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CCNDB and 38 controller,
Why are you discussing a trainee on an open forum? I saw some right old ropey things going on out there,but this takes the biscuit.If you two are so high and mighty,then why is your English so bad? Have you ever heard of the expression ''Lived by the sword,Died by the sword''. I suggest you remember it quick.ATC is a very,very small world,and people have long memories.
Why are you discussing a trainee on an open forum? I saw some right old ropey things going on out there,but this takes the biscuit.If you two are so high and mighty,then why is your English so bad? Have you ever heard of the expression ''Lived by the sword,Died by the sword''. I suggest you remember it quick.ATC is a very,very small world,and people have long memories.
I see the heat in the kitchen has become too much for 38Controller and CC NDB. Speaking of which - how's our staff canteen going? Rumour has it, there are no takers to run it after the current contract runs out. Looks like we're stuck in the middle with no place to go and a bus timetable designed around office workers cushy hours.
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Congratulations to my colleage who got checked out on APP this week but must be a big worry for management that after 1 whole year only ONE trainee get rated so far! Yes ONE!
Hang on - we just lost one APP controller who retire recently, so where are we now
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Where is the problem lie? Selection? Training officer? No standard?
Will the next 1 get checked out just in time for next retirement?!
New ATCX??? Think they should forget it!!!
Hang on - we just lost one APP controller who retire recently, so where are we now
.Where is the problem lie? Selection? Training officer? No standard?
Will the next 1 get checked out just in time for next retirement?!
New ATCX??? Think they should forget it!!!
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Congratulations to my colleage who got checked out on APP this week but must be a big worry for management that after 1 whole year only ONE trainee get rated so far! Yes ONE!
http://www.hongkongairport.com/eng/pr/pr_906.html
And for that, we've netted a piddling 4.95% pay increase over the past 10 years.
(HONG KONG, 14 October 2007) - Hong Kong International Airport (HKIA) recorded solid growth during the first six months of fiscal 2007/08, with air traffic movements and passenger and cargo volumes increasing more than 6.0% in September alone.
In September 2007, HKIA served 3.82 million passengers, up 8.3% from September 2006. Cargo volume reached 342,000 tonnes, a 6.5% increase from 2006, while air traffic movements grew 6.1%, to 24,720.
For the six months ended 30 September 2007, passenger and cargo volumes grew 7.1% and 5.8%, respectively, to 24.3 million and 1.88 million tonnes. Air traffic movements rose 6.0%, to 149,030.
HKIA served 46.7 million passengers, handled 3.68 million tonnes of cargo and recorded 291,335 air traffic movements for the 12 months ended 30 September 2007. This represented increases of 7.4%, 4.0% and 4.8%, respectively, from the previous year.
In September 2007, HKIA served 3.82 million passengers, up 8.3% from September 2006. Cargo volume reached 342,000 tonnes, a 6.5% increase from 2006, while air traffic movements grew 6.1%, to 24,720.
For the six months ended 30 September 2007, passenger and cargo volumes grew 7.1% and 5.8%, respectively, to 24.3 million and 1.88 million tonnes. Air traffic movements rose 6.0%, to 149,030.
HKIA served 46.7 million passengers, handled 3.68 million tonnes of cargo and recorded 291,335 air traffic movements for the 12 months ended 30 September 2007. This represented increases of 7.4%, 4.0% and 4.8%, respectively, from the previous year.
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Sorry to resurrect this thread after so many years but I guess things must have improved as it's gone so quiet. I must admit I enjoyed reading most of the posts as I think a lot was learned or by being aired led to a greater understanding of problems on all sides.
How's the new centre coming along?
Any Gweilos left? That's to say gone, er, no I mean remaining.
On the beach
How's the new centre coming along?
Any Gweilos left? That's to say gone, er, no I mean remaining.
On the beach
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On the beach, they implemented new STARs and SIDs recently, in my ( and most of the work colleagues I speak to ) experiences, we have never been stuffed around so much, especially coming through Sierra.
The " new improved " shortened STARs looked good on paper but are rarely used ( normally significant vectoring to add track miles ) and now coming through DOTMI is worse too eg : heading SSW from DOTMI, ridiculous speed reductions ( 180IAS @ 30tr miles ), and even holding on days when the weather is fine.
This is the norm, it is very unusual to not get speed restrictions or extra trk miles.
It sucks
The " new improved " shortened STARs looked good on paper but are rarely used ( normally significant vectoring to add track miles ) and now coming through DOTMI is worse too eg : heading SSW from DOTMI, ridiculous speed reductions ( 180IAS @ 30tr miles ), and even holding on days when the weather is fine.
This is the norm, it is very unusual to not get speed restrictions or extra trk miles.
It sucks
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fooey, you must be new. heading SSW thru DOTMI has been standard stuff since the 90's, depending on time of day, and DOTMI arrivals have changed little since WW1... SIERA arrivals will always be a compromise because of the convoluted, unchangeable airspace design. Perhaps you could understand that the good folk in CAD who design and control these procedures do so TRYing to strike a balance between many extreme variables, many of which you have no idea about. Put simply, it aint easy. 
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McDude, thanks for backing me up, sometimes the controlling here is as bad as the 90s, that is, no improvement in 20 years.
Heading away from the airport ( sorry, that should have been SSE from DOTMI )at cruise speed is stupid and a waste of fuel, why can't we be given a " time over DOTMI " for example, or why can't we reduce spped whilst heading AWAY from the airport, thats airspace issues is it ?
Also passing abeam the threshold at FL190 with 100 odd track miles to run is ridiculous and a waste of fuel, and then someone 200nm east lands before you, this is not normal.
Heading away from the airport ( sorry, that should have been SSE from DOTMI )at cruise speed is stupid and a waste of fuel, why can't we be given a " time over DOTMI " for example, or why can't we reduce spped whilst heading AWAY from the airport, thats airspace issues is it ?
Also passing abeam the threshold at FL190 with 100 odd track miles to run is ridiculous and a waste of fuel, and then someone 200nm east lands before you, this is not normal.
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HKF, I don't understand. What's wrong with heading SSW after DOTMI? DOTMI - MAGOG is SSW, right? Would you rather have heading SSE?!!!
East sector radar controllers have to integrate DOTMI traffic with the ELATO traffic into one sequence. Therefore a little turn to the left from DOTMI is sometimes inevitable. I admit some controllers would excessively vector aircraft to acheive the spacing when speed control is more appropriate. On the othe hand, there are situations where vectoring is the best tool. Bear in mind that the East sector arrival airspace is very narrow. This is the reason why several turns are necessary.
J68, don't you carry holding fuel? isn't it mandatory?
East sector radar controllers have to integrate DOTMI traffic with the ELATO traffic into one sequence. Therefore a little turn to the left from DOTMI is sometimes inevitable. I admit some controllers would excessively vector aircraft to acheive the spacing when speed control is more appropriate. On the othe hand, there are situations where vectoring is the best tool. Bear in mind that the East sector arrival airspace is very narrow. This is the reason why several turns are necessary.
J68, don't you carry holding fuel? isn't it mandatory?
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Careless
There is some fuel carried but he just has to use his Commander's discretion and load what he needs, conditions for the day, you do not need to follow the CFP every time!
J68, don't you carry holding fuel? isn't it mandatory?
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Listen ATC boys and girls, I wouldn't take too much notice of that fooey guy, he's a renowned bleater and hater of everything that we do. Just ignore him. "On the Beach", do that, go to the beach!
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Bedder,
I did but the bloody Germans got here before me!
On the beach, again, now I've thrown some of their towels in the sea!!
"On the Beach", do that, go to the beach!
On the beach, again, now I've thrown some of their towels in the sea!!
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Don't normally pay much attention to the trivia and Nif Naf on this site but can't help myself on this one.... HKF....you are either completely delusional or just a wind-up, but in 14 years flying into HKG I have NEVER seen any holding when the WX was fine, and almost ALWAYS will get track shortening on the Siera arrivals when traffic permits, so crawl back into your hole, and come out when you have something constructive ( and accurate ) to say!
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G'day,
Geez is this hongkongphooey guy for real? First he dont know his SSW from his SSE. Blimey hope he's not up the pointy end next time me and the missis go back to Oz. Spose if hes comin through DOTMI he must be one of them reejunal jockeys, ever likely he cant tell is arse from is elbow.
Try tomorrow fer starters, and ask them blokes north of DOTMI, why dont yer?
Your tellin me mate. See them levers between youse and the boss ever thought of seein what happens when you pull them back? Doh.
Strewth I'm speechless which is saying somethin.
See yaz, Argus
Geez is this hongkongphooey guy for real? First he dont know his SSW from his SSE. Blimey hope he's not up the pointy end next time me and the missis go back to Oz. Spose if hes comin through DOTMI he must be one of them reejunal jockeys, ever likely he cant tell is arse from is elbow.
why can't we be given a " time over DOTMI "
Heading away from the airport at cruise speed is stupid
Strewth I'm speechless which is saying somethin.
See yaz, Argus
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You people complaining about the manners or standards of the ATC at HKG haven't been to JFK. Let me tell you, those JFK folks are real nasty son of bitches. I will punch them in the face if I ever encountered them in real life. Compared to them, HKG are the most professional and courteous ATC folks I have encountered.
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bekolblock
What are you trying to say?
Are you saying HKatc is no good?
HKFoolery
Give JFK a chance!
They have improved a lot since they put those aged 10 and under
in control
Are you saying HKatc is no good?
HKFoolery
Give JFK a chance!
They have improved a lot since they put those aged 10 and under
in control