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What is harder than flying? Giving BJs, illegally fixing cargo prices, or profitably fuel hedging? The first two, I would imagine, are notably easier. Fuel hedging seems like it might be challenging, but those blue-collar imbeciles at Southwest seem to get it right most of the time. On that note, I'm not sure making money as the sole legacy carrier hubbing out of Hong Kong is very difficult at all. Not to take anything away from our Swire masters, excuse me I meant managers.
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What is harder than flying? Giving BJs, illegally fixing cargo prices, or profitably fuel hedging? The first two, I would imagine, are notably easier. Fuel hedging seems like it might be challenging, but those blue-collar imbeciles at Southwest seem to get it right most of the time. On that note, I'm not sure making money as the sole legacy carrier hubbing out of Hong Kong is very difficult at all. Not to take anything away from our Swire masters, excuse me I meant managers.
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the company has been nice over all this, the guy has merely been fired. They have concluded it didn't occur in flight. So it isn't a gross negligence/safety issue and CAA aren't involved in a criminal conviction, so he isn't looking a court appearance, he keeps his P fund which he wouldn't if found guilty, he has the ability to fly again somewhere else as he keeps his licence, which he wouldn't if found guilty. Kindly he also isn't sued for damages by the company which would bankrupt him, and then some.
Anyone here who seriously doesn't think that his actions damaged the reputation of the company and that a bunch of lawyers couldn't put a dollar figure on the cost of said damages needs their head examined.
the company has been nice over all this, the guy has merely been fired. They have concluded it didn't occur in flight. So it isn't a gross negligence/safety issue and CAA aren't involved in a criminal conviction, so he isn't looking a court appearance, he keeps his P fund which he wouldn't if found guilty, he has the ability to fly again somewhere else as he keeps his licence, which he wouldn't if found guilty. Kindly he also isn't sued for damages by the company which would bankrupt him, and then some.
Anyone here who seriously doesn't think that his actions damaged the reputation of the company and that a bunch of lawyers couldn't put a dollar figure on the cost of said damages needs their head examined.
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The said ex-CX pilot did something really stupid, but firing him seems a bit harsh to me, let alone bankrupting him or dragging his ass through the courts.
There could have been a whole raft of other available punishments. The company could have sent a strong message without the use of the ultimate power. Suspension, downgrade, public statement, whatever.
I think the ultimate act of firing someone should be reserved for flagrant and dangerous deriliction of duty, or repeated demonstrations of complete incompetence.
There could have been a whole raft of other available punishments. The company could have sent a strong message without the use of the ultimate power. Suspension, downgrade, public statement, whatever.
I think the ultimate act of firing someone should be reserved for flagrant and dangerous deriliction of duty, or repeated demonstrations of complete incompetence.
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^^^maybe I'm lacking in understanding but how in the world could someone be sued or criminally convicted based on stolen evidence ? If someone were to break into your house, steal information and then publish it what criminal court would allow this to be admitted as evidence ? Or if an individual were to walk into someone's office, rifle through their desk, and take information and release it what court would allow this to be admitted ? It seems to me at least one criminal act was committed by the one who stole and released the photos--AND how could stolen photos have unquestionable credibility ?
Sad situation for everyone and judgment lacking everywhere. THIS guy seems to have gotten away with it (AND gave us the autopilot to boot):
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Anyway goes to show that in low judgment situations pilots, scorned women, and cameras can be a very bad combination. Hopefully what is left of this sticky situation will blow over.
Sad situation for everyone and judgment lacking everywhere. THIS guy seems to have gotten away with it (AND gave us the autopilot to boot):
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Anyway goes to show that in low judgment situations pilots, scorned women, and cameras can be a very bad combination. Hopefully what is left of this sticky situation will blow over.
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Disgraceful behaviour by both crew members. These are not kids and taking shots in the cockpit of their company's airplane is NOT A MISTAKE but a wilful act for self gratification. Images stolen from his computer, possible but unlikely.
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Kal, that's a bit strong. He's been a bit silly but from what I hear the event happened on a turnaround a little while ago when he was dating said girl. Current girlfriend found the photo's on his computer, took photo's of the computer screen with her phone and sent them to a bunch of people.
If you take a good look at the photo's then you can see that they're obviously of a computer screen and not the actual photo's as taken.
I think firing them was a bit too much, the company had plenty of other punishment's available.
If you take a good look at the photo's then you can see that they're obviously of a computer screen and not the actual photo's as taken.
I think firing them was a bit too much, the company had plenty of other punishment's available.
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Very sad
Reading through all of this is just stomach churning, the issues here are one of self respect. The arrogance of photographing something like this is in itself utterly depraved. I don't care where it was taken or who was involved. People should have a little more respect for themselves and for others. The schoolboy attitude that exists around the cock pit is at most boring and puerile. Grow up and be men for gods sake!
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Cost the company very little financially? Do you have any idea how in any business publicity of this nature damages reputation not to mention the losses from the ad campaign badly timed? Regardless of any toilet humor or lad-to-lad indulgence back slapping going on over this we are supposed to be professionals and that behavior screams irresponsible in all directions. Any professional in any job would be fired for the same behavior. They made a stupid mistake and they paid the price. You may not mind as a colleague being tarred with the same brush but some of us do. Do what you do to lick your fragile egos in your own time and keep your private indulgence private! Its not Cathay's fault this came out, it some ego driven playboy who need to keep photographic evidence of his conquests to feel like a man! Obviously the hedonistic lifestyle the job offers has created such desensitisation that the kicks need to be bigger and bigger each time.
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I notice you don't have much to say about:
you aren't by any chance (mis)management are you? 
Cost the company very little financially? Do you have any idea how in any business publicity of this nature damages reputation not to mention the losses from the ad campaign badly timed?
Look at all the management FU's that have happened. Has even one of them been sacked? $60 million USD in fines!!!!!! Yet NO ONE in senior management has been sacked for that. There is no way this has cost the company that much. It just seems there is two roads with discipline, one for management and one for the rest.