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Dear Anna, Rupert...et al. Do you hear the approaching thunder...?

Old 22nd Oct 2017, 14:41
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Dear Anna, Rupert...et al. Do you hear the approaching thunder...?

I realise a similar article has been posted elsewhere, but for the purpose of focus on what is beginning to happen, both in the US and worldwide, this article represents but a taste of the reality our management is ignoring. They do so at their imminent peril...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...NS99?li=AA5a8k

(and read further down the article regarding the commercial industry)
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 14:43
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I will draw you all to the comment further in the article: "military's pilot shortage crisis has been compounded by pilot shortages in the commercial airline industry, which offers AGGRESSIVE pay". Sounds just like ours, except in reverse.... A dumber management has never been witnessed.
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 14:44
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They don't give a s#@t. Bonuses locked in, and then they are gone.
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 16:10
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Sadly you may have a point. However, they being 'gone' will be in addition to the soon to be hundreds of CX pilots also being 'gone'. My neighbour among them, who just accepted an airline job in Aus. Ten+ years here, and didn't want to work one more moment in an airline with no rules or stability or respect. Not to mention he's moving home to his house in Brisbane. How many other stories just like this will we be writing over the coming months?
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 17:49
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Lots I would imagine
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 19:46
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Unfortunately, I believe that they are still happy to see A and B scale pilots go. They are being replaced by the cheapies. And with the cheap package, bases would not save them much, so no need for those pesky First World labor laws. Just keep a token few bases open as a recruiting carrot.

I fly with lots of newly joined, experienced South Africans, happy to be out of Africa, sitting in a shiny wide body, with the prospect of a permanent HKID card down the track.

I fear that the approaching thunder is just my guts churning after a Headland Hotel meal.

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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 21:43
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They are not happy to see them leaving in the exponentially increasing numbers now being registered. And just wait until they see the result of their “Time to Win” strategy (if they are foolish enough to push it ahead). How do you end up with no pilots: slowly, then suddenly. They will soon enough be panicked as to how they crew their aircraft. Probably right around the coming holidays....
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 23:08
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The same story happened in my previous airline.

They were very satisfied to see a few experienced and expensive pilots leave... until too many experienced and not so expensive (after all) pilots left.

By then it was too late. Not even a 30% raise would stop the flow. Only a 50% raise stopped the ones who hadn't left from looking for another job. Once your employees are in the process of finding a better job, there's not much you can do to stop them. You need to stop them before they apply elsewhere, possibly even before they think about applying elsewhere.
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 23:10
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Kung Pow !
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 01:03
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Theres no mass exodus. A bunch of legacy airlines who recruit once every 8-10 years are taking a dozen or so this month, maybe even this week, and somehow via PPRuNe that translates to 12 pilots leaving per week and wow 652 leaving this year.

That figure seems slightly in disagreement with the 2.5% (90 per year) the analysts, the AOA and the company agree with.
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 01:13
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Theres no mass exodus. A bunch of legacy airlines who recruit once every 8-10 years are taking a dozen or so this month, maybe even this week, and somehow via PPRuNe that translates to 12 pilots leaving per week and wow 652 leaving this year.

That figure seems slightly in disagreement with the 2.5% (90 per year) the analysts, the AOA and the company agree with.

Morning coffee,

Air Canada looking for 450 in 2018
Ryanair looking for 700 in 2018-19
Easyjet looking for 500 2018
Qantas recruiting 200 now
VietJet 400 now
BA 400 2018-19 ( upper age limit 49 )
Virgin Atlantic 150
Virgian Australia 80

US Airlines THOUSANDS by 2020
Dragonair 200 in 2018
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 01:25
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They don't give a s#@t. Bonuses locked in, and then they are gone.
Gone where? Given the track record, the only pathway I see for them is selling Coca-Cola beverages in another part of Swire. I cannot see how any airline would possibly hire ex-CX management, with the very small exception of some select staff that could present quantifiable proof of their value.

Well, maybe some state-run airlines. And EK, EY, QR, seem to have no basis in reality either. I guess there is an airline career after CX for non-flight staff.
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 02:17
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A bunch of legacy airlines who recruit once every 8-10 years are taking a dozen or so this month, maybe even this week,
Well you only need to look at Qantas and Virgin in Australia to see that they are recruiting quite heavily.
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 04:12
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Morningcoffee. Don't you have your management meeting to attend this morning? Hurry along now.
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 05:01
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Originally Posted by morningcoffee View Post
Theres no mass exodus. A bunch of legacy airlines who recruit once every 8-10 years are taking a dozen or so this month, maybe even this week, and somehow via PPRuNe that translates to 12 pilots leaving per week and wow 652 leaving this year.

That figure seems slightly in disagreement with the 2.5% (90 per year) the analysts, the AOA and the company agree with.
Ummmm yeah.

Many of my good friends are gone. Many more are most definitely on their heels. And even more on THOSE heels.

And there even well might be things tugging at my feet too.

I’ve never seen things like this. Ever. And there’s no way in hell any training pipeline — even if it were working and expanding normally — can keep up with it. And even that’s assuming one could find recruits to begin with on C scale with all that has been happening over the past few years and still playing out. So it appears the plan to hire folks who’ll live on a shoestring and never say no ain’t exactly playing out as planned. The not so funny part is that the management could have made peace with the TU — or even left things well enough alone and done nothing — and things would have played out much better than they have.

Are you the guy who makes up all those numbers in the charts and graphs that have been floating around lately ? Or are you the fuel guy ?
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 05:09
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Brilliant!
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 05:11
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And I ask everyone of my colleagues: what are YOU going to be doing this holiday season?
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 05:52
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Morningcoffe is the only sober voice in here.

In typical style, B and A scalers are waiting for others to leave, knowing that those who stay will benefit from gains brought about by those leaving.

Which is why there will never be a mass exodus. Everybody standing around waiting for someone to do something while the house burns around them.
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 05:59
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<<And there even well might be things tugging at my feet too>>.



How will we cope ?
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 06:19
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quadspeed. They are leaving. So what is your point?
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