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Dear Anna, Rupert...et al. Do you hear the approaching thunder...?

Old 25th Oct 2017, 17:46
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FACTS what facts??
This is all FAKE NEWS no one including management know what's ahead . It's all BS made up by cretins on blogs such as this which have damaged CX. Are you proud of yourselves doing your best to destroy the hand that feeds you. You accuse Anna and her colleagues of not leading and taking a pay cut but you lot are no better! Not one of you has resigned but you get on here and tell all the young pilots who are just starting their careers to either not come here or resign . Where's the leadership amongst you lot??If it wasn't so sad it would be funny . What a mob of chicken shit hypocrites.
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ahhh, hello management troll. Apparently your buttons been pushed? That's the problem with your entire group of failed management cretins: you can't see the truth if it struck you square in the face, mainly due to the fact that a career based on deception and lies prevents you from recognising truth. The FACTS are that it is the MANAGEMENT that has damaged this airline, possibly fatally. Through grossly incompetent financial disasters such as Fuel Hedging, Currency Hedging, to destroying our product, alienating customers, killing our frequent flier program, and now, causing a crewing crisis that is about to become critical, the damage has been done by YOU and YOURS.

The FACTS are that you and your kind have spent 25 years denigrating and marginalising your most valuable group of employees, the people who are highly skilled and usually commit their entire careers to their employer: the pilots. Then, you missed the FACT that the situation regarding a developing worldwide pilot shortage was slowly closing a vice around your long held delusion that pilots would 'always' come to and stay at CX. Then you chose that very moment to attack your most valuable group of pilots, the C and T's, just at that inflection point when most of us either don't care if we stay anymore, or have other opportunities to go to back in our home countries. FACT.

As for 'accussing' Anna and her cohorts of not taking a pay cut? Listen up moron: that is what REAL leaders do: they take the FIRST cuts BEFORE they burden their employees. You know, that old 'leading by example' thing. And as for 'Us being no better'. That comment just shows how out of touch you are. We as a group have been taking cuts FOR 25 YEARS. And regarding 'not one of you has resigned'. What planet ARE you on? The resignation rate has hit historically high levels, and is now only going to get worse from hereon in. Nearly all of the mid seniority level pilots (500 up to 3000) are ACTIVELY looking for new jobs. And guess what?, they are finding there are MANY attractive options. In case it's escaped your notice (and i'm sure it has, as you are obviously thick), CX has managed to endorse a policy that seems designed to 'chase away' their own pilots, and repel anyone with any sense from applying. Compare that to other carriers around the world who's managements have recognised the coming crewing crisis and are positively making their companies and career offers attractive and desirable. The Swire's are truly proving just how unfit for purpose they are. The young pilots around the world have had their "CX mythology" broken, and it won't be returning. The name of this airline is 'mud' in every corner of the planet. Oh, and btw, we don't have to 'tell' the young pilots to either not come here or resign, they are figuring that all out by themselves.

As for leadership amongst 'our lot'. Well, you see it here on PPRuNe, where many of us are giving those around the world, and within the airline the unadulterated truth, helping them realise that to have a stable and productive career they must move, sooner rather than later. The 'mob of chicken sh*t' hypocrites are the likes of you, Anna, Rupert et al who are attempting to pad their own bank balances on the backs of the very employees who actually keep the airline running. That is not only hypocritical, but venal and immoral. Nice company you keep. And oh, btw, your post has just shown in all it's glorious technicolour just how panicked, delusional and ultimately doomed to failure you will all be. The scales have been cleared away from our eyes, and most of us are now not only not really caring anymore, but won't even be here much longer TO care. See what you and your 'mob' have sown? Deal with it. The storm is almost here, and it will flatten your house. I realise that you couldn't make it here in London, so you're struggling in HK. Based on your hysterics, you really need to apply to the council back home while they still have jobs available for parking wardens. Now, down to the pub where I will drink a pint to the demise of you and your kind.

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Old 25th Oct 2017, 18:15
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I rest my case! RESIGN!!!!
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 18:35
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Well, he would have to stand in line with all the other hundreds of pilots about to do the same! Seriously xpdr777, you are making a fool of yourself. Screaming "RESIGN" and "MENTAL ILLNESS" and "DANGEROUS" has only confirmed that you are in need of a long rest by the seaside. Funny how you can't address the facts that have just been laid out with clarity for you. But that is typical of your entire management group. Deluded, arrogant, incompetent and ultimately doomed to failure (professionally and in life, as no one with such little integrity and character will succeed in either case).
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 18:41
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Fantastic rebuttal xpdr. Brilliant debate of the facts. In awe.
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 20:35
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There has always been this perception amongst airline management that all you had to do was shake the tree and any number of highly qualified pilots would drop out just dying to work for you .
That is no longer the case , there are now vacancies everywhere ,I have never seen so many jobs advertised on the Internet . Airlines are running short of one vital commodity "PILOTS" , especially trained pilots . It takes years to train a pilot to a suitable standard and new pilots are being put off entering the workplace due to high training costs , poor starting salaries , and lousy working conditions .
So where the airlines are going to get pilots over the next 15 years I do not know
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 21:20
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If the past is any indication of how things will pan out, the problem will be in the hands of their successors.

Reducing the housing costs will be a major "win" for them and they will likely be re-appointed to another well suited Swire toy box to play with.

Fitness centers perhaps???
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 21:25
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xpndr777,

Thanks for describing yourself and your management colleagues

" including management know what's ahead . It's all BS made up by cretins"

Thats exactly what your latest plans are and you are correct , none of you have the brains to realise what's ahead.
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 22:44
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Originally Posted by xpndr777 View Post
I rest my case! RESIGN!!!!
WOW! What a,juvenile response to a well presented post.If this douchebag is really management, just highlights the level of intelligence of some of these managers.

Resign you say? I will most definitely by year's end, it's just not worth it anymore. And guess what, many more around my vintage will be doing same by next year as soon as they have finalised their exit strategy. Cx is going to be caught with their pants down. Wait and see.

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Old 25th Oct 2017, 22:46
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Xpdr777. Even as and when most of us DO resign, we will still enjoy posting daily on PPRuNe exactly why we left, and why no one in their right mind should join. I left 4 months ago and I feel it my duty to advise all and sundry just what a poor choice joining CX would be. No one should have to endure a minute of their precious careers being beholden to malignant idiots such as yourself (and the rest of CX management). You have created the tornado, you can enjoy being thrown around inside the funnel.
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 22:50
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I should also add that my new employer is hoping to take as many qualified pilots from CX as possible. The manager I spoke with in detail about the conditions at CX had a hard time believing that any airline management would be behaving that way at a time when hiring suitable pilots was more difficult than any time in the past 40 years. He termed it "Corporate Suicide". Verbatim.
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 23:02
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xpdr777. So you are now suggesting that employees who disagree with our management 'group think' are to be considered 'dangerous' and 'mentally ill'? Congratulations, you have now just joined the esteemed company of the Nazi and Soviet regimes, who both condemned people with the same labels for standing up to their tyranny. Any other noble accomplishments you are hoping to achieve this week?
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Guys, A great mate in CX asked me to log onto this site and give you guys a heads up about flying for China Southern.
I was formerly on the 777 with them based in China but two years ago moved over to the 787 base in Vancouver. In the LHS I earn and am paid in USD378K last year and USD362K in 2016. That is tax free in Canada as I pay 6% tax in China but this is refunded by the company at the end of each year. I am based in YVR and the other 2 pilots are normally Canadian Chinese also based in YVR. Cabin crew are from China and often Shanghai based on a W pattern.
The aircraft are brand spanking new and a joy to operate.
I get 6 weeks leave per year and can take this as and when I like providing I give one months roster advance notice. You always get you requested leave.
My roster is published on the first of every month for the next month but being YVR based is fairly predictable with 3.5 return flights per month and two days paid standby. This last year I have had pretty well every weekend off with my family.
I have met the Chief Pilot once and renew the various ratings once a year at a one week refresher training week. Staff travel is excellent and covers just about every airline in the world ( including CX ). Captains travel business class at all times when positioning which is rare in my case. You can change base giving one years notice. So for example my eldest is starting uni in UK next year and I have applied to move to AMS. It has been granted already and I keep my USD salary.
Paul asked me to comment on the horror stories. truthfully there aren't any in my case. I find the company easy to communicate with. They listen and pamper almost every request. The few times I do fly with China based FO's they are well mannered, impecably turned out and do their job well. I believe you have a different story in CX with the "spikey hair brigade ?"
I had reservations about leaving my old outfit in Japan but have never looked back. China Southern is very forward thinking, respects it's pilot workforce and rewards us fairly. No union of course but then I hear you don't have an effective one either.
I was asked to write this and am happy to do so.The grass is greener over here. Relatively stress free, good rewards and RESPECT. I'll keep going here until I have to retire.

Good luck to you all.
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Old 26th Oct 2017, 04:32
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xpdr777:

You said
This is all FAKE NEWS
Classic shrillness that is relied upon by the Left (and others) when you cannot debate the actual facts.
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This is it.

The final battle has begun, after attacking our profession for the past 25 years, they have now come to pick up the bits and pieces, the crumbs on the table.

They are coming for your homes, health, pensions and lifestyles.

You can either pick up your lives and run, as most of us are currently preparing to do, or fight this last fight.

Its your choice.
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Old 26th Oct 2017, 05:37
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Not either or. Both. I, and most of my direct peer group are going to fight them tooth and nail, and aim to cause as much pain and damage as possible (holiday plans with CX would be foolhardy). At the same time, we are ALL actively seeking new employment. It is quite amazing to canvas my colleagues and find that not ONE of them is planning on staying. CX has no idea of the devastation to their pilot ranks that is about to unfold. They have pushed us one step too far, and we are done. None of us are willing to chance our careers and our families futures on the false promises of a discredited and proven group of liars and bullies. Good riddance. I am eagerly looking forward to my first day at my new employer. Can't come soon enough.
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Originally Posted by xpndr777 View Post
FACTS what facts??
This is all FAKE NEWS no one including management know what's ahead . It's all BS made up by cretins on blogs such as this which have damaged CX. Are you proud of yourselves doing your best to destroy the hand that feeds you. You accuse Anna and her colleagues of not leading and taking a pay cut but you lot are no better! Not one of you has resigned but you get on here and tell all the young pilots who are just starting their careers to either not come here or resign . Where's the leadership amongst you lot??If it wasn't so sad it would be funny . What a mob of chicken shit hypocrites.
FNG,

Facts? Iíll give you facts.
If a dozen rather smelly turds, vacuum packed into air tight bags and placed into storage boxes in the janitorís closet on the 9th floor had of been managing this company for the past 5 years, then the company would be in better shape than it is today. Fact. Either they are deliberately running the company into the ground or they are hopelessly incompetent. Either way, they need to go.

The real Cathay Pacific are the 35,000 employees and every single one of them wants this company to thrive. Actively agitating for the removal of the current senior management team is being pro-company.
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Even simpler:

They pretend to treat me with respect and pay me,

and in return:

I'll pretend to work, but only on the days it suits me.
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Old 26th Oct 2017, 14:50
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Angel So why are you still in CX

Oh Dear... God bless you all, where do I start?
You're not happy with your:
1- Roster,
2- Pay,
3- Medical support,
4- Housing and school benefits,
5- Future,
6- Management (or the lack of it)

Then would one of you, hot heads, tell the world:- Why are you still working for CX? Do you really enjoy Stress that much?
You are all like your AOA, full of hot air...

Are we gonna hear in the news that 300 pilots resigned together? Of course not. Now run along and go fighting Typhoons.
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Old 26th Oct 2017, 15:20
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Thank you for a concise summation: It helps those still wavering to conclude that they do need to leave. Now why don't you run along and go and style another camel.

(there, that make you happier?. Just being geographically correct. I'd call you a snowflake, but wouldn't last long where you live).

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