Resignations at KA
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Dear all,
Rumours by management and management by rumours shall continue. This is not a management strategy, it is due to the fact that old rumours are now inexplicably entwined with new rumours and underpinned by lack of fact because of so much fiction. When the facts are known I shall advise all, but in the meantime please do not pay attention to rumour. All your jobs are safe, its just that we are not sure who will be doing them. As soon as we know, you will be informed, by colleagues, bar conversation, flight deck chatter or if all that fails, by leaky managers. In the meantime I would like to thank you all for the professionalism shown by you. Pity we cannot emulate same.
Have a great weekend.
Rumours by management and management by rumours shall continue. This is not a management strategy, it is due to the fact that old rumours are now inexplicably entwined with new rumours and underpinned by lack of fact because of so much fiction. When the facts are known I shall advise all, but in the meantime please do not pay attention to rumour. All your jobs are safe, its just that we are not sure who will be doing them. As soon as we know, you will be informed, by colleagues, bar conversation, flight deck chatter or if all that fails, by leaky managers. In the meantime I would like to thank you all for the professionalism shown by you. Pity we cannot emulate same.
Have a great weekend.
ANQRKA: you really expect all of us at CX to let KA Pilot's get datal seniority on our list??????????????????????????
Tell him he's dreaming...........................
This is a wind up isn't it?
Tell him he's dreaming...........................
This is a wind up isn't it?
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Given that the pilots from CX's other wholly owned subsidiary joined at the bottom of the seniority list just 30 days ago I think it unlikely that the KA pilots will get a better deal.
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ACMS climb down from your soapbox and read the other thread title "KA to implode"
No seniority for KA pilots coming to CX. You will have to resign from KA and join CX on COS 08 at the bottom of the list. I'm sure you think that is just fine and dandy but in a private reflective moment, just consider what your reaction would be if it was the other way round.
Oh and by the way, under UK law (TUPE), stripping seniority in a merger or takeover is illegal, no matter how great you think are.
No seniority for KA pilots coming to CX. You will have to resign from KA and join CX on COS 08 at the bottom of the list. I'm sure you think that is just fine and dandy but in a private reflective moment, just consider what your reaction would be if it was the other way round.
Oh and by the way, under UK law (TUPE), stripping seniority in a merger or takeover is illegal, no matter how great you think are.
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Fit for a fight
We will fight the TUPE corner I'm sure.
In the meantime how will CX freighter FOs feel about 30+ MAN based CX freight commands now being offered to KA captains?
We are being told we join at the bottom of the seniority but with rank and pay point protection as long as we pass the rapid exit command course!
I guess we join under CoS 08, for FOs does that mean we fly pax too?
I would suggest that a lot of grief could be avoided if all KA pilots (MAN and HKG based) were just put on a common CX/KA seniority list from the date of the take-over. In addition all pilots KA or CX should be able to bid for any position within the "Group" with suitable provisions for current rank and pay.
In the meantime how will CX freighter FOs feel about 30+ MAN based CX freight commands now being offered to KA captains?
We are being told we join at the bottom of the seniority but with rank and pay point protection as long as we pass the rapid exit command course!
I guess we join under CoS 08, for FOs does that mean we fly pax too?
I would suggest that a lot of grief could be avoided if all KA pilots (MAN and HKG based) were just put on a common CX/KA seniority list from the date of the take-over. In addition all pilots KA or CX should be able to bid for any position within the "Group" with suitable provisions for current rank and pay.
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ALL freighter pilots to bid for the Airbus
It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
You are right tho Dragon 501. They should ALL apply for the Airbus. Lots of the guys in MAN say they don't want to go to HKG but for some short-term pain they would have much more longer term gain. Having the Bus on your licence is good to have in Europe nowadays.
PS I'm told that RH and KA CEO have sent out letters. Has anyone seen a copy?
You are right tho Dragon 501. They should ALL apply for the Airbus. Lots of the guys in MAN say they don't want to go to HKG but for some short-term pain they would have much more longer term gain. Having the Bus on your licence is good to have in Europe nowadays.
PS I'm told that RH and KA CEO have sent out letters. Has anyone seen a copy?
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To KA Crew Everywhere: Standby!
To All KA Crew,
The unmitigated, management-inspired disaster that is unfolding on the KA FCS operation requires a coordinated and determined response from all company pilots. The derisory 'solution' as promulgated by our new GMO is being packaged as a fait accompli without even an attempt to address the serious implications for our seniority system, or any reasonable recognition for service in KA.
Perhaps CX assumes that KA pilots will follow the AOA lead and roll over without even a whimper ...
In the meantime,
PLEASE WITHOLD ANY EXPRESSIONS OF INTEREST AND COMMUNICATIONS WITH KA MANAGEMENT UNTIL THE DPA CAN FORMULATE A CONSIDERED COURSE OF ACTION WHICH RESPECTS AND PROTECTS OUR RIGHTS AND CONDITIONS OF SERVICE.
Without a doubt, CX is trying to rush this sham through. The DPA has had no input into this decision and management has ignored our protests. However the CX group can ill afford to lose any pilots, let alone the experience within KA, and they need to realise that far from expanding the group, their narrow-minded actions will accelerate the resignations.
It makes me wonder how they ever got as far as they did ...
More soon.
The unmitigated, management-inspired disaster that is unfolding on the KA FCS operation requires a coordinated and determined response from all company pilots. The derisory 'solution' as promulgated by our new GMO is being packaged as a fait accompli without even an attempt to address the serious implications for our seniority system, or any reasonable recognition for service in KA.
Perhaps CX assumes that KA pilots will follow the AOA lead and roll over without even a whimper ...
In the meantime,
PLEASE WITHOLD ANY EXPRESSIONS OF INTEREST AND COMMUNICATIONS WITH KA MANAGEMENT UNTIL THE DPA CAN FORMULATE A CONSIDERED COURSE OF ACTION WHICH RESPECTS AND PROTECTS OUR RIGHTS AND CONDITIONS OF SERVICE.
Without a doubt, CX is trying to rush this sham through. The DPA has had no input into this decision and management has ignored our protests. However the CX group can ill afford to lose any pilots, let alone the experience within KA, and they need to realise that far from expanding the group, their narrow-minded actions will accelerate the resignations.
It makes me wonder how they ever got as far as they did ...
More soon.
