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The Demise of Hong Kong Airlines

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The Demise of Hong Kong Airlines

Old 17th May 2008, 22:07
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Dear Jandakot,

The blokes on threads with anything to do with HKG, HKA,AHK,HKE, Air Macau etc are not the paragon of professionalism in aviation. You are wasting your time besides being sucked into some nasty profane name calling and low life mud slinging! Ducking for cover.....incoming.....shit buckets ahead!
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Old 18th May 2008, 11:46
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http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=315722

An interesting read on SINGAS
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Old 21st May 2008, 07:58
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The blokes on threads with anything to do with HKG, HKA,AHK,HKE, Air Macau etc are not the paragon of professionalism in aviation.
that's a big and completely misinformed/arrogant ( arrogant because you think that your part of the world is so professional ? ) call.
So, everybody in Hong Kong ( HKG ) including KA and CX, Air Hong Kong ( not even mentioned here ) and HK airlines and HK express not up to your lofty standards of professionalism eh
Maybe one could suggest that if you are so professional, you could stick your nose into something you are actually an authority on and/or have any usefull input, good, bad, or indifferent to, rather than just sticking your nose into a thread were your only input is to bag the contributors.
BTW, how long have you or did you work for HKE/HKA ?
didn't think so
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Old 21st May 2008, 09:03
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I think he is judging from the quality of the posts on threads on HKE/A, Air Macau etc. Some of the posts do make decent pilots cringe with embarassment!
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Old 22nd May 2008, 01:47
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Ali, I say again, until you have worked for this outfit you CANNOT begin to fathom the sort of amateur circus we have had to put up with, the lies, deceit, racism, and in most cases just out and out incompetence, it's far worse than most of us have ever experienced in our careers, even going back to the days of flying light aircraft.
A dog is a loyal and loving creature, but see what happens if you stick it in a cage, don't feed it, and start poking sticks at it ..............it WILL bite !
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Old 22nd May 2008, 06:42
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Who are the dogs?

I am beginning to like the animal references in this forum. We have snakes, swines..and now dogs. Supposedly the term "dog" would include bitches too. So tell me which nationality are the dogs and bitches..? What nationality are you, fooey?
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Old 22nd May 2008, 11:27
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who let the dogs out ... woof woof woof ... sounds like a popular song eh ?
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Old 22nd May 2008, 14:47
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I am beginning to like the animal references in this forum. We have snakes, swines..and now dogs
Ahh you can add the RAT into the equation too.

Speaking of the Rat any update to what he doing now a days?
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Old 23rd May 2008, 01:37
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I am beginning to like the animal references in this forum
Yeh, well, every circus has an array of animals

So tell me which nationality are the dogs and bitches..?
Actually, it was a metaphor

What nationality are you, fooey?
No hablar english, senor
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Old 23rd May 2008, 04:48
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You guys are a bunch of fools, nothing to do, bitch and bitch.
1. Hongkong is not the place for you. Go back to Aussieland. Too bad if no job for you or Aussieland pay you peanuts.
2. Don't bite the hand of the people who have been nice to you.
3. You guys are cowards and imature.
4. The more you write the worse it is for your countrymen.
5. You guys write or post things about people other than your own. What about GR had a tailstrike on the last flight and ran away to join CX as sim instructor. What about NH who did not get through AEX first time and now suffering in AHK. AHK now being conned by AF.
6. Big advert by CX will hire Oasis staff but did nothing. All show only but no action. Only HKE and HKA actually helped out Oasis pilots and staff. Shame on you Aussies in CX not doing anything to help out - just bitch only.

GO HOME YOU BLOODY !!!!!!!!!!

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Old 23rd May 2008, 07:23
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Thumbs up Some facts

70 Oasis pilots going to CX. NIL going to HKA, NIL going to HKE.

Please feel free to correct the FACTS, if you have proof.

The first airline to offer help was CX then Jade then several from the M.E.
2 weeks later an offer to fly 744 freighters for HKA on 738 pay. Did you feel the stampede. Considering these guys have 10000 to 17000 hours command on 747's.
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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Old 23rd May 2008, 11:11
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40deg south, 6 pilots ex oasis now with HKE !! 4 on course right now.
considering the size of the company, higher percentage than CX.
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Old 23rd May 2008, 11:20
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40deg south.
CX offer for FO's on 747 freighter, 49K. HKE 737 FO about the same.
So much for the benevolence of CX
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Old 23rd May 2008, 11:36
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Maybe so...............and I'm sure that the positions were offered purely as a gesture of kindness and goodwill right from the bottom of managements heart. Couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that HKA finds themselves short of trained and experienced people now that the "inexperienced" have been stabbed in the back.

And how long will they stay? It's what's commonly referred to as a "stop gap" measure. (by the way, it's "don't bite the hand that feeds you")

P.S. The only evidence I have seen of cowardice was displayed some time ago in the "star-bar" by some little person who thought he was just a little too big for his boots who then quickly slithered off when put back in his place.
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Old 23rd May 2008, 12:04
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So what pay package and lifestyle will they be on in 3 to 4 years..or 10 years. I suggest they will not be there in 1 year.
HKA has never had a reputation for its money or career path.

All the best boys
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Old 24th May 2008, 15:34
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HKE/HKA/AHK/Air Macau really deserve these fellas.....garbage collectors masquerading as airmen. These outfits must really be cesspools to have had such foul mouth imbeciles working for them.
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Old 25th May 2008, 02:34
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Raj ,
You may well be correct about the "outfits" you refer to. However I suspect that the "fellas" have decided to make use of this forum to expose the said "outfits" for what they really are instead of what they would have naive new recruits believe they are.
Freedom of speech can often lead to some very colourful language, as we are all big boys now most of us can handle it. No matter the retort, when there is a "rat in the kitchen" it will expose itself sooner or later.
Most of us come from countries where we can speak our mind without fear of government retribution and a good public flogging. I fear Raj old chap, you have not been so fortunate.

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Old 25th May 2008, 04:45
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HKE/HKA/AHK/Air Macau really deserve these fellas.....garbage collectors masquerading as airmen
Actually garbo's back home make more than twice the money being paid by the afore-mentioned circuses and don't have to put up with a management structure pretending to know what it is doing. (actually I wonder what the plural of circus really is? Circi perhaps?)
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Old 25th May 2008, 15:19
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Well as I said, I wouldn't have re-engaged this whole nonsense unless LIES arose, and indeed our reptilian friends have been busy spreading the same.

Fact. NH passed his AEX first shot with distinction. The allegations to the contray are complete libal.

BOTH SUBSEQUENT HKA CANDIDATES (MY/SING) WERE REJECTED FROM THE COURSE AND NOT ALLOWED TO EVEN ATTEMPT THE TEST.

FAIL.

Second G.R, DFO gave notice to CX months ago. Allegations he left under dubious circumstances are again false. He left as soon as the writing was spray painted on the wall.



**

Folks reading this thread with no backround.

Understand that ALL the western (AUS, US, CAN, NZ, EUR) pilots came here with the sincere wishes to make this airline a world class situation. Somewhere along the way, the Hainan ownership decided that doing things in this "western" manner was simply too costly.

Too Bad, as my first year @ HKA was fantastic. It pricks me off not to be able to have the career there I could have. It was a "pearlier" of a situation with all the possibilities... UNTIL

All Western Managment, was dismissed or given obvious notice.

Having previous worked briefly at Orient Thai in BKK, and seen how western managment were moved out in place of cheaper , less problematic, management, I , personally, can only predict similiar results as the Phuket incident in years coming.

If you're working elsewhere, you'd be a very poor decision maker to choose to join this company. (unless like many HKA pilots, you come for the rating and a couple of hundred hrs, and join Ryan Air, or other B73NG company.... )

LASTLY NOTE - MANY POSTERS have 1-5 posts here.. I have a couple of hundred. I am not here to make trouble and hide, I am here only to warn future applicants of making a mistake that will harm their careers and family's.
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Old 27th May 2008, 09:49
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Thanks Drools but you're wasting your breath.
Let them have their crappy LITTLE operation, soon any talent they had left will be gone and we will just keep waiting for them to make the front page of the SCMP, and it won't be for the arrival of the 787s,777s,747s,330, or 320s either
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