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As far as this question is concerned, it depends on the airline(s) you apply to and how quickly you build time.
If you've got 1000 hours now, you'll be looking to log about another 1500 or so before a respectable medium jet operator (Air Canada, WestJet, Sunwing, Transat) would seriously entertain your application. Air Canada has a program set up with their Express carriers for movement to Big Red that could get you in the door quicker. Jazz has the biggest part of that pie and that is likely your best bet in the short to medium term to build time and get to narrow body somewhat quickly. The ALPA teams at WestJet and Encore are trying to figure out how to bring a version of their One-List back into play and if that does come back, that could make for an attractive spot as it has the potential to carry seniority over, which the AC system does not. It wouldn't be anywhere near as quick as the AC system, but it has the potential of carrying seniority, which as you will learn is more important in the long run. Speaking French darned near makes your resume gold for Transat, and Sunwing is a great spot if you're single and able to go to Europe during the summer. Even if you're not single, I know people who've moved their families over during the summer and they live the renting lifestyle.
Either way, don't wait for something "better" to come along if you're applying to multiple places. Apply to where you want to work first and if you don't hear back, apply to the places you're willing to work at. The train could stop tomorrow and you want to make sure you've got a good seat when it does.
If you've got 1000 hours now, you'll be looking to log about another 1500 or so before a respectable medium jet operator (Air Canada, WestJet, Sunwing, Transat) would seriously entertain your application. Air Canada has a program set up with their Express carriers for movement to Big Red that could get you in the door quicker. Jazz has the biggest part of that pie and that is likely your best bet in the short to medium term to build time and get to narrow body somewhat quickly. The ALPA teams at WestJet and Encore are trying to figure out how to bring a version of their One-List back into play and if that does come back, that could make for an attractive spot as it has the potential to carry seniority over, which the AC system does not. It wouldn't be anywhere near as quick as the AC system, but it has the potential of carrying seniority, which as you will learn is more important in the long run. Speaking French darned near makes your resume gold for Transat, and Sunwing is a great spot if you're single and able to go to Europe during the summer. Even if you're not single, I know people who've moved their families over during the summer and they live the renting lifestyle.
Either way, don't wait for something "better" to come along if you're applying to multiple places. Apply to where you want to work first and if you don't hear back, apply to the places you're willing to work at. The train could stop tomorrow and you want to make sure you've got a good seat when it does.
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so you mean that by joining one of : AC,WESTJET,TRANSAT OR SUNWING i Will fly widebody jets(a320/b737) from Day one or i need to spend another couple of years in narrow body jet before moving to bigger one
Sunwing and Swoop (I forgot about them in the previous post) are the only operators that currently fly only narrow-body aircraft, so that is where you would stay. Canadian JetLines may, or may not, be joining that list by December if you believe the hype...but that is the hype that's been brewing since I think 2013 without fact-checking, so I'll believe it when I see it.
WestJet has narrow and widebody aircraft, however, off-the-street (OTS) hires do not go to the widebody aircraft. That's going to the senior guys and it would be a while before you saw widebody. WestJet plays second fiddle to Air Canada, but I'd keep my eye on them, especially if it's a year or two before you'd be applying to a major airline. The buyout deal with Onex, if it goes through, could be a very good thing in the long run.
Air Canada and Transat have both narrow body and wide body, and both go to new hires depending on what the requirements are for the class. I know of people who started and they were all E190 pilots at AC and at AT I know of guys who went straight onto the A330. AC is in the process of buying AT. They've said the two airlines will be operated separately, in a similar way that Air France and KLM are operated, but winds change and there was a day Air Canada was flying the Canadian Goose on its tails (a different situation I know).
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Well, first you'll have to make sure you understand your terms. Narrow body refers to the likes of an A320/B737 or any similar sized, single-aisle transport category aircraft. Widebody refers to the likes of a 767/A330 or similar size, multi-aisle transport category aircraft.
Sunwing and Swoop (I forgot about them in the previous post) are the only operators that currently fly only narrow-body aircraft, so that is where you would stay. Canadian JetLines may, or may not, be joining that list by December if you believe the hype...but that is the hype that's been brewing since I think 2013 without fact-checking, so I'll believe it when I see it.
WestJet has narrow and widebody aircraft, however, off-the-street (OTS) hires do not go to the widebody aircraft. That's going to the senior guys and it would be a while before you saw widebody. WestJet plays second fiddle to Air Canada, but I'd keep my eye on them, especially if it's a year or two before you'd be applying to a major airline. The buyout deal with Onex, if it goes through, could be a very good thing in the long run.
Air Canada and Transat have both narrow body and wide body, and both go to new hires depending on what the requirements are for the class. I know of people who started and they were all E190 pilots at AC and at AT I know of guys who went straight onto the A330. AC is in the process of buying AT. They've said the two airlines will be operated separately, in a similar way that Air France and KLM are operated, but winds change and there was a day Air Canada was flying the Canadian Goose on its tails (a different situation I know).
Sunwing and Swoop (I forgot about them in the previous post) are the only operators that currently fly only narrow-body aircraft, so that is where you would stay. Canadian JetLines may, or may not, be joining that list by December if you believe the hype...but that is the hype that's been brewing since I think 2013 without fact-checking, so I'll believe it when I see it.
WestJet has narrow and widebody aircraft, however, off-the-street (OTS) hires do not go to the widebody aircraft. That's going to the senior guys and it would be a while before you saw widebody. WestJet plays second fiddle to Air Canada, but I'd keep my eye on them, especially if it's a year or two before you'd be applying to a major airline. The buyout deal with Onex, if it goes through, could be a very good thing in the long run.
Air Canada and Transat have both narrow body and wide body, and both go to new hires depending on what the requirements are for the class. I know of people who started and they were all E190 pilots at AC and at AT I know of guys who went straight onto the A330. AC is in the process of buying AT. They've said the two airlines will be operated separately, in a similar way that Air France and KLM are operated, but winds change and there was a day Air Canada was flying the Canadian Goose on its tails (a different situation I know).
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THANK YOU for the answer , sorry 😁😁😁 i thought that a320/b737 are widebodies . So what do we call planes like BOMBARDIER and DASH , Q400 . And Let's reform the question : Will i fly directly a320 And b737 after joining these company or i Will spend another years in a planes like BOMBARDIER , DASH , Q400
Second, as far as what you’ll fly, it really comes down to who you apply to and what they need at the time. No one has a crystal ball. I’ll try and rephrase my previous post as I thought I was fairly clear.
Sunwing, Swoop, Air Transat, WestJet, and Air Canada do not fly turbo-props. So whatever aircraft you’re put on when joining these companies, they’re going to be at least narrow-body jets, maybe wide-body if that’s what’s AT or AC need for your class.
However, your experience (1,000 hrs) does not permit you to apply to one of these operators and realistically expect a response, so you’d be looking to Jazz, Porter, Encore and the like who do fly Q400’s or CRJ’s to build your time.
So yes, you’re likely going to spend some time in the seat of a Q400 or CRJ before getting to a narrow-body jet. It’s a big jump for many people from a Cessna to a Q400, never mind to a 737/A320.
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First, there really isn’t a specific term for a transport category aircraft the size of a Q400. Technically, it would be narrow-body, but you’d get weird looks referring to it as such. Turbo-prop is about as tech-y as it gets.
Second, as far as what you’ll fly, it really comes down to who you apply to and what they need at the time. No one has a crystal ball. I’ll try and rephrase my previous post as I thought I was fairly clear.
Sunwing, Swoop, Air Transat, WestJet, and Air Canada do not fly turbo-props. So whatever aircraft you’re put on when joining these companies, they’re going to be at least narrow-body jets, maybe wide-body if that’s what’s AT or AC need for your class.
However, your experience (1,000 hrs) does not permit you to apply to one of these operators and realistically expect a response, so you’d be looking to Jazz, Porter, Encore and the like who do fly Q400’s or CRJ’s to build your time.
So yes, you’re likely going to spend some time in the seat of a Q400 or CRJ before getting to a narrow-body jet. It’s a big jump for many people from a Cessna to a Q400, never mind to a 737/A320.
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Habib,
why waste your time with Canada and the crap industry over here when you could apply for any number of Cadet programs offered in the Maghreb or Gulf? Emirates will stick you on a 777, A380, or A330. Qatar, the A320 at a minimum. Why f**k around in the right seat of a Canadian Dash8 or RJ when you could fly internationally for numerous carriers outside Europe or Canada?
There are better paths to a much more rewarding flying career by looking outside Canada.
Ahlaan wahsalaan bikum huna.
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why waste your time with Canada and the crap industry over here when you could apply for any number of Cadet programs offered in the Maghreb or Gulf? Emirates will stick you on a 777, A380, or A330. Qatar, the A320 at a minimum. Why f**k around in the right seat of a Canadian Dash8 or RJ when you could fly internationally for numerous carriers outside Europe or Canada?
There are better paths to a much more rewarding flying career by looking outside Canada.
Ahlaan wahsalaan bikum huna.
Willie Everlearn
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Habib,
why waste your time with Canada and the crap industry over here when you could apply for any number of Cadet programs offered in the Maghreb or Gulf? Emirates will stick you on a 777, A380, or A330. Qatar, the A320 at a minimum. Why f**k around in the right seat of a Canadian Dash8 or RJ when you could fly internationally for numerous carriers outside Europe or Canada?
There are better paths to a much more rewarding flying career by looking outside Canada.
Ahlaan wahsalaan bikum huna.
Willie Everlearn
why waste your time with Canada and the crap industry over here when you could apply for any number of Cadet programs offered in the Maghreb or Gulf? Emirates will stick you on a 777, A380, or A330. Qatar, the A320 at a minimum. Why f**k around in the right seat of a Canadian Dash8 or RJ when you could fly internationally for numerous carriers outside Europe or Canada?
There are better paths to a much more rewarding flying career by looking outside Canada.
Ahlaan wahsalaan bikum huna.
Willie Everlearn
i am tunisian and there is no cadet program in Africa but in the gulf yes there's at least 4 :
-etihad mpl: closed now.
-qatar airways , air arabia , air nass: cost more than 120 k€ and the maximum age is 28 for qatar and 31 for air arabia and now i'm 28 so i am not certain If i can make all this money before 31 .
fly emirates : so expensive 200 k$ and i think it's opened only for locals and tunisia have a bad diplomatic relations with Uae after 2011 revolution and they stopped giving working visa for tunisians in all the fields .
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First, there really isn’t a specific term for a transport category aircraft the size of a Q400. Technically, it would be narrow-body, but you’d get weird looks referring to it as such. Turbo-prop is about as tech-y as it gets.
Second, as far as what you’ll fly, it really comes down to who you apply to and what they need at the time. No one has a crystal ball. I’ll try and rephrase my previous post as I thought I was fairly clear.
Sunwing, Swoop, Air Transat, WestJet, and Air Canada do not fly turbo-props. So whatever aircraft you’re put on when joining these companies, they’re going to be at least narrow-body jets, maybe wide-body if that’s what’s AT or AC need for your class.
However, your experience (1,000 hrs) does not permit you to apply to one of these operators and realistically expect a response, so you’d be looking to Jazz, Porter, Encore and the like who do fly Q400’s or CRJ’s to build your time.
So yes, you’re likely going to spend some time in the seat of a Q400 or CRJ before getting to a narrow-body jet. It’s a big jump for many people from a Cessna to a Q400, never mind to a 737/A320.
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then promotion to a regional captain or jet first officer in AC,AT or wesjet ?
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[QUOTE=evansb;10517600]Fly a Twin Otter with wheel-skis in the dark Arctic winter. Fly a Cessna 185 on floats in the late twilight of a smoke filled sky of a Yukon or Northwest Territories summer. Fly an entire family and their groceries in an old Piper Navajo in the winter of a province that begins north of the 49th parallel. Fly an aerial applicator (spray plane) while hung over in a hot dry southern Alberta summer. Fly leaky King Airs on MEDEVACS on Sunday, 0245 hours a.m., from a snow covered unploughed runway to an even shorter snowy unploughed runway. Dump fire retardant whilst looking through a bug splattered windscreen on a forest fire in a narrow B.C. valley when the OAT is 32 degrees Celsius. Only when when you have done the aforementioned should you apply for a Canadian Air Transport Pilot License. And only then. Thank you.[/QUOTE
i Think these jobs you had stated is to build hours before the first regional first officer job . Iam asking About the realistic path for a pilot after the first regional job and how many years does it take every one( REG FO the REG CA then MAJOR FO then MAJOR CA) and is it possible to move from regional first officer job to a jet first officer in a major airline directly ?
i Think these jobs you had stated is to build hours before the first regional first officer job . Iam asking About the realistic path for a pilot after the first regional job and how many years does it take every one( REG FO the REG CA then MAJOR FO then MAJOR CA) and is it possible to move from regional first officer job to a jet first officer in a major airline directly ?
