Resignations at KA
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Respect is not a term associated with KA management. GMP has always disliked pilots. An unpleasant piece of work. GMO is a bit part actor. A yes man for senior management. COO came from Air Hong Kong with a reputation for poor pilot relations.
The whole set up was bound to end like this. I am just surprised that you have all stuck with it for so long and others are willing to put their careers on the line to join KA.
It's all downhill from here.
The whole set up was bound to end like this. I am just surprised that you have all stuck with it for so long and others are willing to put their careers on the line to join KA.
It's all downhill from here.
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Would somebody please tell me something about your package(basic, housing, education, gratuity, chinese new year bonus, medical, travel...etc, if any) at the moment given by KA, given all that poor conditions of work in there? Thanks a lot.
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Sure Sawadecup, all you have to do is apply, and they will tell you all about it in the interview. They will even give you a copy of the terms. I think if you bothered to read, no one is leaving for better terms, infact guys going for less than half. They are leaving for the reasons posted on the previous 6 pages. Feel free to read them then go to the wannabe section for recruitment details if you still think it is a good gig.
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Just call them and ask for it...
you could almost guess at it. probably about 80g usd yr for high experience FO. And I think they dont hire unless you have type right? Any dragon dudes confirm this? Plus housing allowance the the usual asian thing.
Alot of flolks thinking of working in Asia..when they add the house allowance think its a good deal. but remember, HK living long term..like many asian countries...is apartment living. If you want to have a family and have the highest standard of living...a western country is best. Do you really want to have a family in an apartment for the rest of your life? Think about it. Those that chose this route end up with an asset in their pocket maybe, but the paid a much higher price for it in my opinion.
We only live once! Go where your lifestyle will be best. Dont split hairs and go somewhere just because you#ll have a bit more pocket change.
My 2 cents worth?
you could almost guess at it. probably about 80g usd yr for high experience FO. And I think they dont hire unless you have type right? Any dragon dudes confirm this? Plus housing allowance the the usual asian thing.
Alot of flolks thinking of working in Asia..when they add the house allowance think its a good deal. but remember, HK living long term..like many asian countries...is apartment living. If you want to have a family and have the highest standard of living...a western country is best. Do you really want to have a family in an apartment for the rest of your life? Think about it. Those that chose this route end up with an asset in their pocket maybe, but the paid a much higher price for it in my opinion.
We only live once! Go where your lifestyle will be best. Dont split hairs and go somewhere just because you#ll have a bit more pocket change.
My 2 cents worth?
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Stupid Pilots
The level of stupidity of some who hold Pilots Licences never ceases to amaze me.
How many ffffiiii#*nngggg posts have been produced here, on other forums informing the masses about resignations of dedicated professionals, due to poor pay and conditions, inept management, rock bottom morale, horribly polluted working environment and very little hope of improvement......and yet, they still apply and spend time and money attending interview. !!!!
Rostering........Hopeless...even under new CX manager it will still be the same KA managers messing it up.
Crewing..........Dont even know where to start.
Hong Kong......Eye, skin, lung infections due pollution. How many have sent the kids home because of asthma. How many have faced marriage difficulties because wife decides to bail out with the kids because of the bad air and they are left to sort out the massive mortgage.
Crew Hotels..How long have we been telling management about the poor quality of some Crew Hotels....Yes, they listen...but then we are still in them years down the road...one not so fondly known as the "skidmark" for the quality of its rooms.
Hong Kong Dollar.....becomes more worthless every passing day.
Wake up and smell the coffee guys, take it from an incumbant, it aint pretty.
How many ffffiiii#*nngggg posts have been produced here, on other forums informing the masses about resignations of dedicated professionals, due to poor pay and conditions, inept management, rock bottom morale, horribly polluted working environment and very little hope of improvement......and yet, they still apply and spend time and money attending interview. !!!!
Rostering........Hopeless...even under new CX manager it will still be the same KA managers messing it up.
Crewing..........Dont even know where to start.
Hong Kong......Eye, skin, lung infections due pollution. How many have sent the kids home because of asthma. How many have faced marriage difficulties because wife decides to bail out with the kids because of the bad air and they are left to sort out the massive mortgage.
Crew Hotels..How long have we been telling management about the poor quality of some Crew Hotels....Yes, they listen...but then we are still in them years down the road...one not so fondly known as the "skidmark" for the quality of its rooms.
Hong Kong Dollar.....becomes more worthless every passing day.
Wake up and smell the coffee guys, take it from an incumbant, it aint pretty.
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same across the straight
well for what it,s worth same here in Taiwan,resignations etc.no raise or any contract improvement as well yet half of total pay of hkg.we shall join you on your long march(to better jobs,enviroment etc)what field of employment demands so much yet pays so little now,who has a decrease in living standards not many !!time to just stop and let the cargo and passangers wait.we need so much,
good luck to all
good luck to all
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The bleeding obvious
Pprune is big. It has reach. Despite the very obvious limitations (unverifiable comment), everyone reads it. Does anybody out there know a pilot that does not read it from time to time?
I have not met a single new joiner in recent years whose opinion of the company was not influenced to some extent by Pprune.
If I was in cx/ka management I would definitely spend some money on shoring up my reputation on Pprune. I would expect my PR people to be able to do that - its what I pay them for.
It seems obvious to me that they are lurking out there somewhere. Probably posting in this thread!
Milly
I have not met a single new joiner in recent years whose opinion of the company was not influenced to some extent by Pprune.
If I was in cx/ka management I would definitely spend some money on shoring up my reputation on Pprune. I would expect my PR people to be able to do that - its what I pay them for.
It seems obvious to me that they are lurking out there somewhere. Probably posting in this thread!
Milly
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The problems with KA do not seem to be comprehended fully at CX.
The CX DFO, repeating earlier words of Tony Tyler wrote yesterday "The long term plan for Dragonair remains unchanged - the aim is to grow the airline as a regional, short-haul operator in China and Asia with a
complementary route network to Cathay Pacific".
That is a problem, not a positive.
Many crew came to Dragonair (eg ex-Ansett) when they knew they could be based in Australia and would operate the A330 on basings. That was shot down after the take-over by Tyler.
In the year and a bit since that plan was terminated they have seen:
- Godawful, arrogant, head-in-the-sand and dismissive management getting amazingly worse (the only management mantra being 'if you don't like it f***-off).
-Stressful and tiring, repetitive flight operations into horrible destinations.
- Abysmal rostering practices (the GMO & GMA are only partly responsible for that, the buffoon who runs the section should have been dismissed many years ago). Productivity may not look good on paper to new owners but the stresses on families of being exhausted has been telling.
- Associated huge increases in divorces.
- Pollution killing their families at a faster (if you could believe it) rate than before.
- Plummeting US/HK Dollar (meaning they are far worse off if expatriates).
- Complete lack of company interest in improving T&C.
- Foolish set-up of 747-400 basing policy (GMO, against directives and the pilot union stance paid less than his Manchester base and has destroyed the operation - so many pilots have walked they face sidelining a newly delivered airframe, is this some perverse joke?).
What a way to run a business.
But CX need to be clear, removing the GMO and a few minions is only a small percentage of the problems that need to be addressed.
Even if the haemorraging of aircrew stopped today (it won't, the momentum is there now and the corporate advice of 'if you don't like it f***-off' has been heeded) KA faces a grim future.
Globally amongst professional pilots, KA (and increasingly HK) now has an appalling name and whilst CX may still attract pilots to their operation because of the attractiveness of bases, seconding them to KA will not appeal to pilots any more.
There is a great deal of work needed at KA, telling pilots they will be confined to pergatory forever as per the above missive is not a good start.
The CX DFO, repeating earlier words of Tony Tyler wrote yesterday "The long term plan for Dragonair remains unchanged - the aim is to grow the airline as a regional, short-haul operator in China and Asia with a
complementary route network to Cathay Pacific".
That is a problem, not a positive.
Many crew came to Dragonair (eg ex-Ansett) when they knew they could be based in Australia and would operate the A330 on basings. That was shot down after the take-over by Tyler.
In the year and a bit since that plan was terminated they have seen:
- Godawful, arrogant, head-in-the-sand and dismissive management getting amazingly worse (the only management mantra being 'if you don't like it f***-off).
-Stressful and tiring, repetitive flight operations into horrible destinations.
- Abysmal rostering practices (the GMO & GMA are only partly responsible for that, the buffoon who runs the section should have been dismissed many years ago). Productivity may not look good on paper to new owners but the stresses on families of being exhausted has been telling.
- Associated huge increases in divorces.
- Pollution killing their families at a faster (if you could believe it) rate than before.
- Plummeting US/HK Dollar (meaning they are far worse off if expatriates).
- Complete lack of company interest in improving T&C.
- Foolish set-up of 747-400 basing policy (GMO, against directives and the pilot union stance paid less than his Manchester base and has destroyed the operation - so many pilots have walked they face sidelining a newly delivered airframe, is this some perverse joke?).
What a way to run a business.
But CX need to be clear, removing the GMO and a few minions is only a small percentage of the problems that need to be addressed.
Even if the haemorraging of aircrew stopped today (it won't, the momentum is there now and the corporate advice of 'if you don't like it f***-off' has been heeded) KA faces a grim future.
Globally amongst professional pilots, KA (and increasingly HK) now has an appalling name and whilst CX may still attract pilots to their operation because of the attractiveness of bases, seconding them to KA will not appeal to pilots any more.
There is a great deal of work needed at KA, telling pilots they will be confined to pergatory forever as per the above missive is not a good start.
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I 'walked' from KA two years ago and I've never looked back. It might well mean a drop in salary and an increase in local taxation, but what price can you put on your own health and sanity? The downward spiral just keeps on gaining momentum and the very poor management style has simply added energy to what was originaly an incipient spin. Originally, money wasn't the issue, but it 'sure as hell' is now; however, KA haven't ever recognised that they've abused their own crews with illegal rostering practices, and, certainly haven't inspired them with good leadership. There are now far too many issues to be addressed throughout the whole company and the damage is now done. L2 leadership just hasn't ever been in place, nor anyone with the balls to stand up and be counted. It's one thing to replace the GMO, but there's no point in giving any support to him unless the new incumbent is prepared to put his neck on the line and give some needed support to his troops!
I'd like to think that a new GMO would 'cut some slack' to his crews and give some good advice to the CEO... or, tender his resignation... which the last one should have done some years ago! It aint easy is it?
Good luck to all of you chaps
... I sincerely hope that 2008 might bring some hope into your lives.
TCF
I'd like to think that a new GMO would 'cut some slack' to his crews and give some good advice to the CEO... or, tender his resignation... which the last one should have done some years ago! It aint easy is it?
Good luck to all of you chaps
... I sincerely hope that 2008 might bring some hope into your lives.TCF
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..........i note the maggot (aka The Management) has not responded to my post of the 31st October...U C lads........... no BALLZ! he ain't gunna sack 1 pilot let alone 20.................the man ain't gor no culture....
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Mr. Truth Seeker, you haven’t been around long have you? Not in the difficult times anyway, most likely after the dust ball was still in the air.
You have no idea what we are willing or not willing to do. If we have to sack pilots for the benefit of The Cathay Pacific Group in the long run, we will.
Pilot applications are stacked very high in recruitment. We will just lower our requirement i.e. hire from regional airlines instead to legacy carriers.
Young man, a little word of advice “Never under estimate the will of The Management of The Cathay Pacific Group”. You have been warned.
Most likely will never put your head above the parapet, but may ask others to do it for you.
Good luck with your career.
To my bonus.
The Management
You have no idea what we are willing or not willing to do. If we have to sack pilots for the benefit of The Cathay Pacific Group in the long run, we will.
Pilot applications are stacked very high in recruitment. We will just lower our requirement i.e. hire from regional airlines instead to legacy carriers.
Young man, a little word of advice “Never under estimate the will of The Management of The Cathay Pacific Group”. You have been warned.
Most likely will never put your head above the parapet, but may ask others to do it for you.
Good luck with your career.
To my bonus.
The Management