Red Team hiring?

[Lost in Saigon]

Take a look:

http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=y...YLE=&ETOPS=180

180 mins covers most of the world now.

[GearDoor]

Thanks for that. I actually have that site bookmarked on my computer at home. I guess 180 min would pretty much cover most everything.

[zorx]

quit while your ahead

Save your head and wallet and maybe get a life.I switched careers and now 9-5 with 65k a year with know seniority list crpolla.Good luck sucker and good luck learning mandarine.

Zen Pilot

[brucelee]

Bye bye,au revoir,olfidezen,sayanara,ciao.....

[Sawbones]

zorx:

Sounds to me like aviation is better off without you - and you are better off without aviation. Bragging about 9-5 .... yikes, what a scary thought.

[cplpilot]

i have a 9-5 with 90k per year but i would sale my soul for a pilot job!

[c150driver]

Cplpilot...that's the problem...too many of us have sold our souls and now the industry is sh#t!


I've just heard from an AC pilot that starting pay is $50,000+ (which is a little different from the link posted earlier)...what's the straight deal? Anyone know?

Thanks

[brucelee]

AC flat pay approx $50k/yr. plus per diems of $8-10k/yr(non taxble). Flat pay is for two yrs then you go in a pay group salary of aprox $60-70k/yr plus the same per diem. You are frozen on the equipment you are awarded for the first five yrs. After that you can bid on equipment that's not in pay group i.e. f/o A320 and make approx $100k/yr. Don't expect to make more than $100k/yr for the first five yrs. Of course the company can wave all this and you may find yourself out of the the pay group much sooner i.e. if more widebody f/o's are required in the near future in which you make good coin much sooner. Sounds confusing? It is. Take note that wide-body captains from other Canadian companies have quit their jobs to come to AC even at the lower starting wages. Why? At AC you work 80 hrs a month (about 2 weeks a month), captains on wide-bodies make $200k/yr plus and your pension will be close to what you were making on the line. AC pay rates are changing due to new arriving equipment in the new year and beyond- B777/787 and Embraers. As this is a new salary structure and my version may not be accurate, I invite other AC people to correct me. Thanks.

[Saltaire]

I think that might be a bit optimistic.......circa 2000 or so. New pay rates are lower and the two year flat is very low ( scam ). I made less than 40k. Group rate for relief and small jets are poor. However, still the best show in Canada, but the gravy days are gone, and very few are making over 200k. Pension? You wait to see what happens when 400+ pilots retire on 100k/year in the next four years. The younger group will not be so lucky. Of course, it still beats 9-5 all day long.

[Lost in Saigon]

I got this from another forum:

Frst year flat is now 37,740 (44,400-15%).

Some furloughed guys will be be returnuiing to a few months of first year flat pay before they transition to second year flat pay minus the 15%.

[cplpilot]

C150driver, you are 100% right. I keep saying to everybody that pilots deserve more. I spent 60K on my CPL and now if i want a job, i have to spend 2 years up north pumping gas on a pilatus for 12$ an hour. Other professional like doctors or lawyers are much more recognized... i wonder if unions (like in Europe) might help the situation...

[c150driver]

Pretty sad for Canadian aviation when those pay rates are the best show around

[Saltaire]

It does get better and 100k is possible within about 5-7 years. Good attrition in all dept's in the next few years so positive movement in that regard. It also means younger flight attendants to keep you company. Have to think glass half full.........

[cplpilot]

That is true, too....but i don't like to pay child support ...seems that when you are married the glass is always empty.... Good luck guys and sorry for my english...

[meaw]

The latest numbers given to me by an ACPA leader is for about 300 pilots per year for the next 5 years (approximately 800 for retirements and 700 for growth)

First interviews this summer with first courses in the fall.The preliminary interviews will be carried out by an outside HR firm followed by the rest with AC people.I do not know what exactly the process will now be but I was told it has changed a lot since the last hirings.

I was also told that the guys on the waiting list from Jazz will have to reapply wich sucks big time for them.

[slowstream]

Just Curious, from anyone on the inside or in the know what your thoughts are on this one.

I was one of the guys in the Jazz Pool since prior to 9/11 and I am not going to complain about the pool being disolved. If I am going to go through all those hoops again so to speak I figured I would do it for A/C Mainline given all the pro's and Con's either way, so I applied a couple months ago to mainline.

What I would like thoughts or opinions on, is would mailine review any of my previous interview or sim eval records from Jazz? Would this work for or against me? or no effect at all?

I am thrilled with how well A/C is doing and congrats to all the guys called back, it's been a long road. With the numbers I've heard and seen posted here the odds are good given my time and experience and as well for others. But it is human nature to want feedback from people in the know or on the inside.

Thanks in advance for anyones thoughts and good luck to all, I hope and pray that it is a long and enjoyable ride for many.

[brucelee]

slowstream. The old practice was to not look at any past records unless a problem comes up. Believe it or not it could very well be Jazz management who raise a flag to the mainline. The last sim evals were being done in various sims ie DC9, 737. I suspect the next sim evals will be CRJ, EMB(yul) or even 767. I doubt the A320. Anyhow the sim eval use to be one normal t/o, steep turns, a hold, and a couple of approaches. Sound familiar? Basic IFR without any emergencies. Having remeniced all this, times have changed. The initial group will be the guiny pigs.

[Inuksuk]

Good luck on getting in. Lots of evals likely on the 76s as brucelee says. Looking for basic airmanship in the sims - by the sounds of it, nothing you haven't done before. Past record, unless there is a problem not taken into account, but there are many without a flag against them.

If you're coming from the outside, understand things are very different this time with an outside consultancy doing the initial interviews, perhaps even group sessions is the rumour I've heard, before the usual interview, tests and checks.

Brucelee - does that sum up what you've heard? Also, seen the news about the merger or " close alliance" with US, AWA ??? It's starting to seep out now.

[slowstream]

Thanks Guys,

I appreciate the insights and good wishes. Yeah the sim eval is pretty much what you said other than one emerg (Eng fire) no big deal.

One more question if you don't mind and again I understand that things are/have changed and having had the previous C.P experience (take the candidate with the best education/background) I somewhat should expect the same answer I would give. However I don't have a degree or a military background and I am curious as to how big of an issue this could be for me.

Any thoughts other than the obvious?

[brucelee]

Inuk. That's pretty much it. Info is seeping out in bits and pieces from various sources. The new ACE will no doubt do things somewhat different but much of the past culture is still there.

Slowstream. In the past there was a point system, ie military experience was worth so many points, university degree so many and so on. It won't be just one thing that gets you in. Being "born to an AC father" is only worth so much contrary to the ignorance stated by someone else on this forum. Past airline experience, especially turbine/jet is worth its wieght in gold.
Good luck.