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Dear Anna, Rupert...et al. Do you hear the approaching thunder...?

Old 27th Oct 2017, 01:48
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XNPDR777

Retired 10years ago? what BS!

Anyone that has been here through the 49er fiasco would not sit there and defend management in the manner that you do, unless you were a management pilot.
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Old 27th Oct 2017, 03:06
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I don't post often but I have been here a long time. I enjoy PPRuNe as a place to allow people to vent. I do not enjoy personal abuse against anyone. If XP says he is a retired CN I accept that on face value. I also remember what I was told long ago about what percentage of stuff to believe from what you read and what you hear. Google it up it's good advice. I am sure that XP is well aware of the strange decisions that have been made by t'management and I am also sure he is aware how factionalised we are. It is really sink and swim together or float together time lads and lasses.
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Old 27th Oct 2017, 03:16
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Well, the hoo-haw is certainly widespread on all levels.

Was over at Disneyland with the family the other day.

When we ran into Mickey Mouse he was wearing a Cathay Pacific watch.
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Old 27th Oct 2017, 03:22
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Well Shep I usually understand most of what you scribe but this one I have no idea what you mean. What is 'hoo-haw'?
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Old 27th Oct 2017, 03:48
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I am sure that XP is well aware of the strange decisions that have been made by t'management
You call the firing of the 49ers a strange decision? You obviously have no clue.
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Old 27th Oct 2017, 03:49
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They were different management and whilst that was a disgusting decision were we completely blameless?
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Old 27th Oct 2017, 05:31
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Really? So a workforce that's trying to prevent its conditions from being slashed is to blame? We've tried the nice approach since 2004, that has got us nowhere also. The lies, the power, the control, the manipulation of financial figures, etc... that hasn't changed. So no we are not to blame. Amazes me how some are so sympathetic toward management, talk about Stockholm syndrome.
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Old 27th Oct 2017, 06:27
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Dragon. You can't fix stupid.
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Old 27th Oct 2017, 12:03
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Or honest.
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Old 27th Oct 2017, 12:53
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S-2. Honestly, I think there is an element of victim blaming.....
Management: Just another scorpion. Same same, but different.
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Old 27th Oct 2017, 13:43
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I think it was Ed Rottington that once famously stated that the company would continue to attack pay and COS until the pilots pushed back hard enough . At that stage they would know that they had got it about right
Strikes me it's time for a massive push back
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Old 27th Oct 2017, 15:55
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Never fear. We’re transporting the HK Gay Games reps to Paris to help facilitate their bid. All is well and we should therefore rest easy.
Hey Traf. Are you up for the 2000 mètres. ?
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Old 28th Oct 2017, 01:59
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Originally Posted by ANTIPHOLUS View Post
Never fear. We’re transporting the HK Gay Games reps to Paris to help facilitate their bid. All is well and we should therefore rest easy.
Hey Traf. Are you up for the 2000 mètres. ?
Are they going to paint the AC with a giant rainbow ?
Are those on the 3rd floor with skin in the game (no pun intended) going to fly the aircraft..

Makes ones stomach turn
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Old 28th Oct 2017, 02:23
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Skin in the game; yes , a special team has been mustered. This is bound to turn our fortunes around overnight, as it will be a massive hit with the travelling public, especially our Chinese punters..not..

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Old 28th Oct 2017, 02:48
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Expect a few disqualifications in the Leapfrog events.
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Old 29th Oct 2017, 07:42
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OK, here's the deal guys. A long time ago the Western carriers used to rule supreme. Then along came the Asian carriers who smashed them, followed by the ME carriers who smashed them, who are starting to be smashed by mainland Chinese carriers and Western carriers again. The Chinese have low costs and have money to burn, and the Western carriers are cashing in on low fuel bills and will ultimately benefit from "hub smashing" aircraft ( 787, 777X etc).

My point is....Cathay will retreat to some extent and become a niche player. I concede that may be happening quicker than some expected due poor fuel hedging etc. They need to maintain a high quality product and probably reduce in size. The current A & B scalers should ride it out as long as possible. New joiners should do everything possible to get some experience and get into a quality Western carrier ASAP.

The Chinese carriers pay big money but there is a HUGE amount of risk across the board. Don't go there unless you can afford to be on your arse in 6 months. You definitely need a backup plan to go there. I would recommend getting into a Western carrier ASAP and exploring the Chinese option on a leave without pay basis should that ever become available.
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Old 29th Oct 2017, 07:59
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"The Chinese carriers pay big money but there is a HUGE amount of risk across the board. Don't go there unless you can afford to be on your arse in 6 months. You definitely need a backup plan to go there. I would recommend getting into a Western carrier ASAP and exploring the Chinese option on a leave without pay basis should that ever become available"

Yes Yes. Toooo much risk. Better to stay on at CX and slowly, ever so slowly become poor and housebroke over a very long period of time so that when you expire from radiation induced cancer you can pass on that 600 sq/ft 1.5 bedroom North facing Tuen Mun flat that is still 50% in negative equity,, (Much like Chinese water torture but with a mortgage)
What a plan...

SLIDO, with DFOs assistance will help us all get through this !

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