BA CC industrial relations (current airline staff only)
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So what now? Revenge is a dish best served cold. Reject the latest proposal.
An industrial tribunal has thrown out his unfair dismissal claim remarkably quickly as it ascertained that not bothering to turn up to work several times was breach of contract thus making him 'on of the fallen'.
Surely when this dispute is finally over he will no longer be in a position to be the BASSA secretary. I feel he has burned his bridges with the Unite heirarchy with his ill though out rhetoric and intimidatory tactics. Once the dispute is concluded Mr Holley will, possibly, have nowhere to go.
It all points to pressure to continue the dispute for another round of cakes and beer at Bedfont. Once again BASSA demonstrating protectionism of the upper echelons at the cost of the lower ranking members.
Quite sad really.
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in query to the above response, has Mr H lost his unfair dismissal tribunal ? Where did you read that? No mention an the other forums, unless I've missed it.
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in query to the above response, has Mr H lost his unfair dismissal tribunal ? Where did you read that? No mention an the other forums, unless I've missed it.
Old news.
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So, that leaves me with a question; if these dismissals have been held up as watertight by the Tribunals then is there any point at all in having ACAS taking a second look as a reason to ballot?
I've already forgotten the other reasons to ballot because I stopped reading all the stuff about striking for a few weeks as we were all told that Unite thought it was a good deal !
Surely Unite will turn their attention to the 500,000 public sector workers from now on and just put this one to bed.
I've already forgotten the other reasons to ballot because I stopped reading all the stuff about striking for a few weeks as we were all told that Unite thought it was a good deal !
Surely Unite will turn their attention to the 500,000 public sector workers from now on and just put this one to bed.
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So, that leaves me with a question; if these dismissals have been held up as watertight by the Tribunals then is there any point at all in having ACAS taking a second look as a reason to ballot?
Surely Unite will turn their attention to the 500,000 public sector workers from now on and just put this one to bed.
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It really won't matter too much how the last few in Bassa vote, WW has promised almost 100% of flights operational with volunteers and reduced compliments.
Just accept the deal whilst the olive branch is still out, nothing has been gained from striking so far so just as much will be gained next time. All a tad pointless.
I fully understand wanting to get ST back and protecting current terms on the current existing fleets; I'm on one of them. ST will be fully (in 2013)restored long before any court and appeals procedure would be exhausted.
Let's put this ordeal behind us and move on; PLEASE.
Just accept the deal whilst the olive branch is still out, nothing has been gained from striking so far so just as much will be gained next time. All a tad pointless.
I fully understand wanting to get ST back and protecting current terms on the current existing fleets; I'm on one of them. ST will be fully (in 2013)restored long before any court and appeals procedure would be exhausted.
Let's put this ordeal behind us and move on; PLEASE.
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Is there a process in place where CC can leave the union and stop paying dues if they wish. Or is BA a "closed shop" where one essentially has to join the union if they are offered a position as CC (like most legacy carriers in the US) ?
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Could all have been planning how to spend our bonuses!
.... or planning where to take the kids with the extra free ticket
... or deciding what to do with the free shares we got for negotiating in an adult fashion
... or not worrying about the low level of top up payment because we secured a decent MTP.
DH we have so much to thank you and your circus for, I just can't put it into words!
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Sadly I fear LIB DEM
I might be a very long trip for you .....
If only it could all be sorted so quickly .
I fear that certain parties have no inclination to bring this to a close anytime soon.
I might be a very long trip for you .....
If only it could all be sorted so quickly .
I fear that certain parties have no inclination to bring this to a close anytime soon.
Let's not forget that all of this could have been over many months ago if the thousands of non-militant BASSA members had not decided to "send willie a message" and voted for strike and to support their dillusional union.
Will it be over soon? - In my opinion, no.
Will it end badly for the majority of current CC? - In my opinion, yes.
If you were running an airline and had tried for 18 months to get the CC to agree to measures and were persistantly rebuffed, would you really want them back in the fold, ready to cause trouble over the slightest thing?
Will it be over soon? - In my opinion, no.
Will it end badly for the majority of current CC? - In my opinion, yes.
If you were running an airline and had tried for 18 months to get the CC to agree to measures and were persistantly rebuffed, would you really want them back in the fold, ready to cause trouble over the slightest thing?
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Either way, there are too many loopholes (refer to the CF and BASSA forums for details). I will vote NO to this proposal.
So as others have asked before me, what will it take you to say YES?
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They offer assurances, not guarantees or contractual binding agreement, regarding Mixed Fleet.
Part-time to current crew? In order to replace current crew (which according to BA are expensive) by cheaper crew.
BA say that they will transfer route and aircraft according to commercial need. Why not say that BA will transfer all expensive routes to Mixed Fleet including future aircraft?
What else do we have? They say that future promotions on existing fleets will be on present terms and conditions. What chance do current main crew have for promotion as BA have too many pursers at the moment as purser positions onboard have been reduced including that existing fleets will shrink as Mixed Fleet will grow?
Regarding the top-up payment, they are including a no-strike clause in the proposal.
One of the most interesting bits is that they will serve an 8 week notice on all existing facilities agreements if an agreement has not been reached by then. So, either accept the deal or BA will implement further impositions. How kind of them.
To current Amicus and BASSA members: vote NO to this proposal. It's not even worth the paper it's been written on.
Part-time to current crew? In order to replace current crew (which according to BA are expensive) by cheaper crew.
BA say that they will transfer route and aircraft according to commercial need. Why not say that BA will transfer all expensive routes to Mixed Fleet including future aircraft?
What else do we have? They say that future promotions on existing fleets will be on present terms and conditions. What chance do current main crew have for promotion as BA have too many pursers at the moment as purser positions onboard have been reduced including that existing fleets will shrink as Mixed Fleet will grow?
Regarding the top-up payment, they are including a no-strike clause in the proposal.
One of the most interesting bits is that they will serve an 8 week notice on all existing facilities agreements if an agreement has not been reached by then. So, either accept the deal or BA will implement further impositions. How kind of them.
To current Amicus and BASSA members: vote NO to this proposal. It's not even worth the paper it's been written on.
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You raise some valid concerns. What would be probably seen as a positive, is if in the spirit of the new world, the offer was seen as broadly acceptable, but then start to explore the future safeguards required. BA are using words such as fair, so use the words to clarify your doubts.
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Miss M's post sums up the BASSA problem, who controls the rostering, routing and deployment of the Cabin Crew? BA or BASSA?
Sadly there are no guarantees in this world. I truely wish there were and I am well aware that the department I work in will be negotiating constantly to maintain the status quo but I am very aware that guarantees mean nothing.
The transfer of routes is, surely, up to the company? That is why they have the analysts, the financiers the lawyers the managers etc. etc. etc. Not up to BASSA with all of their expertise in the world of corporate airlines.
Promotion based on productivity? Hmmm, how many other people reading this have that in the workplace? Probably most!
As has been said before, the current financial state of the company is down to the revised business plan implemented a year ago and showing its benefit now. The company cannot reneage on that plan and, as such, will impose the changes required on the only department not to have negotiated a deal.
Reap what you sow.
Sadly there are no guarantees in this world. I truely wish there were and I am well aware that the department I work in will be negotiating constantly to maintain the status quo but I am very aware that guarantees mean nothing.
The transfer of routes is, surely, up to the company? That is why they have the analysts, the financiers the lawyers the managers etc. etc. etc. Not up to BASSA with all of their expertise in the world of corporate airlines.
Promotion based on productivity? Hmmm, how many other people reading this have that in the workplace? Probably most!
As has been said before, the current financial state of the company is down to the revised business plan implemented a year ago and showing its benefit now. The company cannot reneage on that plan and, as such, will impose the changes required on the only department not to have negotiated a deal.
Reap what you sow.