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Living away from Asia for ten years now meant I havent set foot on a CX flight in these ten years. But judging from what you guys are saying, seems CX really is just a shadow of its previous self? I used to fly CX a whole lot and it was neck to neck with SQ my two fav airlines (and I travelled alot for my work then and flew all sorts of airlines). My GF (later wife) who was a CX cabin crew had never mentioned anything about this cockpit versus cabin crew war ever! And she used to jump seat back to TAipei often on her days off. I used to ride the crewbus with her even (she would ask the Captain if it was ok, and yes its the CAptain to ask and not the FO or the FE or the Chief). I never got the impression from her that there ever was a problem such as you guys are talking about. And I dont think the girls were heavily HK girls then either. I guess the airline really is aptly named as suggested here "Mongkok Airways".
Would things have been different if the FD crew were HK-nese too?
I would agree that things will improve if they go back to employing girls from all the Asian nations CX flies too again.
However, although you guys on the FD get peeved, I really dont think its a surprise that the cabin crew (who are mostly ladies) will flock around their mother hen (the ISM) rather then the FD (who are mostly men and dont do the same duties they do). Sure the CAptain is CAptain of his ship but you guys are never going to be part of the swabbies in a big way. Get over it
The ISM is the Chief swabbie. YOu guys are the bridge. Maybe you should make friends with your dreaded Freighter pilot buds?
Hey its your office and you guys live the life. I am just walking freight. What do I know. But this thread certainly is interesting none-the-less.
Thanks for reading my one cent (less then two cents) worth.
Would things have been different if the FD crew were HK-nese too?
I would agree that things will improve if they go back to employing girls from all the Asian nations CX flies too again.
However, although you guys on the FD get peeved, I really dont think its a surprise that the cabin crew (who are mostly ladies) will flock around their mother hen (the ISM) rather then the FD (who are mostly men and dont do the same duties they do). Sure the CAptain is CAptain of his ship but you guys are never going to be part of the swabbies in a big way. Get over it
The ISM is the Chief swabbie. YOu guys are the bridge. Maybe you should make friends with your dreaded Freighter pilot buds? Hey its your office and you guys live the life. I am just walking freight. What do I know. But this thread certainly is interesting none-the-less.
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flying J class as a full fare pax, in jeans and shirt happened to have my flt bag with me........when the MongKok girl forgot to take my drinks order i asked why no drinks for me ??? the key reason given to me ...wah ! mistaa you have pilot bag..you cannot drink wha !.....
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For a pilot working for a major european airline with, thank God, quite good CRM, it's very interesting to read how things work elsewhere in the world. I am, however, quite astounded by the things I read in this threat and I can hardly believe it. We, too, have chinese CC on our routes to China and HK who are generally very friendly and not rude at all. Some could improve their English a bit, but other than that, everything 's fine.
Now I do realize that things are different at different outfits, but maybe one of you CX guys could explain to me: why do you tolerate such behaviour? In my company any captain worthy of his bars would have kicked their *sses off the bus and called in standbys.
Again, they would have been relieved from duty and placed in coach for the rest of the flight.
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...All of the girls who had ignored us didn't even smile and just sat on their mobile phones chatting. Utter rudeness.
I also had to make 2 calls to the back at some point, none of them understood my basic english and in the end I gave up and called the ISM and got her to do what I was requesting! She then came up to the flight deck and said this is a huge problem she is facing with them not understanding basic english.
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Don. I'm afraid I am unable to refute any of the stories told above. I can relate to and have experienced each and every situation I have read so far.
The 'CC on the mobile on the crew bus out to the aircraft while being briefed' is an age old chestnut. Thankfully, most of us are clamping down on that now. It does, however, typify the lack of respect from the junior crew - unfortunately, especially/mostly the HKG CC.
As far as kicking them off - that would really cause a stir in CX. With the punitive culture that is prevalent, the Capt would not come out very well. Additionally, the CC culture is also very punitive and there is a 'report anyone' mentality. And along with that goes a certain fear of kicking ass in case that very junior crew decides to report his/her head purser for any transgression. If there is one thing CX is good at, instilling a fear culture is it!
The 'CC on the mobile on the crew bus out to the aircraft while being briefed' is an age old chestnut. Thankfully, most of us are clamping down on that now. It does, however, typify the lack of respect from the junior crew - unfortunately, especially/mostly the HKG CC.
As far as kicking them off - that would really cause a stir in CX. With the punitive culture that is prevalent, the Capt would not come out very well. Additionally, the CC culture is also very punitive and there is a 'report anyone' mentality. And along with that goes a certain fear of kicking ass in case that very junior crew decides to report his/her head purser for any transgression. If there is one thing CX is good at, instilling a fear culture is it!
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Hmm.....Our former Chief Pilot kicked off the bus 2 girls that were yapping on their mobile phones. Despite them apologising immediately, he stood his ground, offloaded the girls and made an example of them. Nothing was said or done.
If the girls are rude enough to disrespect the Capt., then they deserve to be offloaded. If they're pissed off at their pathetic pay and conditions, they have two choices; (1) Harden the fcuk up, or (2) Express their displeasement with their Personnel Manager and Union. It's about time they grow up and act as adults and not as spoilt bimbos. There is no excuse acceptable to disrespect any fellow crew member, starting from the Capt. to the most junior crew member.
'em !
If the girls are rude enough to disrespect the Capt., then they deserve to be offloaded. If they're pissed off at their pathetic pay and conditions, they have two choices; (1) Harden the fcuk up, or (2) Express their displeasement with their Personnel Manager and Union. It's about time they grow up and act as adults and not as spoilt bimbos. There is no excuse acceptable to disrespect any fellow crew member, starting from the Capt. to the most junior crew member.
'em !
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A few years ago I was PX/DT'ing (whatever they call it this week) to BKK.A few weeks after this I received a letter stating that as an ID90 passenger I had accepted an amenities kit & would I care to explain myself.(This was in the days when you had to decline a kit if offered.) I replied that I accepted no amenities kit & that I was on duty, not staff travel.One of the CC had gone out of their way to try to drop me in the s@#t. I am sure others have their own stories similar to this one.
CX CC are in a class of there own but are in no way representative of the HK population in general who are very nice people. CX train them to dislike the pilots. Amazing.
CX CC are in a class of there own but are in no way representative of the HK population in general who are very nice people. CX train them to dislike the pilots. Amazing.
yeah..............I've had some wonderful trips where the new CC come outside for a walk around with their cameras and come up to the cockpit for t/o and ldg. Big smiles and a good time had by all.
They can also be outright rude, it's a bit hit or miss really.
Any CC that was raised in a western country tend to be very good.
Still, it helps my marraige in the long run ( and my wallet )
Gotta stop lusting after those fine looking 23 y.o;s
They can also be outright rude, it's a bit hit or miss really.
Any CC that was raised in a western country tend to be very good.
Still, it helps my marraige in the long run
( and my wallet )Gotta stop lusting after those fine looking 23 y.o;s
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Hi fac6,
I know what you're trying to achieve but you wont get thanked for it, nor will they appreciate it. Actually the girls are so bitchy that you can bet your bottom dollar that the ones who sat on the flight deck got attitude from the rest of the crew. I have seen it!
An SP told me 3 days ago that around 700 junior cabin crew left right after they received their profit share.
But we are not short of crew
I know what you're trying to achieve but you wont get thanked for it, nor will they appreciate it. Actually the girls are so bitchy that you can bet your bottom dollar that the ones who sat on the flight deck got attitude from the rest of the crew. I have seen it!
An SP told me 3 days ago that around 700 junior cabin crew left right after they received their profit share.
But we are not short of crew
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H Aviator. I stand corrected then. Well done to the former CP. Although, the cynical side of me would still say that a non-management Capt may not get away with it so easily. I'd like to be proven wrong though, and the precedent has been set it seems.....
By the way, speaking of FORMER CP's, did he have some farewell drinks lately? Was the bar overflowing with sympathites?
Time traveller - glad to hear the Oasis crew were nice. Maybe I was a bit harsh, but most of the problem crew I have dealt with have been HKG crew.
By the way, speaking of FORMER CP's, did he have some farewell drinks lately? Was the bar overflowing with sympathites?
Time traveller - glad to hear the Oasis crew were nice. Maybe I was a bit harsh, but most of the problem crew I have dealt with have been HKG crew.
off off dim and off:--------- sorry but it's a fact, any CC that has a "western" background is in the same playing field as us. Sorry to be direct but that's an indisputeable fact. Just like the local CC get along with the LEP better. I have lost count of the number of times the local SO disappears with the CC to slurp noodles WITHOUT asking any of the rest of us along.
I accept that fact, maybe you should take off your glasses and look around.
I wasn't meaning that our Western raised CC are better, just that they understand us and communicate better. And for us that's AS GOOD AS IT'S GUNNA GET.
I accept that fact, maybe you should take off your glasses and look around.
I wasn't meaning that our Western raised CC are better, just that they understand us and communicate better. And for us that's AS GOOD AS IT'S GUNNA GET.
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ITS one thing to have C/A that are good for a chat and maybe a drink or at least act in a civilized manner. But if it was a case of bringing your own (young and good looking) girls to every port for nocturnal activities? IF pilots were consistently successful in that respect with the C/A , then everyone would want to be a pilot. 
Should get real. They are not there for that purpose.
MAybe there should be only male C/A? Then no issues about 'crew feeling' or forming a wolf pack down at the bar after the flight?
Should get real. They are not there for that purpose.
MAybe there should be only male C/A? Then no issues about 'crew feeling' or forming a wolf pack down at the bar after the flight?
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Just dont EVER expect to get anything - at all that is -that reminds you of ANY normal European airline in terms of working enviroment with Cathay Pacific Airways. If you wanna hang out and have something of a normal intelligent (sorry "normal" in this context it "western") social life at work - you have come to the wrong place, Mate. Its just not happenin here!
Even if you do end up going out with the "crew" in say Joburg og Frankfurt - its a Mickey Mouse thing - sure thing, its culture - never the less - it absolutly nothing to write home about - unless you fancy Mickey.
Who the f... wants to eat noodles with that local SO and a 21 years old Honkie anyways (speak about Mickey!)..
Even if you do end up going out with the "crew" in say Joburg og Frankfurt - its a Mickey Mouse thing - sure thing, its culture - never the less - it absolutly nothing to write home about - unless you fancy Mickey.
Who the f... wants to eat noodles with that local SO and a 21 years old Honkie anyways (speak about Mickey!)..
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rick.shaw,
I know a STC on our fleet that offloaded the ISM - there had been a disagreement between them whilst on their way to the aircraft, he felt she was being rude to him, and ordered the SP to take over. She finally walked off the plane at about 20 mins before pushback. He has done this twice now. I applaud him for taking a stand and reminding the 'guilty' what are the ranks of the Chain of Command - ISM is #5, not #1 or 2, as some think they are.
Um, dunno, I wasn't in the vicinity.
Just like yourself, I find that the HKG based crews are the ones that act like Mongkok specials. I've heard that they are trained from ground school to dislike us - not sure whether that is fact or just someone's opinion. I would like to think the latter.
It's been my experience that the based crews seem much more approachable than the HKG based ones albeit as others have said, it's more or less a hit-and-miss.
Personally, I agree 110% with ACMS,
and Yeager
....to each his own...
Although, the cynical side of me would still say that a non-management Capt may not get away with it so easily. I'd like to be proven wrong though, and the precedent has been set it seems.....
By the way, speaking of FORMER CP's, did he have some farewell drinks lately? Was the bar overflowing with sympathites?
Just like yourself, I find that the HKG based crews are the ones that act like Mongkok specials. I've heard that they are trained from ground school to dislike us - not sure whether that is fact or just someone's opinion. I would like to think the latter.
It's been my experience that the based crews seem much more approachable than the HKG based ones albeit as others have said, it's more or less a hit-and-miss.
Personally, I agree 110% with ACMS,
Still, it helps my marraige in the long run ( and my wallet )
unless you fancy Mickey.
I don't want to go out and slurp noodles with the crew BUT it would be nice to be asked every now and then.
Maybe I expect too much courtesy?
Anyway, good trips do come along, just don't hold your breath tooo long waiting.
Maybe I expect too much courtesy?
Anyway, good trips do come along, just don't hold your breath tooo long waiting.
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Guys I know how most of pilots feel, I work in a airline in South east asia. I am chinese, but speak little chinese, so I converse in english. Most of the time, well all the time...I try to speak to my cabin crew, to get a good atmosphere going therefore good CRM and maybe to make a few friends.
Guess what.... the only people who actually speak to me is the non-chinese crew. the chinese stand in the corner of the galley looking like a retard gauping into our group of "OK- not so hot in english speaking" crew. When you to speak to the chinese crew, you get a mumble and/with attitiude..forget it.
I realised after studying them. most of them are shy and can't speak english (basic english) very well, badly mannered, no culture etc and so they are scared to talk with you...they don;t know what you are talking about most of the time... therefore the reason that they dont ask you for noodle or a cuddle is for that reason..no lost. As for me, I got the cold shoulder, because I am chinese and I dont converse in chinese...they even told me to learn chinese....COLDLY
Really want to Bh slap them.
BUT the non-chinese asian cabin crew can;t speak english very well but ALEAST they try, i cant fault that. AND they tend to go out for drinks etc after work.....no sexual intentions included, well that fine with me.
90% of have attitude problem even the not so hot girls..because they are cabin crew..(NOSE IN THE AIR), they all have mini god complex... HELLO.. iam a pilot, I should be one with the attitude...
Overall chinese girls in Asia have a attitude problem...with a shy complex.
compared with chinese girls out of asia,eg. america, europe etc who has be cultured..
I am sorry if I sound a little racist, but that the truth..after 5yrs of approaching them and trying to talking with them...WASTE OF TIME...
airline in South east asia. I am chinese, but speak little chinese, so I converse in english. Most of the time, well all the time...I try to speak to my cabin crew, to get a good atmosphere going therefore good CRM and maybe to make a few friends. Guess what.... the only people who actually speak to me is the non-chinese crew. the chinese stand in the corner of the galley looking like a retard gauping into our group of "OK- not so hot in english speaking" crew. When you to speak to the chinese crew, you get a mumble and/with attitiude..forget it.
I realised after studying them. most of them are shy and can't speak english (basic english) very well, badly mannered, no culture etc and so they are scared to talk with you...they don;t know what you are talking about most of the time...
therefore the reason that they dont ask you for noodle or a cuddle is for that reason..no lost. As for me, I got the cold shoulder, because I am chinese and I dont converse in chinese...they even told me to learn chinese....COLDLY Really want to Bh slap them.BUT the non-chinese asian cabin crew can;t speak english very well but ALEAST they try, i cant fault that.
AND they tend to go out for drinks etc after work.....no sexual intentions included, well that fine with me.90% of have attitude problem even the not so hot girls..because they are cabin crew..(NOSE IN THE AIR), they all have mini god complex... HELLO.. iam a pilot, I should be one with the attitude...
Overall chinese girls in Asia have a attitude problem...with a shy complex.
compared with chinese girls out of asia,eg. america, europe etc who has be cultured..
I am sorry if I sound a little racist, but that the truth..after 5yrs of approaching them and trying to talking with them...WASTE OF TIME...
The brains of 12-year-olds in the bodies of 24 year-olds.
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