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Might not always agree with you but I really admire that you have the balls to put forward your point of view in a respectful manner when it would be so much easier to take the path of least resistance and just join in with the sheep on other forums
Might not always agree with you but I really admire that you have the balls to put forward your point of view in a respectful manner when it would be so much easier to take the path of least resistance and just join in with the sheep on other forums
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For Miss M (or anyone else who shares Miss M's views):
What do you expect a new strike to achieve given the lack of success of the previous strikes?
What do you expect a new strike to achieve given the lack of success of the previous strikes?
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The volatile oil prices and political unrest are indeed now taking their affect on the cabin crew community. The Haneda is suspended for a short time now along with Tripoli. This is causing problems for Mixed Fleet Crew who operate these routes as it is meaning more home stand byes and changes to rosters. The rumours aboutey an announcement today re Mixed Fleet have gained momentum with the money being on a great pay increase. Who knows ? Galley FM and the other forums are now wild with it.
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Where are you getting these figures from?
It is almost impossible to compare many of the statistics because some fleets hand out surveys and on some fleets customers do it on line.
It is almost impossible to compare many of the statistics because some fleets hand out surveys and on some fleets customers do it on line.
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Just my thoughts Betty Girl. Plus the fact that there are only 5 MF European routes operating at the moment (would be 6 if TIP was operational) and 6 long-haul (would be 7 but for Haneda). LGW likewise has less routes than LHR so I don't see how they can be compared with LH LHR.
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Good point.
You can't compare any of the figures.
Different demographics of the passengers plus different fleets surveying at present in different ways.
The figures that you should be looking at are the targets each fleet are set and whether your fleet achieved those targets or not.
What gets me the most, is that two people can post unsubstantiated information and many people will just believe it as if it is fact!!!
Good point.
You can't compare any of the figures.
Different demographics of the passengers plus different fleets surveying at present in different ways.
The figures that you should be looking at are the targets each fleet are set and whether your fleet achieved those targets or not.
What gets me the most, is that two people can post unsubstantiated information and many people will just believe it as if it is fact!!!
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I recently heard from a reliable source that the total number of crew members that had their Staff Travel removed was c 5700. The last two strike ballots had c5700 votes in favour, coincidence? So this suggests that we are down to the hardcore BASSA supporters that are the problem in reolsving the dispute. It also suggests (no more than suggests) that the dispute could be solved reasonably easily by returning ST - it is a symbolic item that would cost very little. So this also suggests that BA are relatively happy with the dispute rumbling on rather than give BASSA even a hint of a win. BASSA really need to think about this sort of stuff.
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Willie Walsh admitted to 4,923 who had their ST removed. On the reasonable assumption that almost all of these would have voted for a strike, plus another 900 or so who wanted to "send a message to Keith", then you've got the total number who voted to strike.
If Unite badly wants ST back in full, then why should BA just hand it back. Instead, I can see BA offering full ST back if Unite behaves properly and works with BA to grow the company. This would include no more court cases and no more strikes.
If Unite does not agree and goes on strike, then they will lose. BA will ride out any strikes and, after the 12-week protection period is over, Unite will not have the mandate for any more IA. I actually think that Unite is under more pressure to get a resolution than BA.
If Unite badly wants ST back in full, then why should BA just hand it back. Instead, I can see BA offering full ST back if Unite behaves properly and works with BA to grow the company. This would include no more court cases and no more strikes.
If Unite does not agree and goes on strike, then they will lose. BA will ride out any strikes and, after the 12-week protection period is over, Unite will not have the mandate for any more IA. I actually think that Unite is under more pressure to get a resolution than BA.
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...after the 12-week protection period is over, Unite will not have the mandate for any more IA.
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UNITE have to take IA within 28 days of the ballot. Furthermore they must give 7 days notice of the IA. As the ballot was announced on the 28th of March, I believe they must announce no later than 17th of April.
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This from the Mental Messiah;
Funny isn't it that he keeps implying that BASSA has the upper hand, when in reality it's McClusky clambering for a deal. Projection at its finest.
And on the other topic, he has lost his ET he just hasn't been given the judgement in writing. No doubt he'll use it to wind up the barmy army before an actual strike, if that ever happens. If not, another ballot whoopy!
And didn't he say he doesn't read other forums, so how does he know what's been said here and elsewhere? I wonder who he is on here?
Still no BASSA accounts though.....
The only talks that have taken place so far have been between Len and Keith Williams. The purpose of these informal meetings is to decide whether there is enough intent from BA to end this dispute in a reasonable manner. Len is due to report back to BASSA very shortly and a decision will be taken then. In disputes we only have small windows of opportunity to resolve matters, we are in such a window now, so we have to cautious and make sure all avenues are fully explored. That takes time. However as you know we only have 21 days from the ballot announcement to announce dates, so the clock is ticking. We should be in a place to let you know within 48 hours, but at the moment the reps are spread all over the world so it is awkward.
If it wasn't for the fact Mark and I have been sacked and we now employ Ken/Penny in Unite House, BASSA would not be able to function at all so bear with us.
On another topic despite all the rumours on other forums I still have not been told the result of my tribunal. I am told it could be any day now. Obviously win, lose or draw I will let you know asap. Rgds Duncan
If it wasn't for the fact Mark and I have been sacked and we now employ Ken/Penny in Unite House, BASSA would not be able to function at all so bear with us.
On another topic despite all the rumours on other forums I still have not been told the result of my tribunal. I am told it could be any day now. Obviously win, lose or draw I will let you know asap. Rgds Duncan
And on the other topic, he has lost his ET he just hasn't been given the judgement in writing. No doubt he'll use it to wind up the barmy army before an actual strike, if that ever happens. If not, another ballot whoopy!
And didn't he say he doesn't read other forums, so how does he know what's been said here and elsewhere? I wonder who he is on here?
Still no BASSA accounts though.....
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If BASSA can only operate now because it has, presumably, the full time services of Messrs Holley and Everard plus the two other full time employees, that doesn't sound very good. Does this mean that under normal conditions it fails to run efficiently? Isn't it the job of the executive to ensure that adequate resources are available to ensure this. Sounds like another failure to me. I do hope that members dues are not being used to fund this shortcoming. 