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brucelee,
Thanks again, the experience I do have and you've helped me feel a great deal more positive about the process and potential at A/C......thanks.
I've read your posts through out this thread and found them to be very informative and creditable; I for one appreciate you guys taking the time to assist those of us trying to get a foot in the door.
Thanks again, the experience I do have and you've helped me feel a great deal more positive about the process and potential at A/C......thanks.
I've read your posts through out this thread and found them to be very informative and creditable; I for one appreciate you guys taking the time to assist those of us trying to get a foot in the door.
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Slowstream. You're welcome.
I recall the frustration about not knowing what to expect. Word of mouth was the best source at the time when I was going thru the process. It just proves these forums do have a positive side. I suspect other airlines in this country will be doing some hiring and hopefully some info will make it on this forum. Some pretty good jobs out there to be had. Good time to be marketable.
I recall the frustration about not knowing what to expect. Word of mouth was the best source at the time when I was going thru the process. It just proves these forums do have a positive side. I suspect other airlines in this country will be doing some hiring and hopefully some info will make it on this forum. Some pretty good jobs out there to be had. Good time to be marketable.
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bitter. man, no way. You got me all wrong pal. I'm pretty secure and happy where I am c150. Haven't you noticed you kinda stand out as a lonely instigator?
On a more positive and informative note, latest rumor has it first course in July. Apparantly for the first course, preference is being given to those who were in the last pool and those who are on contract as instructors now.
Number of new hires required is in the hundreds within the next few yrs.
On a more positive and informative note, latest rumor has it first course in July. Apparantly for the first course, preference is being given to those who were in the last pool and those who are on contract as instructors now.
Number of new hires required is in the hundreds within the next few yrs.
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Thanks Brucelee,just heard this from a friend at AC.
New Hire start date July 4th. Hiring every 3 weeks thereafter. 30-40 pilots per course.
The 60 in the pool will be hired first
I have been in the pool since April of 2001
New Hire start date July 4th. Hiring every 3 weeks thereafter. 30-40 pilots per course.
The 60 in the pool will be hired first
I have been in the pool since April of 2001
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Inuksuk & brucelee,
That's great news for a lot of people!!! Thanks for keeping everybody in the loop!
With the numbers being stated........man that's a lot of people, I can't help but wonder about how difficult it might be for the company to find people with the experience after a while. I hope things go well for a lot of us!
That's great news for a lot of people!!! Thanks for keeping everybody in the loop!
With the numbers being stated........man that's a lot of people, I can't help but wonder about how difficult it might be for the company to find people with the experience after a while. I hope things go well for a lot of us!
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slostream. Last time they hired, the experience level was high. They came from everywhere. The company chose pilots who could go direct-entry capt on the RJ. Now that the RJ is leaving, I suspect the requirements for such high experience will also be gone. Hirees will go on Emb f/o, 340 and 767 rp. The hardest part will be the medical and the 550 course (AC FOM). By the way, hotels and meals are paid for during training. Emb in yul and 340/767 in yyz. Party on dudes
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Here's the scoop that I've heard -
1. Previous pool to be hired first and EMB FO or cruise relief on the long haulers will be offered based on need and domicile. If you're based in or around YVR, likely cruise relief is all yours, for example...bit of an exaggeration, but you get the drift.
2. Total time requirements it's been suggested will be around the 2500 TT - which is lower than before - and I have even heard, subject to other criteria being fulfilled (ie professional aviation programme completion), 1800 TT might even be enough for the future). Believe there is a firm bias anyway towards a professional aviation programme being completed. Also good solid multi turbine is essential - and the more you have, the more chance there is. Military also a good place to sniff around, but I had heard some reservations about hiring straight out of the military, not entirely sure how valid that is. mind you. Probably some individual biases.
3. The management is worried about a potential shortage, and is quietly eyeing the potential of introducing a cadet-scheme - bit like Cathay or BA - for the future.
4. New candidates, as I said before, with the new ACE policy of outsourcing most adminny type things, have to go through screening by an external agency, the rumour of an extensive psychy test and group scenarios seems solid, to be followed the next day with the remainder of the interview, medical then sim test, inlcuding, as slowstream says, all the usual basic airmanship qualities and dealing with one single failure, but not at a critical point, e.g. cruise.
5. Training is buzzing and one instructor on the 67 I know looks frazzled. Sequencing the sim sessions is going to be challenging...The medical dept. is also gearing up for lines of naked candidates - i had actually heard more than 80. Imagine what Irene would do if she was still around
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6. Lastly, resumes are literally flying in from Canjet, Harmony, even a few from Transat and of course, as we all hoped - exJetsgoers. The guys at 5G have been recalled to the line also - and I suspect those jet jocks will have their resumes processed PDQ. So, for those who don't make it through the red and white door this time, plenty of opportunity out there as AC leads the hiring boom.
brucelee - did I miss anything ?
Apart from the flight deck uniform evaluation of course...
Blue side up guys and gals!
1. Previous pool to be hired first and EMB FO or cruise relief on the long haulers will be offered based on need and domicile. If you're based in or around YVR, likely cruise relief is all yours, for example...bit of an exaggeration, but you get the drift.
2. Total time requirements it's been suggested will be around the 2500 TT - which is lower than before - and I have even heard, subject to other criteria being fulfilled (ie professional aviation programme completion), 1800 TT might even be enough for the future). Believe there is a firm bias anyway towards a professional aviation programme being completed. Also good solid multi turbine is essential - and the more you have, the more chance there is. Military also a good place to sniff around, but I had heard some reservations about hiring straight out of the military, not entirely sure how valid that is. mind you. Probably some individual biases.
3. The management is worried about a potential shortage, and is quietly eyeing the potential of introducing a cadet-scheme - bit like Cathay or BA - for the future.
4. New candidates, as I said before, with the new ACE policy of outsourcing most adminny type things, have to go through screening by an external agency, the rumour of an extensive psychy test and group scenarios seems solid, to be followed the next day with the remainder of the interview, medical then sim test, inlcuding, as slowstream says, all the usual basic airmanship qualities and dealing with one single failure, but not at a critical point, e.g. cruise.
5. Training is buzzing and one instructor on the 67 I know looks frazzled. Sequencing the sim sessions is going to be challenging...The medical dept. is also gearing up for lines of naked candidates - i had actually heard more than 80. Imagine what Irene would do if she was still around
??6. Lastly, resumes are literally flying in from Canjet, Harmony, even a few from Transat and of course, as we all hoped - exJetsgoers. The guys at 5G have been recalled to the line also - and I suspect those jet jocks will have their resumes processed PDQ. So, for those who don't make it through the red and white door this time, plenty of opportunity out there as AC leads the hiring boom.
brucelee - did I miss anything ?
Apart from the flight deck uniform evaluation of course...
Blue side up guys and gals!
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Great info, you guys are good.
How long from the start of training to completion?What are the starting salaries up to year 3?I have seen the numbers on the airline pay website but do they include the cuts from CCAA?
There is sure going to be alot of pilot jobs coming from somewhere in the near future.
I can see alot of CanJet guys applying.Their pay and schedule is really bad according to some friends of mine who fly for them.
Are the EMB's all based out of YYZ?What routes are they going on?
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How long from the start of training to completion?What are the starting salaries up to year 3?I have seen the numbers on the airline pay website but do they include the cuts from CCAA?
There is sure going to be alot of pilot jobs coming from somewhere in the near future.
I can see alot of CanJet guys applying.Their pay and schedule is really bad according to some friends of mine who fly for them.
Are the EMB's all based out of YYZ?What routes are they going on?
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Using the guidelines of the last hiring, you start with the FOM course (550) I think is about two weeks long. This is a quick look at various company policies ie fuel, flt time limits, overseas ops, etc etc.
Near the end of the course you will be given your equipment assignment and off to ground school which is about another two weeks. Then followed by sim, 2-3 weeks and your ride. Line indoc is another week or so. That is my best recollection. To be quite frank, all this stuff is thrown at you pretty quik. Like trying to get a glass of water out of a fire hose. Our contract states you cannot work more than five days in a row during training I believe. Weekends off during all grnd schools.
Salary, not sure but low 40 to low 50 for first two yrs, then 60-70 third yr. based on the new position group salary structure. All this will depend on movement. You might find yourself on A320 f/o making 90k + yr. but not sooner than 2 yrs.
EMB to be based in yyz and yul. 340/767 rp yyz and yvr. Emb will do mix of RJ and 320 flying, ie rapidairs and yyz-caribean, west coast. RP flying is worldwide. 777 to be mainly yyz based from what we hear at this point but I suspect one or two in yvr as well. That's all folks. Any other input from other AC guys?
PS. You lucky guys won't have to memorize the morse code as we now have Jepp charts with codes on them and once the RJ leaves, all our machines have auto-tune radios.
Near the end of the course you will be given your equipment assignment and off to ground school which is about another two weeks. Then followed by sim, 2-3 weeks and your ride. Line indoc is another week or so. That is my best recollection. To be quite frank, all this stuff is thrown at you pretty quik. Like trying to get a glass of water out of a fire hose. Our contract states you cannot work more than five days in a row during training I believe. Weekends off during all grnd schools.
Salary, not sure but low 40 to low 50 for first two yrs, then 60-70 third yr. based on the new position group salary structure. All this will depend on movement. You might find yourself on A320 f/o making 90k + yr. but not sooner than 2 yrs.
EMB to be based in yyz and yul. 340/767 rp yyz and yvr. Emb will do mix of RJ and 320 flying, ie rapidairs and yyz-caribean, west coast. RP flying is worldwide. 777 to be mainly yyz based from what we hear at this point but I suspect one or two in yvr as well. That's all folks. Any other input from other AC guys?
PS. You lucky guys won't have to memorize the morse code as we now have Jepp charts with codes on them and once the RJ leaves, all our machines have auto-tune radios.
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OK - I was typing a similar message to brucelee's but as usual he beat me to it....are you sure you're not an CF-16 pilot bruce...you're quick!!
OK - here's my take
1 Heard low $50s for year 1 and 2, plus allowances. Wait time to get to something like A320 series FO on $90 or so is probably 3-4 years, something like that.
2 Cruise relief all YYZ and YVR - and will be initially Airbus and 76, with migration from 343,345 to 777ER,LR all at YYZ - but that makes no sense to me, but what the hell do I know ?? The 777-300 is badly needed for the LHR run - the 76s that do the majority of it don't have the capacity anymore, although we see some A333s doing a lot more during peak times.
3. EMB base is YUL and YYZ only, and will take on what the CRJ did along with some A320 runs - the usual North East and other regionals and of course, runs where the capacity of an A320 isn't needed. From all accounts, it's a sweet machine.
4. The training takes no prisoners - and you either run out the gate or you are screwed. Time is of the essence. 550 course needs pre-work in order to get you through it in my opinion, and about 2-3 weeks - probably two. Monday through Friday only during training - yep. If you don't know the FoM then you are again screwed. Late nights and early starts boys and girls.
5. Groundschool after equipment allocation is going to be 2 or three weeks, sim rides same duration - and prepared to be totally whacked - these are tough days ahead. Line doc follows and off you jolly well go...
Not sure what the plan is with the stragglers - can't remember what the fall-out rate was last time.
Ahh, yes the Jeppesen contract. I was speaking to a KLM crew (I am now off gin for life) the other day, on the 777, and guess what...the electronic flight bag is so unreliable, the charts are what they live by...
- -. --- --- .-.. (good luck - straight from the chart
)
P.S. How much should we charge for this info ? I am keen to open Brucelee-Inuksuk Career Guidance for Aviation Professionals. We'd make a bloody fortune...
OK - here's my take
1 Heard low $50s for year 1 and 2, plus allowances. Wait time to get to something like A320 series FO on $90 or so is probably 3-4 years, something like that.
2 Cruise relief all YYZ and YVR - and will be initially Airbus and 76, with migration from 343,345 to 777ER,LR all at YYZ - but that makes no sense to me, but what the hell do I know ?? The 777-300 is badly needed for the LHR run - the 76s that do the majority of it don't have the capacity anymore, although we see some A333s doing a lot more during peak times.
3. EMB base is YUL and YYZ only, and will take on what the CRJ did along with some A320 runs - the usual North East and other regionals and of course, runs where the capacity of an A320 isn't needed. From all accounts, it's a sweet machine.
4. The training takes no prisoners - and you either run out the gate or you are screwed. Time is of the essence. 550 course needs pre-work in order to get you through it in my opinion, and about 2-3 weeks - probably two. Monday through Friday only during training - yep. If you don't know the FoM then you are again screwed. Late nights and early starts boys and girls.
5. Groundschool after equipment allocation is going to be 2 or three weeks, sim rides same duration - and prepared to be totally whacked - these are tough days ahead. Line doc follows and off you jolly well go...
Not sure what the plan is with the stragglers - can't remember what the fall-out rate was last time.
Ahh, yes the Jeppesen contract. I was speaking to a KLM crew (I am now off gin for life) the other day, on the 777, and guess what...the electronic flight bag is so unreliable, the charts are what they live by...
- -. --- --- .-.. (good luck - straight from the chart
)P.S. How much should we charge for this info ? I am keen to open Brucelee-Inuksuk Career Guidance for Aviation Professionals. We'd make a bloody fortune...
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Inuk. I agree. Once again good info. Wish I would of had this forum five yrs ago. The 550 course is alot of info but don't be scared. Most nights were party nights for my course except before a quiz day. All multiple choice stuff. Yep, sure had some good times at Arizonas and the place next door. The instructors are retired widebody guys (old farts) who are pretty good at lending a hand.
By the way, saw some new F/a recruits the other day - much better. I think we're starting to get somewhere in that dept.
By the way, saw some new F/a recruits the other day - much better. I think we're starting to get somewhere in that dept.
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WHAT ? Good looking Flight Attendants ??
No more blue rinses and varicose veins ?
I'm gutted.....
Also, this is BEFORE Inuk was married - but this is the new version of where one celebration took place during my own intro to Maple Leaf Land...ah yes, memories
www.thelandingstrip-club.com
PS Saw the new FA uniform the other day on a well endowed older lady...not flattering. Not flattering at all... Apparently, have you heard that flight deck might be going dark blue white and red too ? Sounds like we might get confused with Speedbird jocks...
No more blue rinses and varicose veins ?
I'm gutted.....
Also, this is BEFORE Inuk was married - but this is the new version of where one celebration took place during my own intro to Maple Leaf Land...ah yes, memories
www.thelandingstrip-club.com
PS Saw the new FA uniform the other day on a well endowed older lady...not flattering. Not flattering at all... Apparently, have you heard that flight deck might be going dark blue white and red too ? Sounds like we might get confused with Speedbird jocks...