Resignations at KA
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How many resignations in the last 8 weeks? I think we're up to 14? (heard 3 more today)
Response from GMO?
Zero.
Check my maths but I think thats 5% of the pilots either resigned already or in the next few months.
I personally know of another 6 who are waiting for gratuity etc then resigning in the near future.
Response from GMO?
Zero.
Check my maths but I think thats 5% of the pilots either resigned already or in the next few months.
I personally know of another 6 who are waiting for gratuity etc then resigning in the near future.
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Well, it seems my prediction of a 5% staff turnover rate have come earlier than I guessed.
Might I now go for a 10% turnover rate in 12 months.
If that is not "voting with your feet" then I don't know what is.
Drunkenair
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Might I now go for a 10% turnover rate in 12 months.
If that is not "voting with your feet" then I don't know what is.
Drunkenair
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Dear Mr FEArookie,
I am an outsider trying to come to grips with your post. I Understand that your expat colleagues are earning double the amount as a local would earn?
Are all local pilots training costs in KA paid by the company..by that i mean,all ab initio etc to commercial or atpl standard?
Have your conditions been changed since your agreement to accept the terms and conditions of your training and subsequent employment ? Are these what you agreed to in the first place?
Traditionally it has been very difficult for an Expat F/o to get a job.The standard company line of why should we employ you when we can employ a local pilot has always made it very difficult.The number of airlines that do this and offer a career progression have been very few. It appears that some of these people have arrived on your doorstep. I do believe that if you want to live an American lifestyle or an Australian lifestyle etc that you should do that in your own country. It is not an easy step leaving your own country to achieve your dreams be it money or career prospects.
You have mentioned Unions as well.They are generally an important circuit breaker when things get heated from either side.Your union will try to negotiate a general payrise in the core elements of your pay.ie base pay,overtime etc,that way every pilot benefits,not to mention the insurance packages offered ..
Lowkoon has mentioned that as a local pilot(Most likely your first job) that there is a difference in experience,but not on expectations.We all want a career path and a decent salary.It has been made difficult when different groups have accepted different terms and conditions and especially when your airline have offered you local terms with no choice. Unfortunately if your agreed to terms have been violated then fight...if you simply now think it is unfair ..perhaps it is too late and the only way to achieve something better is to apply for that airline across the road or further afield.
Each expat pilot will have a different reason for his arrival overseas. Pay..quick command??? KA is a little different in that it offers a long term contract(Open ended) not the two/three or five year gig.There are plenty of jobs out there if you want this type of lifestyle(look for a new job the moment you start the current) but most of us want a long term,stable career path and we move to a place that will offer this.
Are you protected in any way by being on local terms?
If an expat was to screw up..would he or she be kicked out of the country?
I am rambling now
that's about it
enuff said
I am an outsider trying to come to grips with your post. I Understand that your expat colleagues are earning double the amount as a local would earn?
Are all local pilots training costs in KA paid by the company..by that i mean,all ab initio etc to commercial or atpl standard?
Have your conditions been changed since your agreement to accept the terms and conditions of your training and subsequent employment ? Are these what you agreed to in the first place?
Traditionally it has been very difficult for an Expat F/o to get a job.The standard company line of why should we employ you when we can employ a local pilot has always made it very difficult.The number of airlines that do this and offer a career progression have been very few. It appears that some of these people have arrived on your doorstep. I do believe that if you want to live an American lifestyle or an Australian lifestyle etc that you should do that in your own country. It is not an easy step leaving your own country to achieve your dreams be it money or career prospects.
You have mentioned Unions as well.They are generally an important circuit breaker when things get heated from either side.Your union will try to negotiate a general payrise in the core elements of your pay.ie base pay,overtime etc,that way every pilot benefits,not to mention the insurance packages offered ..
Lowkoon has mentioned that as a local pilot(Most likely your first job) that there is a difference in experience,but not on expectations.We all want a career path and a decent salary.It has been made difficult when different groups have accepted different terms and conditions and especially when your airline have offered you local terms with no choice. Unfortunately if your agreed to terms have been violated then fight...if you simply now think it is unfair ..perhaps it is too late and the only way to achieve something better is to apply for that airline across the road or further afield.
Each expat pilot will have a different reason for his arrival overseas. Pay..quick command??? KA is a little different in that it offers a long term contract(Open ended) not the two/three or five year gig.There are plenty of jobs out there if you want this type of lifestyle(look for a new job the moment you start the current) but most of us want a long term,stable career path and we move to a place that will offer this.
Are you protected in any way by being on local terms?
If an expat was to screw up..would he or she be kicked out of the country?
I am rambling now
that's about it
enuff said
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Another resignation today - 320 Training Captain off to Jetstar.
Those floodgates have been well and truly kicked down - time to discuss 'market forces' with dear Tim again.
Those floodgates have been well and truly kicked down - time to discuss 'market forces' with dear Tim again.
Another trainer I hear.
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A dozen guys doing final sim checks mid Nov, wont be hard to pick them, they will be the ones requesting the vor/dme back in to hkg!
Might be hard to find crew over these days.... Good luck fellas!
Might be hard to find crew over these days.... Good luck fellas!
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Hey And Then- I think they know the results, just waiting on start dates. If KA would ditch the 3 months notice requirement, many airlines would be most appreciative. No one shows up for those 3 months anyway!
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Another 330 captain resigned today. Got to be over 30 guys so far? GMO says 20 airbus commands next year... Surely that will only just cover the guys going to the freighter, and Air China contract.... What about the rest? Or do they plan on reducing services even further?
Interesting times! Time to step in and sort out the mess I think Kenny, you have had 12 months to see where the problems are... Time to actually do something.
Look forward to seeing some leadership around here. Anyone "back on board" yet?! What ever happened to that little gem???
Interesting times! Time to step in and sort out the mess I think Kenny, you have had 12 months to see where the problems are... Time to actually do something.
Look forward to seeing some leadership around here. Anyone "back on board" yet?!
What ever happened to that little gem???
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step in kenny?
kenny has no clue as to what is going on..... Have you read his latest gem? Blah blah...... Exciting..... Blah blah...... I have just had a week in Japan!
This place is &$@#%d
This place is &$@#%d
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Unlikely to be retracted, but I suspect regretted by the end of the financial year. Hard to hide several grossly underutilised aircraft & large numbers of cancelled flights from the financial boffins across the road without using the words 'chronic crew shortage'. Its then only a short leap to 'why'.
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"Unlikely to be retracted, but I suspect regretted....."
You have it all wrong - he is now saying he was mis-quoted and that we "took it the wrong way."
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Drunkenair (hic)
You have it all wrong - he is now saying he was mis-quoted and that we "took it the wrong way."
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This is the only place I have worked where the captains leave at twice the rate of the FOs! This has got to hurt! Why are we in such a hurry to sign off on anything? The longer this goes on, the better it is for the DPAs position in negotiation! Management state we will never get cx terms, but the longer this goes on, stating the obvious, the more chance we have of getting close. So we pull out of negotiations until JC has done his indepth analysis of the rise in rent prices in hong kong.
We pull out of negotiations until this analysis is complete, then we go for back pay because of the companies delay. In this time of indepth analysis by the company, another half dozen captains have resigned, and the company is potentially parking aircraft, due 'crew shortage'. One thing you can count on, if we sign off before this crack team have analysed the property market, there will be no increases. The same thing for schooling. Lets just hold off until it is complete. Time is on our side, not theirs. Current T&Cs no longer attract new hires, new hires not turning up can't be put down to a coincidence anymore.
The same for rostering. management say we are making 'progress'. Why should we sign off on anything until this "progress" is incorporated into the agreement? Otherwise it is just bs propaganda to get us to sign off in the 'hope' things will improve. This is akin to telling children that if they are good, santa will come. A hollow promise, when you realise that santa doesnt exist, neither does any rostering agreement. Lets see the agreement,(or santa) then we sign.
May we live in interesting times!
We pull out of negotiations until this analysis is complete, then we go for back pay because of the companies delay. In this time of indepth analysis by the company, another half dozen captains have resigned, and the company is potentially parking aircraft, due 'crew shortage'. One thing you can count on, if we sign off before this crack team have analysed the property market, there will be no increases. The same thing for schooling. Lets just hold off until it is complete. Time is on our side, not theirs. Current T&Cs no longer attract new hires, new hires not turning up can't be put down to a coincidence anymore.
The same for rostering. management say we are making 'progress'. Why should we sign off on anything until this "progress" is incorporated into the agreement? Otherwise it is just bs propaganda to get us to sign off in the 'hope' things will improve. This is akin to telling children that if they are good, santa will come. A hollow promise, when you realise that santa doesnt exist, neither does any rostering agreement. Lets see the agreement,(or santa) then we sign.
May we live in interesting times!
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Getting back to the original thread, I hear that another B744 Capt has just resigned. 
If this, combined with the other resignations, is not an indication that KA is not the airline to come to for a career, then there is nothing those that are here can say or do to make you listen.
Of course you can come and get that 'Bus' or 'Boeing' endorsement and then take it somewhere where you are looked after.
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If this, combined with the other resignations, is not an indication that KA is not the airline to come to for a career, then there is nothing those that are here can say or do to make you listen.
Of course you can come and get that 'Bus' or 'Boeing' endorsement and then take it somewhere where you are looked after.
Cheers
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Yes and he was a trainer too! In just over a year of the -400 operation what percentage of those converted onto the -400 have gone, 25%?
KT do you read this?
KT do you read this?