How many are leaving CX ?
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This almost deserves a thread of its own, but is in addition to what's been covered earlier.
Someone was up on the 3rd floor talking with DH about the seniority list. Apparently its not being updated in order to hide the number of crew we have, or don't, have. The seniority number you have just now will be the one you retain. Well, mine has hardly moved in the past 6 months; I'll keep an eye on it and let you know if it changes.
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Someone was up on the 3rd floor talking with DH about the seniority list. Apparently its not being updated in order to hide the number of crew we have, or don't, have. The seniority number you have just now will be the one you retain. Well, mine has hardly moved in the past 6 months; I'll keep an eye on it and let you know if it changes.
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Question: Flying as captain for large(major) regional airline in the U.S. Based at home(no commute) and typically fly 4 days a week, approx 13-14 days off per month. Yearly pay about 85-90k USD(90-95 hrs flying per month). Very good travel benefits, no retirement(401k plan with company match). Health benefits good, not great. Already interviewed and offered DFO on the 744F. Do I take the job at CX?
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Seems the opinions about flying for CX vary based on where, what routes you typically fly, whether a SO, JFO, or FO. Any insight, especially from folks based in the U.S., would be very much appreciated.
Alot of negativity about CX and flying for the company on this site. Been advised to ignore most of it, but where there's smoke.......
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FAA ATP, over 7000+hrs total time, 1500+PIC turbine.
Current aircraft EMB-145.
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Thanks for any help with the career decision.
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Seems the opinions about flying for CX vary based on where, what routes you typically fly, whether a SO, JFO, or FO. Any insight, especially from folks based in the U.S., would be very much appreciated.
Alot of negativity about CX and flying for the company on this site. Been advised to ignore most of it, but where there's smoke.......
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FAA ATP, over 7000+hrs total time, 1500+PIC turbine.
Current aircraft EMB-145.
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Thanks for any help with the career decision.
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Do it only if you ( and your family) are prepared to live in hong kong at some point. Don't assume you can have a career in cx exclusively on a base, it won't work out most probably.
Then, if you think you could live here, check it out for yourself before you sign up. Bring your family with you and look at the living conditions carefully. Things to consider : pollution, schools, social life of your family when you are away, volatile real estate market,general willingness to live in a foreign society, differences regarding possible time-out activities etc.
I wont go into the training/checking problem we have here at cx, I am sure you are already aware of that, but consider things like : lack of union (power), constant changing basing policies, cultural problems within the pilots group especially towards americans, very long time to upgrade with 65 age in force. On the upside : future of the company looks secure, no layoffs occured during sars crisis compared to american hire/fire culture at 9/11.
good luck
Then, if you think you could live here, check it out for yourself before you sign up. Bring your family with you and look at the living conditions carefully. Things to consider : pollution, schools, social life of your family when you are away, volatile real estate market,general willingness to live in a foreign society, differences regarding possible time-out activities etc.
I wont go into the training/checking problem we have here at cx, I am sure you are already aware of that, but consider things like : lack of union (power), constant changing basing policies, cultural problems within the pilots group especially towards americans, very long time to upgrade with 65 age in force. On the upside : future of the company looks secure, no layoffs occured during sars crisis compared to american hire/fire culture at 9/11.
good luck
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The media solution
Dragon Air were proactive about getting their story into the media, and letting the public know why so many flights were being grounded.
CX have done a great job of keeping the CX crew shortages under wraps. Sooner or later it will get out. Right now they are relying so much on good will to crew the flights, robbing Peter (sorry Pete) to pay Paul on many flights every day.
Obviously they will need to extend the retirement age, and move to 3 man ULH to keep crewing aircraft....don't be surprised.
Much of the crew shortage here is a result of crew leaving before normal retirement age to go to other airlines, and the most common reason they leave is because of the way they have been treated over the years.
This says alot about the type of employers they are.
CX have done a great job of keeping the CX crew shortages under wraps. Sooner or later it will get out. Right now they are relying so much on good will to crew the flights, robbing Peter (sorry Pete) to pay Paul on many flights every day.
Obviously they will need to extend the retirement age, and move to 3 man ULH to keep crewing aircraft....don't be surprised.
Much of the crew shortage here is a result of crew leaving before normal retirement age to go to other airlines, and the most common reason they leave is because of the way they have been treated over the years.
This says alot about the type of employers they are.
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How far can we go??
This is interesting from an historical perspective.
Gross annual wages of pilots at Lufthansa and other major airlines, 2000
Airline Gross annual wage in comparison with Lufthansa (Lufthansa = 100%) SAS 83% Lufthansa 100% Iberia 109% Air France 114% KLM 122% Swissair 124% British Airways 127% Average 127% American 164% United 165% Delta 167% Cathay Pacific 245% Source: Joint survey by Lufthansa and VC.
Gross annual wages of pilots at Lufthansa and other major airlines, 2000
Airline Gross annual wage in comparison with Lufthansa (Lufthansa = 100%) SAS 83% Lufthansa 100% Iberia 109% Air France 114% KLM 122% Swissair 124% British Airways 127% Average 127% American 164% United 165% Delta 167% Cathay Pacific 245% Source: Joint survey by Lufthansa and VC.
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Mr. Truth Seeker, aren’t you a ban breaker? Not much you can do as a Junior First Officer, if you ever made the grade.
And yes, my bonus is very good thanks to pilots like this. See below.
On Sunday, HNG operating CX507 KIX-HKG had to ground-return due to a No. 2 Engine Control Message. The aircraft remained AOG awaiting a spare part. As a result HNF operating CX564 HKG-TPE-KIX was turned around and used to operate a delayed CX507. My thanks to the crew involved who used 2:08 hours discretion to complete the duty.
On Tuesday, HLS operating CX135 HKG-MEL diverted to ADL due to fog in MEL. The flight arrived 3hours late into MEL. Again thanks to the crew for using 2:13 hours discretion.
With continued 3 man ULH we will need less crew which means less expense and more bonuses.
The more discretion is used we need less crew, and you guessed it, less expense and more BONUS.
With reduced physiological rest at all ports means less crew, and you guessed it again, less expense and MORE BONUS.
So Mr. Truth Seeker who is the maggot?
To my bonus.
The Management
And yes, my bonus is very good thanks to pilots like this. See below.
On Sunday, HNG operating CX507 KIX-HKG had to ground-return due to a No. 2 Engine Control Message. The aircraft remained AOG awaiting a spare part. As a result HNF operating CX564 HKG-TPE-KIX was turned around and used to operate a delayed CX507. My thanks to the crew involved who used 2:08 hours discretion to complete the duty.
On Tuesday, HLS operating CX135 HKG-MEL diverted to ADL due to fog in MEL. The flight arrived 3hours late into MEL. Again thanks to the crew for using 2:13 hours discretion.
With continued 3 man ULH we will need less crew which means less expense and more bonuses.
The more discretion is used we need less crew, and you guessed it, less expense and more BONUS.
With reduced physiological rest at all ports means less crew, and you guessed it again, less expense and MORE BONUS.
So Mr. Truth Seeker who is the maggot?
To my bonus.
The Management
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Bwatch!
I'm VERY impressed that you used AN historical perspective, as opposed to A historical perspective. At least ONE other person on this planet knows the English language! 16th November 2007 15:07
I'm VERY impressed that you used AN historical perspective, as opposed to A historical perspective. At least ONE other person on this planet knows the English language! 16th November 2007 15:07
Jose,
Your English lessons are getting a little boring now!!!
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Jose,
You would not happen to be a Mexican fellow who has just been denied entry at the border - would you?
You sound like somebody without any meaning to life... Take a chill pill man.. Ease up.. 
You would not happen to be a Mexican fellow who has just been denied entry at the border - would you?
You sound like somebody without any meaning to life... Take a chill pill man.. Ease up..
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Good morning everyone,
I always find it quite amusing how so many can get so wound up by trivial anonymous posts. Can't anyone think for themselves? Moreover, many go off the deep end and start slagging their colleagues when they only have a small portion of the story. And it's usually the incorrect part. Gentlemen, please grow up.
No employer, no matter what the profession, can force you to do something that is illegal and not be held accountable. Of course, any rules are open for interpretation, so if you feel it is questionable ask them if it is a legal request. Remember everything is recorded. If they insist it is, record the time and date and the individual for further reference. The nonsense of misplacing tapes and other idiocies makes for good reading, but has no place in a court of law.
Sadly, many people overly value themselves. True, there is a shortage of pilots but no employer wants to offer a position to someone who they cannot count on to make reasonable decisions. If you think stranding 300 pax somewhere, while one makes a point, is professional, may I suggest that you are in the wrong line of work. Moreover, if you went sick on a regular basis, at the most inopportune time, I'd fire you too. Who wants to hire someone that is not reliable.
The reality is that CX is now hogtied by the very contracts that they imposed on us in the past. It is having an impact and they know it. Just do your job, thats all. And if people do choose to leave, CX will have no choice but to make some significant change.
Please let's move on.
Cheers.
I always find it quite amusing how so many can get so wound up by trivial anonymous posts. Can't anyone think for themselves? Moreover, many go off the deep end and start slagging their colleagues when they only have a small portion of the story. And it's usually the incorrect part. Gentlemen, please grow up.
No employer, no matter what the profession, can force you to do something that is illegal and not be held accountable. Of course, any rules are open for interpretation, so if you feel it is questionable ask them if it is a legal request. Remember everything is recorded. If they insist it is, record the time and date and the individual for further reference. The nonsense of misplacing tapes and other idiocies makes for good reading, but has no place in a court of law.
Sadly, many people overly value themselves. True, there is a shortage of pilots but no employer wants to offer a position to someone who they cannot count on to make reasonable decisions. If you think stranding 300 pax somewhere, while one makes a point, is professional, may I suggest that you are in the wrong line of work. Moreover, if you went sick on a regular basis, at the most inopportune time, I'd fire you too. Who wants to hire someone that is not reliable.
The reality is that CX is now hogtied by the very contracts that they imposed on us in the past. It is having an impact and they know it. Just do your job, thats all. And if people do choose to leave, CX will have no choice but to make some significant change.
Please let's move on.
Cheers.
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If you think stranding 300 pax somewhere, while one makes a point, is professional, may I suggest that you are in the wrong line of work.
Grow up WCP. I will NOT take a bullet for CX. Roster me properly or I will strand 300 pax.
You are the type of pilot that CX loves. Will accept the abuse to no end and continue to do the job even when you are unfit because you feel stranding 300 pax is unprofessional. Where is your limit. More than likely, and you don’t even realize it, you are putting those very same 300 pax in danger by being unfit.
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Again, someone being wound up by anonymous posts. I doubt there are any rosters that are published showing someone going into discretion. Nor, are there rosters that show reduced rests or reduced pilot compliments.
In fact, on many occasions I have spoken to many managers on issues that have concerned me and have received the respect that is due. Or if there has been an error, they have corrected it. For example, I see that the report time for domestic BT has been increased to reflect the reality. Makes sense to me, but I'm sure that someone out there is irate over it.
Know the rules and stick with the facts, please. For everyone's sake especially yourself.
In fact, on many occasions I have spoken to many managers on issues that have concerned me and have received the respect that is due. Or if there has been an error, they have corrected it. For example, I see that the report time for domestic BT has been increased to reflect the reality. Makes sense to me, but I'm sure that someone out there is irate over it.
Know the rules and stick with the facts, please. For everyone's sake especially yourself.