Resignations at KA
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Gday Vermin, you have the honour of being the first person on earth to call me an optimist! Thanks! Completely agree with hold the line. No question. The only thing we disagree on is the 'bloody nose'. I honestly think we can just sit back, relax, and watch them give themselves uppercuts to their own noses. We dont have to do anything, infact, I think the crewing issue is so terminal, dropping contract compliance tomorrow morning wont change a thing. It is way past 'good will' fixing their inept crewing missmanagement. Way past it. In a way, because we have CC, they have something to blame the problems on other than themselves. Dont forget TW told Kenny that CC only affects a few trouble makers, so he cant use it as an excuse to the board or new owners without looking like a liar, so we are safe there.
People are leaving way faster than they can hire, let alone train! Just sit back and relax, and enjoy the show! (And expect way more rostering disruptions than we ever thought possible!)
People are leaving way faster than they can hire, let alone train! Just sit back and relax, and enjoy the show! (And expect way more rostering disruptions than we ever thought possible!)
Interesting times for sure,
Makes you really stop and think, when one of KA's favorite sons joins the rapidly growing list of departures.
I feel we will see a lot more of this in the months ahead, it remains to see WHEN the management will take this seriously.
To anyone considering KA, be very careful, where there is smoke there is fire!
Would the last one out please turn off the lights (to save power)
Cheers
Makes you really stop and think, when one of KA's favorite sons joins the rapidly growing list of departures.
I feel we will see a lot more of this in the months ahead, it remains to see WHEN the management will take this seriously.
To anyone considering KA, be very careful, where there is smoke there is fire!
Would the last one out please turn off the lights (to save power)
Cheers
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Is there anything positive coming out of the talks between the DPA and the GMO? Have heard murmurs the GMO doesn't believe there is a problem at all. He can't work me harder. Can he? 
mini cooper: I gotta feeling that any S/O that resigns from CX wont stand a hope in hell of getting into KA.
However I do think CX will send S/O's to KA in the future for training.
However I do think CX will send S/O's to KA in the future for training.
On it goes,
A great guy lost yesterday, recently B744 rated (at what cost Cathay must surely ask eventually) the second lot of Airbus C&T credentials out the door this week!
The Air China cantidates still to be notified with several others in the grips of the Tiger/Jetstar process as we speak.
The next round of Oasis start dates due by easter with upwards of 30 rumoured to be on file.
Surely L2 must be concerned, particularly as the replacements are proving increasingly difficult to find under the current state of operation.
Oz2
A great guy lost yesterday, recently B744 rated (at what cost Cathay must surely ask eventually) the second lot of Airbus C&T credentials out the door this week!
The Air China cantidates still to be notified with several others in the grips of the Tiger/Jetstar process as we speak.
The next round of Oasis start dates due by easter with upwards of 30 rumoured to be on file.
Surely L2 must be concerned, particularly as the replacements are proving increasingly difficult to find under the current state of operation.
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With no aircraft on order, now is the time to put on a mega cadet course! 
They can at least hang on to those guys until the have the experience for Oasis.
They can at least hang on to those guys until the have the experience for Oasis.
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The hot money is on 2 more resignations next week. It now seems that whatever offer KA finally come up with, it will be too late to stop the massive staff losses they have and will continue to incur.
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I heard three A330 Captains resigned yesterday. And a 320 FO a few days earlier.
"Show us your feet. If you don't like it leave". Ummm I think the new owners better step in because this is going to get worse.
"Show us your feet. If you don't like it leave". Ummm I think the new owners better step in because this is going to get worse.
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No-one likes being wrong. I aplogise for saying that only 2 were leaving next week. I see it was actually 3 A330 Capts and this week.
But lets not forget the newly checked out B744 Capt also tendering his resignation.
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But lets not forget the newly checked out B744 Capt also tendering his resignation.
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A330 Capt resigned yesterday.
Another one is resigning Monday
The idiots choped yet another guy doing CT5 on the 400 and he's resigned on the spot and already left Hong Kong!!!!
Quote:"If you don't like it leave!"
Think that's 10% of the pilots resigned.
Response from management?
ABSOLUTELY ZERO!!!!!
The silence is deafening.
Another one is resigning Monday
The idiots choped yet another guy doing CT5 on the 400 and he's resigned on the spot and already left Hong Kong!!!!
Quote:"If you don't like it leave!"
Think that's 10% of the pilots resigned.
Response from management?
ABSOLUTELY ZERO!!!!!
The silence is deafening.
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This loss of trained professionals would not be tolerated in just about any other industry.
Management have been quite happy sitting back getting the cushy rosters, weekends and Xmas off, and all the perks not to mention the extra$ for years now.
When they are required to step in during a crisis, take action and justify their positions in the company and why they get the extra pay.
THEY CAN'T DO IT!!!!
They're blaming CX
Management have been quite happy sitting back getting the cushy rosters, weekends and Xmas off, and all the perks not to mention the extra$ for years now.
When they are required to step in during a crisis, take action and justify their positions in the company and why they get the extra pay.
THEY CAN'T DO IT!!!!
They're blaming CX
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News of the problem from BKK:
http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_....php?id=123054
Troubled Dragonair forced to cancel flights
Hong Kong (dpa) - Hong Kong's second-biggest airline, Dragonair, is being forced to cancel up to eight flights a day as pilots quit the airline in unprecedented numbers, the airline confirmed Sunday.
Six captains resigned within a week earlier this month, and 34 first officers or captains have handed in their notice in the last six months, say pilots who link the departures from the short-haul carrier to a dispute over rosters and pay.
On October 13, eight flights were cancelled - five between Hong Kong and Shanghai and two between Hong Kong and Taipei - with crew shortages cited as the reason in all cases and specifically cockpit crew shortages cited in two cases.
A year after its 1.5-billion-US-dollar takeover by Cathay Pacific, cancellations by the airline, which flies to routes around China and the region, are running at a rate of two a day, pilots say.
Pilots claim the resignations have been sparked by "bullying and intransigence," saying management have repeatedly refused to implement rostering agreements to ease the strain on pilots handling a growing volume of flights.
Dragonair, which has around 400 mostly expatriate pilots and operates around 100 flights a day, said in a statement Sunday that it was being impacted by a worldwide shortage of cockpit personnel.
A spokeswoman said that eight cancellations on October 13 were due to "crew sickness." The airline had already hired 57 new pilots this year and planned to hire 10 more before the end of the year and another 50 next year, she said.
One senior pilot who has been with Dragonair for more than 10 years said: "I have never seen morale so low. Pilots are leaving because they're thoroughly fed up with the management.
"We haven't had a pay rise for seven years, but it's not really a pay issue. We have asked for a roster agreement for years and years. Our union has provided two draft agreements, but management just look at them and nothing happens. The management are bullying and intransigent."
The pilot, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that eight cancellations in one day was unprecedented.
"It has usually been about two cancellations a day, but the situation is clearly getting worse," he said.
Dragonair pilots have imposed a contract compliance policy since March 2005 in their efforts to secure a rostering agreement, and a captain familiar with ongoing negotiations between the pilots association and management said talks were deadlocked.
Another senior pilot said: "The salary for a Dragonair pilot is no longer competitive because of inflation and the state of the US dollar, and the rostering situation has become untenable. With the increase in the flights schedule and the wet leased flights in China, some guys are doing 14 overnights a month, and they're just fed up with it.
"Our pilots are leaving to join Korean Air, Emirates and even Air China, which is offering postings based in Australia. In one week, we had six pilots leave - all of them captains."
A spokeswoman for Dragonair denied that the resignations were linked to the rostering dispute.
"There are currently more vacancies than there are pilots throughout the industry," she said. "Therefore, it is not surprising to see a degree of pilot turnover at Dragonair and many other airlines."
She said that talks have been ongoing with the Dragonair Pilots' Association "for some time" over issues including pay, conditions and rostering practices.
"We are awaiting a response from the pilots' representatives to our offer on the salary and benefits packages, which was made in early October," the spokeswoman said. "In addition, the company has formed a team to review the provision of some of the additional benefits provided to many of its pilots."
http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_....php?id=123054
Troubled Dragonair forced to cancel flights
Hong Kong (dpa) - Hong Kong's second-biggest airline, Dragonair, is being forced to cancel up to eight flights a day as pilots quit the airline in unprecedented numbers, the airline confirmed Sunday.
Six captains resigned within a week earlier this month, and 34 first officers or captains have handed in their notice in the last six months, say pilots who link the departures from the short-haul carrier to a dispute over rosters and pay.
On October 13, eight flights were cancelled - five between Hong Kong and Shanghai and two between Hong Kong and Taipei - with crew shortages cited as the reason in all cases and specifically cockpit crew shortages cited in two cases.
A year after its 1.5-billion-US-dollar takeover by Cathay Pacific, cancellations by the airline, which flies to routes around China and the region, are running at a rate of two a day, pilots say.
Pilots claim the resignations have been sparked by "bullying and intransigence," saying management have repeatedly refused to implement rostering agreements to ease the strain on pilots handling a growing volume of flights.
Dragonair, which has around 400 mostly expatriate pilots and operates around 100 flights a day, said in a statement Sunday that it was being impacted by a worldwide shortage of cockpit personnel.
A spokeswoman said that eight cancellations on October 13 were due to "crew sickness." The airline had already hired 57 new pilots this year and planned to hire 10 more before the end of the year and another 50 next year, she said.
One senior pilot who has been with Dragonair for more than 10 years said: "I have never seen morale so low. Pilots are leaving because they're thoroughly fed up with the management.
"We haven't had a pay rise for seven years, but it's not really a pay issue. We have asked for a roster agreement for years and years. Our union has provided two draft agreements, but management just look at them and nothing happens. The management are bullying and intransigent."
The pilot, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that eight cancellations in one day was unprecedented.
"It has usually been about two cancellations a day, but the situation is clearly getting worse," he said.
Dragonair pilots have imposed a contract compliance policy since March 2005 in their efforts to secure a rostering agreement, and a captain familiar with ongoing negotiations between the pilots association and management said talks were deadlocked.
Another senior pilot said: "The salary for a Dragonair pilot is no longer competitive because of inflation and the state of the US dollar, and the rostering situation has become untenable. With the increase in the flights schedule and the wet leased flights in China, some guys are doing 14 overnights a month, and they're just fed up with it.
"Our pilots are leaving to join Korean Air, Emirates and even Air China, which is offering postings based in Australia. In one week, we had six pilots leave - all of them captains."
A spokeswoman for Dragonair denied that the resignations were linked to the rostering dispute.
"There are currently more vacancies than there are pilots throughout the industry," she said. "Therefore, it is not surprising to see a degree of pilot turnover at Dragonair and many other airlines."
She said that talks have been ongoing with the Dragonair Pilots' Association "for some time" over issues including pay, conditions and rostering practices.
"We are awaiting a response from the pilots' representatives to our offer on the salary and benefits packages, which was made in early October," the spokeswoman said. "In addition, the company has formed a team to review the provision of some of the additional benefits provided to many of its pilots."
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I don't know if this has been said already (well, 5 pages is a lot to read!) but, management ought to take a look at what Gulf Air did to stop the exodus... pay rises of 50-70% or so...
Unfortunately, things at Cathay are not yet as dire, but... with NR mentioning that oil prices might make Cathay have difficulty "sustaining profitability in 2008," (yeah, right!), there are most certainly interesting times ahead for Cathay's pilots AND management!
Unfortunately, things at Cathay are not yet as dire, but... with NR mentioning that oil prices might make Cathay have difficulty "sustaining profitability in 2008," (yeah, right!), there are most certainly interesting times ahead for Cathay's pilots AND management!