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In old times, CC knew how to entertain front seats...
unfortunately old...
. Come on girls take up the challenge!
Dailymotion - Striptease d'une hôtesse de l'air, a video from bade9292. pute, rap, banlieue, rohff, boon
unfortunately old...
. Come on girls take up the challenge!Dailymotion - Striptease d'une hôtesse de l'air, a video from bade9292. pute, rap, banlieue, rohff, boon
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CumGum,
Nope mate, not leaving until the very, very beginning of next year. Go figure. Just changed fleet to get the the rating. Might as well get the most out of it right. After all, we have been tought so by the masters of that. Go figure again.
Back to the original subject. When will CX start to hire some more Indians?
- they can be a bit of fun.
Nope mate, not leaving until the very, very beginning of next year. Go figure. Just changed fleet to get the the rating. Might as well get the most out of it right. After all, we have been tought so by the masters of that. Go figure again.
Back to the original subject. When will CX start to hire some more Indians?
- they can be a bit of fun.
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The Messiah Do you ever have anything constructive to say? Or do you only believe in making pointless, stupid comments?
So glad I'm not on your fleet, and will never fly with you!
Back to the thread......
I gave up on the CX girls years ago. After numerous attempts at being polite, friendly and evolving all in the "team".... I just couldn't be farked anymore. All I can say is.... My wife NEVER has to worry about me and any of the CX flight attendants.
So glad I'm not on your fleet, and will never fly with you!
Back to the thread......
I gave up on the CX girls years ago. After numerous attempts at being polite, friendly and evolving all in the "team".... I just couldn't be farked anymore. All I can say is.... My wife NEVER has to worry about me and any of the CX flight attendants.
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By Jonathan68 --- well written!
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Ok, I will stick my neck out on this one!
CX has definitely become a far less social airline among crew during my time.
Probably the biggest change was during 1995-1997 when cockpit ULH patterns were shortened to 4 days (so we could get more days off in HKG!!!!), while cabin crew remained in accordance with their contracts. The fact that you went outbound, and then returned with completely different cabin crew tend's to split crews apart. For cockpit crew the day of arrival is the only day to go out, while Cabin crew treat this as a day of rest, and go out the next day.
My more social trips have tended to be the longer ones when you all stay together as a crew, such as 5 or 6 day Jo'burg's, Amsterdam's, Adelaide's, Bahrain's, Penang's etc. These patterns are now ancient history!
However, things are now even more challanging for various reasons.
Our new cabin crew recruits are only paid $79 per hour, for a 100 hour month. This work load does not leave much enthusiasm for going out socialising with anyone on overnight stops! Also when the basic is only 8k, saving overnight allowances to cover living costs is even more important than before.
It is understandable that when staff are so poorly paid they tend to treat their employment as a short term job, rather than a long term career. Hence high levels of sickness, lots of resignations and low levels of motivation at work. This also affects how people fit into a crew.
CX Management have chosen to ignore the fact that it has been an employees market for jobs over the last few years in Hong Kong. They continue to cut back packages for staff, and struggle to fill classes for new cabin crew, by compromising on standards.
With HKG unemployment at 3.3%, and lots of jobs paying far better than CX, our new Cabin Crew recruits are either people who failed to get better jobs, or the minority who just really want to be Cabin crew (despite the pay, etc).
No doubt our longer serving pilots could make the same observation about newer generations of CX pilots, B scaler's, Freighter pilot's, etc. Basically CX get's what it pay's for.
The declining english language skills of our younger crew are an added issue. Current crew list demographics are typically for the bottom 2/3rds of the crew to be all cantonese speakers. Basically the aircraft effectively divides into two seperate operations with the cockpit and senior cabin crew being CX, and the back of the aeroplane becoming Mongkok Airlines.
In the outport these crew prefer to not "change channel" (speak english), so are reluctant to go out with non Cantonese speakers. Maybe if we all learned to speak cantonese we could overcome this!
Nothing is going to change with regard to the social situation, so just accept it. To socialise with cabin crew, it is probably better to latch on to other airline crews. This is definitely a better option, especially if you are married to CX cabin crew!
As a Captain, you have to try and build enough of a team to face the possible challanges of the trip. This is not easy when you only get 5 minutes or so on the crew bus, and half the crew are yakking away on mobile phones etc. You just have to put in the effort to make sure that all the senior crew are comfortable to call you when something goes wrong in the cabin.
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changing all those subjects/objects will become hkcad conditions.
Ok, I will stick my neck out on this one!
CX has definitely become a far less social airline among crew during my time.
Probably the biggest change was during 1995-1997 when cockpit ULH patterns were shortened to 4 days (so we could get more days off in HKG!!!!), while cabin crew remained in accordance with their contracts. The fact that you went outbound, and then returned with completely different cabin crew tend's to split crews apart. For cockpit crew the day of arrival is the only day to go out, while Cabin crew treat this as a day of rest, and go out the next day.
My more social trips have tended to be the longer ones when you all stay together as a crew, such as 5 or 6 day Jo'burg's, Amsterdam's, Adelaide's, Bahrain's, Penang's etc. These patterns are now ancient history!
However, things are now even more challanging for various reasons.
Our new cabin crew recruits are only paid $79 per hour, for a 100 hour month. This work load does not leave much enthusiasm for going out socialising with anyone on overnight stops! Also when the basic is only 8k, saving overnight allowances to cover living costs is even more important than before.
It is understandable that when staff are so poorly paid they tend to treat their employment as a short term job, rather than a long term career. Hence high levels of sickness, lots of resignations and low levels of motivation at work. This also affects how people fit into a crew.
CX Management have chosen to ignore the fact that it has been an employees market for jobs over the last few years in Hong Kong. They continue to cut back packages for staff, and struggle to fill classes for new cabin crew, by compromising on standards.
With HKG unemployment at 3.3%, and lots of jobs paying far better than CX, our new Cabin Crew recruits are either people who failed to get better jobs, or the minority who just really want to be Cabin crew (despite the pay, etc).
No doubt our longer serving pilots could make the same observation about newer generations of CX pilots, B scaler's, Freighter pilot's, etc. Basically CX get's what it pay's for.
The declining english language skills of our younger crew are an added issue. Current crew list demographics are typically for the bottom 2/3rds of the crew to be all cantonese speakers. Basically the aircraft effectively divides into two seperate operations with the cockpit and senior cabin crew being CX, and the back of the aeroplane becoming Mongkok Airlines.
In the outport these crew prefer to not "change channel" (speak english), so are reluctant to go out with non Cantonese speakers. Maybe if we all learned to speak cantonese we could overcome this!
Nothing is going to change with regard to the social situation, so just accept it. To socialise with cabin crew, it is probably better to latch on to other airline crews. This is definitely a better option, especially if you are married to CX cabin crew!
As a Captain, you have to try and build enough of a team to face the possible challanges of the trip. This is not easy when you only get 5 minutes or so on the crew bus, and half the crew are yakking away on mobile phones etc. You just have to put in the effort to make sure that all the senior crew are comfortable to call you when something goes wrong in the cabin.
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changing all those subjects/objects will become hkcad conditions.
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Messiah
Why don't you give the guy some slack? You've by now made the point that you know his identity. Taking cheap shots at him publicly when you yourself hide behind anonymity makes you, sir, a coward. If you disagree, then argue your point. But using his identity to poison your sting is cheap and pathetic.
Most of us obviously don't share Yeagers opinions, but this being a public internet forum and most of us living in what remains of a democratic society entitles him to make his statements. They are, after all, his opinions. He shouldn't have to worry, as you not-so-subtly are implying, that the secret police will be knocking on his door for criticizing a system that, as we all probably agree, could still use some work for the better.
Yeager balances one extreme side of opinions.. It might have gone unnoticed to you, but one cornerstone of democracy allows the accused to know the identity of his accusors.
Why don't you give the guy some slack? You've by now made the point that you know his identity. Taking cheap shots at him publicly when you yourself hide behind anonymity makes you, sir, a coward. If you disagree, then argue your point. But using his identity to poison your sting is cheap and pathetic.
Most of us obviously don't share Yeagers opinions, but this being a public internet forum and most of us living in what remains of a democratic society entitles him to make his statements. They are, after all, his opinions. He shouldn't have to worry, as you not-so-subtly are implying, that the secret police will be knocking on his door for criticizing a system that, as we all probably agree, could still use some work for the better.
Yeager balances one extreme side of opinions.. It might have gone unnoticed to you, but one cornerstone of democracy allows the accused to know the identity of his accusors.
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It's a rumour network and I heard the rumour that he behaved like a first class turd, if that makes me a coward I can live with it.
I don't hide behind anything. Everyone on here posts with anonymity, that's the idea.
I have done no such thing. I have never used his name on here ever (unless his first name is Chuck, then I am guilty as charged), and I have little doubt that Yeager knows my identity in any case, it aint that hard to figure out. I would be happy to tell him he is a first class turd to his face if you would prefer, or shall it be pistols at dawn?
Hey it's just my opinion of him, you don't have to agree but, as I'm sure you are aware another cornerstone of democracy is freedom of speech.
Taking cheap shots at him publicly when you yourself hide behind anonymity makes you, sir, a coward.
But using his identity to poison your sting is cheap and pathetic.
Hey it's just my opinion of him, you don't have to agree but, as I'm sure you are aware another cornerstone of democracy is freedom of speech.
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I have done no such thing. I have never used his name on here ever
Wow [his name] you don't quit do you. You weren't this tough when we flew together, and you weren't that good either.
(The Messiah, 18th June 2007)
(The Messiah, 18th June 2007)
..with your 38th birthday coming and you only being an s/o..
The Messiah, 17th June 2007)
The Messiah, 17th June 2007)
The private message was a heads up that his identity is known in CX. He may need that safety net at SAS sooner than he thinks if he continues to use words like imcompetent when referring to his new boss who he admitted he doesn't even know.(The Messiah, 5th July 2007)
I don't know your identity, nor do I wish to do so. But if I did, it could be quite easy to create a user, based on any email account, and make slanderous accusations and post a few classified documents pretending to be you or someone very similar to you. Would that put your job on the line, or would it seem reasonable to give you the benefit of the doubt as to the origin of those posts?
The point being, things aren't always what they seem. You may even be targeting the wrong guy.
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Oh yeah I forgot about that. 
I guess I must really dislike him.
If that was my motive I would have done it don't you think? That implication is your own paranoia speaking. The PM was genuinely to tell him to wind his neck in, as if I know who he is then so do plenty of others.
Yeah I shouldn't have used his name but he really pi##ed me off.
I guess I must really dislike him.
trying to imply that any of us should be afraid, very afraid, if you and your buddies manage to unmask any of us
Yeah I shouldn't have used his name but he really pi##ed me off.
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No hard feelings Mess,
My opinions may be extrem at some points, as its correctly being noted. You, Mess (and others) , may not like them or the way they are presented, but like everything else in life there are things you just have to live with, like it or not.
Your childish and totally irrelevant comments about me only puts you into character. It appears to me that you are just as lonely as you have always been. The sad news is that, that will most likely never change. Some people just never grow up.
My opinions may be extrem at some points, as its correctly being noted. You, Mess (and others) , may not like them or the way they are presented, but like everything else in life there are things you just have to live with, like it or not.
Your childish and totally irrelevant comments about me only puts you into character. It appears to me that you are just as lonely as you have always been. The sad news is that, that will most likely never change. Some people just never grow up.
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