British Airways vs. BASSA (current Airline Staff Only)
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I disagree Mealchucker. I reckon BA will take the challenge from Crew Defence head on and show it to be total nonsense. It's the kindest thing to do. Letting staff drag on with the vain hope of getting some kind of compensation is not good for them or the morale of others.
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Heh, why do I get the feeling the Crew Defence meetings must be like the Armstrong and Miller sketches?
"I've lost my staff travel and ****"
"Harsh!"
"Isn't it? And I had a note and everything"
"That's like, against your human rights or something"
"Isn't it? It's like they are rascist gaylords or this or that"
"Word blud. You should like totally take them to court for that rascist stuff, because you had a note and everything"
"Isn't it!"
"Random"
"I've lost my staff travel and ****"
"Harsh!"
"Isn't it? And I had a note and everything"
"That's like, against your human rights or something"
"Isn't it? It's like they are rascist gaylords or this or that"
"Word blud. You should like totally take them to court for that rascist stuff, because you had a note and everything"
"Isn't it!"
"Random"
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So why are you sad about the fact there is a case Gamekeeper?
Don't you think that employers should abide by the laws of the land? Notwithstanding Walsh's warning that staff travel would be removed, cabin staff went ahead with their industrial action because, I hope like you, we do not respond to threats in this day and age. Willie Walsh doesn't understand this, that is his style: bullying, intimidation, threats, imposition. That is why the latest consultative ballot will reject his "final" offer and in effect, the cabin staff of BA reject him as a CEO.
Of course the action by Crew Defence has a very good chance of success, otherwise the action would not have been started. DOH!!
Don't you think that employers should abide by the laws of the land? Notwithstanding Walsh's warning that staff travel would be removed, cabin staff went ahead with their industrial action because, I hope like you, we do not respond to threats in this day and age. Willie Walsh doesn't understand this, that is his style: bullying, intimidation, threats, imposition. That is why the latest consultative ballot will reject his "final" offer and in effect, the cabin staff of BA reject him as a CEO.
Of course the action by Crew Defence has a very good chance of success, otherwise the action would not have been started. DOH!!
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'BA cabin crew reject him as the CEO'
Thats the most arrogant thing I think I have heard yet.
Since when has the choice of CEO been down to the cabin crew.
Anyway, if you go on strike again, he won't be your CEO so you won't have to worry about him.
Reality checked needed here mate.
Thats the most arrogant thing I think I have heard yet.
Since when has the choice of CEO been down to the cabin crew.
Anyway, if you go on strike again, he won't be your CEO so you won't have to worry about him.
Reality checked needed here mate.
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The more I read Duggie fashion's postings the more I am reminded of all the other alter egos on this thread. There are certain underlying themes and a 'victim' mentality.
For a Bassa-ist to accuse the company of
is quite rich. How many times have I been told by crew "we want to do X but we can't as BASSA will fine us" (that takes care of the first three) and the last - imposition - again headlines that this dispute is simply about the CEO ensuring that excessive power isn't held by the union.
Duncan, sorry, Duggie, if you had negotiated with BA instead of having a show of hands (democratic eh) at a racecourse, you wouldn't be having to play the victim now.
Bassa-ists, you are on your own now.
For a Bassa-ist to accuse the company of
bullying, intimidation, threats, imposition
Duncan, sorry, Duggie, if you had negotiated with BA instead of having a show of hands (democratic eh) at a racecourse, you wouldn't be having to play the victim now.
Bassa-ists, you are on your own now.
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BASSA has not fined anyone for many years.
That is just the excuse of someone trying to justify their selfish actions.
None of the industrial action was conducted on a "show of hands". There has to be a lawful ballot following strict rules.
The problem with posters on this forum is that they think they know what is going on, but in fact quite clearly they are ignorant of the facts.
Don't you think Strikemaster that the BASSA secretary would be too busy to post on this forum right now with the ballot result imminent? Once again you just show your lack of knowledge and understanding of what is going on.
That is just the excuse of someone trying to justify their selfish actions.
None of the industrial action was conducted on a "show of hands". There has to be a lawful ballot following strict rules.
The problem with posters on this forum is that they think they know what is going on, but in fact quite clearly they are ignorant of the facts.
Don't you think Strikemaster that the BASSA secretary would be too busy to post on this forum right now with the ballot result imminent? Once again you just show your lack of knowledge and understanding of what is going on.
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From my point of view the Union imposed the requirement for change on the company by, as they have historically always done, point blank refusal to negotiate.
If it is racist (
) to remove staff travel from anyone living away from Heathrow and requiring it to get to work then surely it is then racist and discriminatory to force it to be return ed to those people and not to the others? Thus by persuing punative legal action you are disadvantaging your own colleagues.
What a mess.
Hopefully the courts, even if the law is an ass, will see it for the complete waste of time that it really is.
How odd that BASSA have been threatening IA over nothing. BASSA have been threatening other employees for acting as 'S**bs' (your words Duncan, sorry, Duggie not mine), BASSA have beenthreatening that they would rather see BA go bust than accept imposition.
Seems BA and the rest of its employee don't respond to threats either. 100% LH flights this time? Fantastic, I'll be backing it all the way.
Do you actually have proof that this was from Willie Walsh or indeed has happened? I have seen imposition after months of failed negotiation (and when your Union Unite decided that it wouldn't both consulting you on the pensions issue) and the removal of a 'perk' to which the company quite clearly states it may be removed for any reason. I would also suggest that it is the job of the senior department manager to decide the policy and then keep the CEO and thus the board updated. With a few other minor little things to look after such as a merger and a transatlantic tie up in the pipeline I think Willie has a little more to do than bother himself with your dispute anymore. The use of the Unite negotiations was a usefuol PR tool to get the comapnies policy of full service during the strikes across to the public. Once again BASSA have an over inflated pinion of themselves.
Duggie, the show of hands was to keep the militant Board in place instead of conducting the required legal elections. Also the show of hands was for a vote of no negotiation with the company. Something you are now complaining about.
As to the 'legal' status of BASSA ballots, well I think the courts settled that one. The old idiom involving a 'pi$$ up in a brewery' springs to mind.
He had plenty of time to get drunk with his cronies during the BFC days though didn't he? Easy I suppose as Unite are his paymasters now and he has no jepoardy when it comes to the CC strike anymore. Roll it on boys, I'm game! So he probably has plenty of spare time to post rhetoric on many a website now.
If it is racist (
) to remove staff travel from anyone living away from Heathrow and requiring it to get to work then surely it is then racist and discriminatory to force it to be return ed to those people and not to the others? Thus by persuing punative legal action you are disadvantaging your own colleagues.What a mess.
Hopefully the courts, even if the law is an ass, will see it for the complete waste of time that it really is.
we do not respond to threats in this day and age.
Seems BA and the rest of its employee don't respond to threats either. 100% LH flights this time? Fantastic, I'll be backing it all the way.
bullying, intimidation, threats, imposition
Duggie, the show of hands was to keep the militant Board in place instead of conducting the required legal elections. Also the show of hands was for a vote of no negotiation with the company. Something you are now complaining about.
As to the 'legal' status of BASSA ballots, well I think the courts settled that one. The old idiom involving a 'pi$$ up in a brewery' springs to mind.
Don't you think Strikemaster that the BASSA secretary would be too busy to post on this forum right now with the ballot result imminent? Once again you just show your lack of knowledge and understanding of what is going on.
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Heh, why do I get the feeling the Crew Defence meetings must be like the Armstrong and Miller sketches?
"I've lost my staff travel and ****"
"Harsh!"
"Isn't it? And I had a note and everything"
"That's like, against your human rights or something"
"Isn't it? It's like they are rascist gaylords or this or that"
"Word blud. You should like totally take them to court for that rascist stuff, because you had a note and everything"
"Isn't it!"
"Random"
"I've lost my staff travel and ****"
"Harsh!"
"Isn't it? And I had a note and everything"
"That's like, against your human rights or something"
"Isn't it? It's like they are rascist gaylords or this or that"
"Word blud. You should like totally take them to court for that rascist stuff, because you had a note and everything"
"Isn't it!"
"Random"
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Wirlbelsturm or should I say 'Carnage Matey', you are not allowed to use the 'S' word when describing strikebreakers on this forum.
Clearly the law is an ass as you rightly say, otherwise the daft decision to grant BA an injunction on the 2nd ballot, would not have been overturned by the Appeal Court judges
Clearly the law is an ass as you rightly say, otherwise the daft decision to grant BA an injunction on the 2nd ballot, would not have been overturned by the Appeal Court judges
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Is Duncan Holley allowed to remain part of BASSA now that he is no longer employed by BA? That would make his position as Secretary somewhat untenable wouldn't it?
I suppose they have some sort of 'Bruvverhood' rule that makes it ok as long as they are a party activist.
I suppose they have some sort of 'Bruvverhood' rule that makes it ok as long as they are a party activist.
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Clearly the law is an ass as you rightly say, otherwise the daft decision to grant BA an injunction on the 2nd ballot, would not have been overturned by the Appeal Court judges
BASSA just got lucky and, in all honesty as it was a 1 to 2 split there was probably a little sympathy involved as well.
This IA has no support from the public, the other staff at BA, the Government or, indeed, anyone else outside of Unite and the SWP.
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DF or DH. You still haven't answered my question on post 1080 re the attack on your T & C's by WW. Still waiting!! Any chance of an answer, as I am really interested to see if your view differs from the Bill Francis view.
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Wirlbelsturm or should I say 'Carnage Matey'
you are not allowed to use the 'S' word when describing strikebreakers on this forum
Difference really.
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Well Carnage, you cannot undermine the good insititution of our legal system by saying that BASSA "got lucky" when BA had their injunction overturned on appeal. The judges said that it is a bad law.
BA got lucky on the first ballot when Judge Laura Cox introduced factors that should not have influenced her judgement in overturning a democratic ballot. Perhaps if it hadn't of been for Christmas looming, she may have made a different decision.
I do hate emotion in legal decisions.
As Melvin Udall said to the receptionist in the film "As Good As It Gets" when she asked how he writes and understands women so well, he said: " I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability. ...
BA got lucky on the first ballot when Judge Laura Cox introduced factors that should not have influenced her judgement in overturning a democratic ballot. Perhaps if it hadn't of been for Christmas looming, she may have made a different decision.
I do hate emotion in legal decisions.
As Melvin Udall said to the receptionist in the film "As Good As It Gets" when she asked how he writes and understands women so well, he said: " I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability. ...
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I do hate emotion in legal decisions.
As Melvin Udall said to the receptionist in the film "As Good As It Gets" hen asked how he write and understands women so well, he said: " I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability. ...
As Melvin Udall said to the receptionist in the film "As Good As It Gets" hen asked how he write and understands women so well, he said: " I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability. ...
Both BASSA ballots contained significant errors, the first more so than the last, the actions of the BASSA chair posting advice to return illegal ballots probably held more sway than either the judges gender, the timing or any other factors you might make up.
I do find it amusing that a member of BASSA quotes that they hate emotion in legal decisions, perhaps you should have a little look closer to home before casting stones in glass houses. I have never seen a more emotionally driven Union than BASSA.
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This is giving me a good chuckle on a rainy day. Duncan manages to slur the judiciary and all women in one easy posting! Nice one! Anyway, to address your points:
BASSA has not fined anyone for many years. No, but your members lived in fear of this, so they must have believed it - good job done by BASSA on intimidation, then!
None of the industrial action was conducted on a "show of hands". There has to be a lawful ballot following strict rules. Nicely avoiding the point which was that your policy of not negotiating was 'ratified' on a show of hands at a racecourse! It's on youtube if you've forgotten!
The problem with posters on this forum is that they think they know what is going on, but in fact quite clearly they are ignorant of the facts. Ever heard of a self-fulfilling prophecy?
Don't you think Strikemaster that the BASSA secretary would be too busy to post on this forum right now with the ballot result imminent? Once again you just show your lack of knowledge and understanding of what is going on. No, I think I understand very well what is going on, as do most BA employees who are not Bassa-ists. Good double-bluff, BTW, the sec probably does have time as he is no longer concerned with flying a roster.
BASSA has not fined anyone for many years. No, but your members lived in fear of this, so they must have believed it - good job done by BASSA on intimidation, then!
None of the industrial action was conducted on a "show of hands". There has to be a lawful ballot following strict rules. Nicely avoiding the point which was that your policy of not negotiating was 'ratified' on a show of hands at a racecourse! It's on youtube if you've forgotten!
The problem with posters on this forum is that they think they know what is going on, but in fact quite clearly they are ignorant of the facts. Ever heard of a self-fulfilling prophecy?
Don't you think Strikemaster that the BASSA secretary would be too busy to post on this forum right now with the ballot result imminent? Once again you just show your lack of knowledge and understanding of what is going on. No, I think I understand very well what is going on, as do most BA employees who are not Bassa-ists. Good double-bluff, BTW, the sec probably does have time as he is no longer concerned with flying a roster.