The Demise of Hong Kong Airlines
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The End of CX
This is the same "Little Dickie" who is running around saying that Cathay Pacific is finished. HKA is set to take over as the major carrier out of HKG.
Whatever he is on, it is damn good stuff! Must be all the chili in the food I suppose.
Whatever he is on, it is damn good stuff! Must be all the chili in the food I suppose.
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HKA who?
Too funny. Cathay is still saying "HKA/HKE who?"
I think that 7 months ago, Cathay might have been thinking about what impact HKA could make in the future. But Oasis was a bigger threat.
Now Oasis is driven out of business, and they can concentrate on HKA. But now they're thinking...."Why worry, they'll take care of themselves".
The only fear they have from HKA is of a mid-air! Oh, but wait, all of the time sleeping in the bunk of a 747, wide-body, international operations, etc, etc, etc should preclude problems with basic airmanship. After all, "I'm a Captain!"
I think that 7 months ago, Cathay might have been thinking about what impact HKA could make in the future. But Oasis was a bigger threat.
Now Oasis is driven out of business, and they can concentrate on HKA. But now they're thinking...."Why worry, they'll take care of themselves".
The only fear they have from HKA is of a mid-air! Oh, but wait, all of the time sleeping in the bunk of a 747, wide-body, international operations, etc, etc, etc should preclude problems with basic airmanship. After all, "I'm a Captain!"
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It is innevitable that those snake clowns will put a smoking hole in the ground somewhere. With incident reports and MOR's being filed on average of once a week at the incompetent Captains f&ck ups, you can see it coming as bright as the sun.
These guys can't even make standard radio calls.
I feel for the F/O's having to work twice as hard to save these guys from killing alot of people.
These guys can't even make standard radio calls.
I feel for the F/O's having to work twice as hard to save these guys from killing alot of people.
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If it wasn't for the Western pilots @ HKA, then it's very likely there would have been a crash. Fortunatly, as they carry very few passengers, chances are fatalites would be minimal.
As another group of western pilots are preparing to leave, I think we may get to witness this sooner rather than later.
With regard to CX/KA going down, that is simply laughable. We get weekly communication as to load factor/ revenue, and I am happy to say we seem to make a lot of money.
HKA / Hainan was losing 10's of millions a month when I was there (and that was when oil was $90 a barrel, I can't imagine the loss now) (coupled with the fact that they keep paying for courses our Singhasnake friends keep failing).
As another group of western pilots are preparing to leave, I think we may get to witness this sooner rather than later.
With regard to CX/KA going down, that is simply laughable. We get weekly communication as to load factor/ revenue, and I am happy to say we seem to make a lot of money.
HKA / Hainan was losing 10's of millions a month when I was there (and that was when oil was $90 a barrel, I can't imagine the loss now) (coupled with the fact that they keep paying for courses our Singhasnake friends keep failing).
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Red white and blue Captain America???
Dude, you're lonley, stop reading your comic books and dribbling on your PSP. Us real boys are having a grown up conversation.
AAIGuy is right, they've spent thousands of US$ on retraining those self appointed trainers. They've got alot to answer for....especially when families lifestyles are involved when it all finally all goes tits up coz insurance company's won't cover them anymore due to excessive incidents.
Hainan could've avoided all this by just getn rid of these guys, and hire some real pilots.
Dude, you're lonley, stop reading your comic books and dribbling on your PSP. Us real boys are having a grown up conversation.
AAIGuy is right, they've spent thousands of US$ on retraining those self appointed trainers. They've got alot to answer for....especially when families lifestyles are involved when it all finally all goes tits up coz insurance company's won't cover them anymore due to excessive incidents.
Hainan could've avoided all this by just getn rid of these guys, and hire some real pilots.
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747 Freighters?
HKA/HKEs latest line is that they are telling prospective new hires that they will have the opportunity to go on to 747 freighters. Yes, I know, we have heard all that hot air before, 777s, A330s happening, then not happening. But it is interesting that they made a presentation to the HKCAD recently that proposed wet leasing 747s, so, even if t does happen, there won't be any opportunities for the pilots already there.
If the two airlines are losing more than HKD$20 mil per month now, wait till they start operating widebodies (if it ever does happen, personally I think that there is a better chance that the Dalai Lama will be guest of honour at the Beijing Olympics).
If the two airlines are losing more than HKD$20 mil per month now, wait till they start operating widebodies (if it ever does happen, personally I think that there is a better chance that the Dalai Lama will be guest of honour at the Beijing Olympics).
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Bungachengkeh, you really are a funny little fellow. The Westerners have lost no face at all, (and to be frank, they probably couldn't care less if in your eyes they did).
Westerners take exception to being lied to, simple as that. I realise that in this part of the world it is accepted that you do not question your employer even if he was to tell you that "night is day", but Westerners do not sit by and eat sh1t like you guys love to do. Don't be a mouse all your life son, grow some b@lls bigger than peas. (actually that just may be your problem).
Westerners take exception to being lied to, simple as that. I realise that in this part of the world it is accepted that you do not question your employer even if he was to tell you that "night is day", but Westerners do not sit by and eat sh1t like you guys love to do. Don't be a mouse all your life son, grow some b@lls bigger than peas. (actually that just may be your problem).
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FACT: Westerners are needed (as a last line of defence against an accident)
How much face will the management have left when the first accident occurs?
Hear's a good idea, stop running around thinking up bull**** titles for each other and get on with the job!
Heard that 3 new captains failed base training the other day
one of them had an 1800' ROD at 600' on final, was told to go around TWICE and had control taken away by the TRE!
Looks like the maestros doing the recruiting are trying to orchestrate an accident sooner rather than later!
How much face will the management have left when the first accident occurs?
Hear's a good idea, stop running around thinking up bull**** titles for each other and get on with the job!
Heard that 3 new captains failed base training the other day
one of them had an 1800' ROD at 600' on final, was told to go around TWICE and had control taken away by the TRE! Looks like the maestros doing the recruiting are trying to orchestrate an accident sooner rather than later!
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Death threats
The TRE that failed the Indonesian pilots for inability to fly has recieved DEATH THREATS via txt from an Indonesian number.
I got a message for you pilots from South East Asia that have come to work at HKA......this type of flying is obviously too difficult for you. GO HOME. Your home country is the only place that works. Not here in a civilized society
I am currently writing an article for SCMP reagarding this
That kind of criminal behaviour IS NOT TOLERATED.
I got a message for you pilots from South East Asia that have come to work at HKA......this type of flying is obviously too difficult for you. GO HOME. Your home country is the only place that works. Not here in a civilized society
I am currently writing an article for SCMP reagarding this
That kind of criminal behaviour IS NOT TOLERATED.
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Gweilos are really big gwais......like the Cantonese say " gwai ta gwai ", only that here the pak gwais can't " lose face " after the " coloured " gwais got better of them. Hence the huffing and puffing, name calling and racist rants
???????
Can anyone make any sense of this IDIOT'S comments?
Slim,
Bring up that bulsh!t as much as you want, it still doesn't change the fact, the latest HKA recruits, whom by large come from South-east Asia
CAN'T FLY TO SAVE THEMSELVES.
???????
Can anyone make any sense of this IDIOT'S comments?
Slim,
Bring up that bulsh!t as much as you want, it still doesn't change the fact, the latest HKA recruits, whom by large come from South-east Asia
CAN'T FLY TO SAVE THEMSELVES.
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Bullsh!t walks ...
"...the latest HKA recruits, whom by large come from South-east Asia
CAN'T FLY TO SAVE THEMSELVES.."
Mate, you can't go on generalising a particular race or nationality just cos a couple of asians didn't meet the required standards; the onus is on the trainer to bring the bloke up to specs; that's the sole reason for airlines to appoint in-house trainers. Very often, trainers forget their role. Ready to write off a trainable pilot (well, perhaps with extra training) all too soon. Personal prejudices/preferences doesn't help. If someone should fail a course or training, then it is the trainer that has failed.
"...If the two airlines are losing more than HKD$20 mil per month now, wait till they start operating widebodies (if it ever does happen, personally I think that there is a better chance that the Dalai Lama will be guest of honour at the Beijing Olympics).... "
HKA/HKE is just a cost center to the Hainan Group, as long as the Group makes an overall profit; it doesn't matter whch of it's airlines in the Group is making a loss. Besides, what is HKD$20mil a mth compared to the USD$20mil in savings for each aircraft bought through HKA/HKE for the Group?
You'd soon find out that to survive and last out the fuel crisis, you'd need to keep operating (staff and fuel) costs down. CX/KA are already feeling the fuel pinch, whereas fuel for chinese carriers are still very much subsidised even with the recent subsidy cuts. So, when HKA/HKE actually folds like Oasis; and it's gonna be a long wait; wake me up!! * looooong yaaaaawn*
CAN'T FLY TO SAVE THEMSELVES.."
Mate, you can't go on generalising a particular race or nationality just cos a couple of asians didn't meet the required standards; the onus is on the trainer to bring the bloke up to specs; that's the sole reason for airlines to appoint in-house trainers. Very often, trainers forget their role. Ready to write off a trainable pilot (well, perhaps with extra training) all too soon. Personal prejudices/preferences doesn't help. If someone should fail a course or training, then it is the trainer that has failed.
"...If the two airlines are losing more than HKD$20 mil per month now, wait till they start operating widebodies (if it ever does happen, personally I think that there is a better chance that the Dalai Lama will be guest of honour at the Beijing Olympics).... "
HKA/HKE is just a cost center to the Hainan Group, as long as the Group makes an overall profit; it doesn't matter whch of it's airlines in the Group is making a loss. Besides, what is HKD$20mil a mth compared to the USD$20mil in savings for each aircraft bought through HKA/HKE for the Group?
You'd soon find out that to survive and last out the fuel crisis, you'd need to keep operating (staff and fuel) costs down. CX/KA are already feeling the fuel pinch, whereas fuel for chinese carriers are still very much subsidised even with the recent subsidy cuts. So, when HKA/HKE actually folds like Oasis; and it's gonna be a long wait; wake me up!! * looooong yaaaaawn*
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If someone should fail a course or training, then it is the trainer that has failed.
In some cases it is an impossible task. No Trainer should ever pass a guy who is a danger to himself and others.
In this respect it is not the Trainer who has failed.
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"..Most trainers will exhaust themselves trying to bring a trainee up to speed..."
It is then an EQ and personal attributes problem of the trainer; someone ought to have a careful look at who goes into the training department.
"..In some cases it is an impossible task. No Trainer should ever pass a guy who is a danger to himself and others.."
You mean no checker should ever pass a guy who is a danger to himself and others. See the difference between training and checking now?
"..If all else fails you can always threaten to kill the checker and his family eh.."
Before it becomes a criminal act, it has to satisfy two ingredients; Mens rea or intent and actus reus or act. We do not know what the actual content of the phone text message is; no killer will let the victim know of a murder attempt; dun know about Aust but it's a sound criminology concept everywhere else.
"..that make you a cx pelot or just a Wannabe? .."
Son, let's put it this way, when i did my first solo, the guy trying to impregnate your mom to have you wasn't your dad...
It is then an EQ and personal attributes problem of the trainer; someone ought to have a careful look at who goes into the training department.
"..In some cases it is an impossible task. No Trainer should ever pass a guy who is a danger to himself and others.."
You mean no checker should ever pass a guy who is a danger to himself and others. See the difference between training and checking now?
"..If all else fails you can always threaten to kill the checker and his family eh.."
Before it becomes a criminal act, it has to satisfy two ingredients; Mens rea or intent and actus reus or act. We do not know what the actual content of the phone text message is; no killer will let the victim know of a murder attempt; dun know about Aust but it's a sound criminology concept everywhere else.
"..that make you a cx pelot or just a Wannabe? .."
Son, let's put it this way, when i did my first solo, the guy trying to impregnate your mom to have you wasn't your dad...
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A "trainee" who is a heavy jet "Capt" shouldn't require any extra training.
That is unless his backround is "fradulent". They Lie. and they suck
Supossed EX SINAIR 4 Engine Capts, can't pass the KA TRE course? Not even Can't pass, but are so bad they can't get recommened?????
Not even allowed to try the test?
Sorry slim.
ALL, and I mean ALL< the Singaswine, ect... are FAILURES who coudn't get jobs in Sin/MY/In.
And EVERYONE knows that.
That is unless his backround is "fradulent". They Lie. and they suck
Supossed EX SINAIR 4 Engine Capts, can't pass the KA TRE course? Not even Can't pass, but are so bad they can't get recommened?????
Not even allowed to try the test?Sorry slim.
ALL, and I mean ALL< the Singaswine, ect... are FAILURES who coudn't get jobs in Sin/MY/In.
And EVERYONE knows that.
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You mean no checker should ever pass a guy who is a danger to himself and others. See the difference between training and checking now?
In most Airlines, checkers also conduct Training. Note the big "T" & small "c".
I was just using a broader brush than you.