Hkg Atc
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From: Hong Kong
We shouldn't throw stones at people with accents five green. I mean everyday I have to put up with overly polite canadians who I can't understand or be saracastic with. Bloody yarpies who get the sarcasm but keep saying 'is it' when I already told them 'it was' and then those terrible accents from some little island to the west of france...they are the worst!
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From: Hong Kong
Thats the ones....god they must get confused in that scene in the sound of music which starts "doe, a deer, a female deer" etc etc
Or as my yarpie friends would say...."shame shame shame, its tearable dat der axcents are so unreedabull, isn't it?"
Or as my yarpie friends would say...."shame shame shame, its tearable dat der axcents are so unreedabull, isn't it?"
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From: ATCO LOWW
Cripes!
Holy crap! After having read through all the posts on this thread I really feel for you guys working HK ATC now, not to mention quite disenchanted as I too had considered eventually trying my luck applying for a job there some time in the future!
Reading this thread I have pretty much ruled that out now! I have been working ATC in Vienna TMA for the past six years and thought we were going through tough times here regarding staff shortage, incompetent management, and generally low morale! At least here we have the advantage of a strong union and the fact that management is !!!!ting their pants at the thought of an ATCOs' rebellion of some sort. Hell, I figure I could probably walk into my boss' office and pee on his desk, he'd smile and say thank you!
No overtime pay, no yearly increase in pay, hardly any leave, and at the same time having to deal with all that mainland imposed bureaucracy? You gotta be kidding me! (I know you are not!) That would drive any professional totally bonkers over time! Especially as air traffic growth is going up and up consistently!
Seriously, I wish you guys all the best there! Talking about greener pastures...Could anyone of you be kind enough to enlighten me where in Asia expat ATCOs are hired or even sought-after? I've been having a bit of a hard time researching this online so far? How 'bout Singapore and KL?
(Damn...I just noticed how old is thread actually is! I found it via google and didn't check the dates! Sorry for that!)
Reading this thread I have pretty much ruled that out now! I have been working ATC in Vienna TMA for the past six years and thought we were going through tough times here regarding staff shortage, incompetent management, and generally low morale! At least here we have the advantage of a strong union and the fact that management is !!!!ting their pants at the thought of an ATCOs' rebellion of some sort. Hell, I figure I could probably walk into my boss' office and pee on his desk, he'd smile and say thank you!
No overtime pay, no yearly increase in pay, hardly any leave, and at the same time having to deal with all that mainland imposed bureaucracy? You gotta be kidding me! (I know you are not!) That would drive any professional totally bonkers over time! Especially as air traffic growth is going up and up consistently!
Seriously, I wish you guys all the best there! Talking about greener pastures...Could anyone of you be kind enough to enlighten me where in Asia expat ATCOs are hired or even sought-after? I've been having a bit of a hard time researching this online so far? How 'bout Singapore and KL?
(Damn...I just noticed how old is thread actually is! I found it via google and didn't check the dates! Sorry for that!)
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From: The Heart of Asia
Crickey Numero Chrunchero! How ‘ya goin' Mate? Don’t be a drongo this arvo!
I love the irony of Aussies “avinago” at other accents . At least the language we Canadians, Brits, Kiwis (and, yes , even Americans) speak is English!!
http://www.aussieslang.com/
And by the way, the letter after G in the alphabet is H, not HAytch…
I love the irony of Aussies “avinago” at other accents . At least the language we Canadians, Brits, Kiwis (and, yes , even Americans) speak is English!!
http://www.aussieslang.com/
And by the way, the letter after G in the alphabet is H, not HAytch…
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From: FRANCE
"welcome back"
After 15 hours droning back from LA, a pretty voice saying "welcome back" is fantastic... long may it continue...............
The one who said this is the most disguisting tower-rated ONLY gweilo in HK ATC.....many local hates him! center we have loudspeaker, tower we have another louder speaker, what a place here is!
The one who said this is the most disguisting tower-rated ONLY gweilo in HK ATC.....many local hates him! center we have loudspeaker, tower we have another louder speaker, what a place here is!
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From: uk
Taekyon,
I can't think of anywhere in Asia that is hiring Gweilos.Singapore and Malaysia seem to manage themselves.HK isn't hiring expats because of it's localisation policy.Do they need to? Well that's a long debate.
As you can see from this thread,a strong union is worth staying with.HK has an ''Association'' but is very IFATCA minded,with no teeth at all.If you go to the Middle East,then there is B
gger all back up there.
I'm sure if HK advertised again then there would be a stampede of Aussies.Is it worth upping sticks,travelling half way round the world.Well there are good points,but you can't expect the same when abroad.I wouldn't recommend pissing on their desks there.Although some have tried.
I can't think of anywhere in Asia that is hiring Gweilos.Singapore and Malaysia seem to manage themselves.HK isn't hiring expats because of it's localisation policy.Do they need to? Well that's a long debate.
As you can see from this thread,a strong union is worth staying with.HK has an ''Association'' but is very IFATCA minded,with no teeth at all.If you go to the Middle East,then there is B
gger all back up there.I'm sure if HK advertised again then there would be a stampede of Aussies.Is it worth upping sticks,travelling half way round the world.Well there are good points,but you can't expect the same when abroad.I wouldn't recommend pissing on their desks there.Although some have tried.
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From: uk
CC NDB,
I'm surprised at what you posted.If this is true,then the OJTI should get her out of there.If she had shouted at a pilot,then the OJTI should immediately take over.As for calling her those terms,then you could well get sacked instantly for that in Nats.
The HK CAD treated their local trainees appallingly.They brain washed any form of independant flexible thought out of them,and then slate them for not being flexible.
The supervisors barked at them in Cantonese,and they all just went and hid.
Prima Donna controllers.Well every place has their Mr Angry.I found that there was no standard phraseology in HK whatsoever.People who used their standard phraseology,but had to constantly repeat,because the pilots were not up to speed.They were often percieved as grumpy.
Well I returned to Greener pastures,and the air is clean.Life is affordable.People don't constantly barge into you.They let you off trains first.I can play on 40 golf courses within 1 hour.There is no Hello Kitty.
I can strongly recommend the greener pastures.CLK will be well in the Fragrant Harbour brown stuff if everyone left.Great idea.
I'm surprised at what you posted.If this is true,then the OJTI should get her out of there.If she had shouted at a pilot,then the OJTI should immediately take over.As for calling her those terms,then you could well get sacked instantly for that in Nats.
The HK CAD treated their local trainees appallingly.They brain washed any form of independant flexible thought out of them,and then slate them for not being flexible.
The supervisors barked at them in Cantonese,and they all just went and hid.Prima Donna controllers.Well every place has their Mr Angry.I found that there was no standard phraseology in HK whatsoever.People who used their standard phraseology,but had to constantly repeat,because the pilots were not up to speed.They were often percieved as grumpy.
Well I returned to Greener pastures,and the air is clean.Life is affordable.People don't constantly barge into you.They let you off trains first.I can play on 40 golf courses within 1 hour.There is no Hello Kitty.
I can strongly recommend the greener pastures.CLK will be well in the Fragrant Harbour brown stuff if everyone left.Great idea.
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From: 1313 Mockingbird Lane
other than uk, a trainee was being sacked in an African ATC years ago of barbarian manner. third world atc did not tolerate so did clk.
I wish I knew what the hell you were trying to say! How did you do in your English Language Proficiency Test ?
CC NDB
You sound like a pretty nasty bit of work coming out with descriptions of your young colleagues like that.
I have every sympathy for APP trainees at the moment who are thrown in the deep end for their first radar rating, struggling with inadequate training resources, total lack of standardization all around them, several arrogant gweilos who ought to know better (or maybe not, which is why some are here in the first place), constant changes to their roster from unrelated Ops to training due to a piss-poor Civil Service attitude to sickness relief, Supervisory staff who wouldn't know if their ar$e was on fire and outdated procedures written by people who last worked traffic when Kai Tak was running 8-10 miles spacing and still think thats "tight".
None of this excuses her for her actions (if reported correctly) but then again no action was taken to the previous "unplugged" event, was it?
