Emerald employees Good Luck, we are doing safe landings.

Cheers

[The Streets]

Its not a plug, but if there are any LTC's out there on the 748 still looking for work (not TRE's) I may be able to put you in touch with someone.

[exloadie]

There was no sign of activity last nightin either ops or eng at lpl last night so it looks like the end........

[CharterNorthWest]

Originally Posted by exloadie

There was no sign of activity last nightin either ops or eng at lpl last night so it looks like the end........

No there will not be any sign of any activity as all Ops staff have gone now(as mentioned before) these where the only people left running the company at night trying to keep there jobs and trying to make the company some sort of money/income, and what engineers were left do not work at nights.

I have been told that on Friday there should be some indication on who if anyone has bought what's left.




(p.s Cheer's Buddy...I,m trying to contact you and dont seem to be able to do this check your emails or your telephone messages urgently,may have a job for you??)

[cruiseczechs]

THE STREETS

THe Streets, please check your pm's

[DiverMikeD]

>>No there will not be any sign of any activity as all Ops staff have gone now(as mentioned before) these where the only people left running the company at night trying to keep there jobs and trying to make the company some sort of money/income<<

On a point of note, the IoM staff, both Cargo and Pax have been working as per normal through all of this. Likewise earning revenue on the Cargo side, scanning freight/mail and also operating the Pax ground handling contracts, in the forlorn hope that some of it may come back in spades, or at least redundancy money! However with neither visual/audible or written notification from the company (only once from KPMG) during this period of discontent, it seems as though Friday may be 'THE DAY' for us also! What a waste of time, effort and resources! Aaaaarrgghh!

>>I have been told that on Friday there should be some indication on who if anyone has bought what's left<<

Honestly, they're welcome to it!

Regards to all.

[Emeroid Eng]

IOM Staff

The people on the IOM will no doubt be working for one of Mr Janes many other companies, Emerald Airways IOM Ltd, Freshleave Ltd, Emerald 748 Ltd or Copperfayre to name just a few.

I wonder how many staff of these companies need to start worrying