British Airways vs. BASSA (current Airline Staff Only)
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This thread is intended for use by people presently employed as airline staff.
If you do not fall into this category - please do not post here: Please visit the Pax/SLF Forum where there is an active thread running HERE that welcomes your thoughts. Thatīs it.
If you want to participate here, accept it.
If you do not fall into this category - please do not post here: Please visit the Pax/SLF Forum where there is an active thread running HERE that welcomes your thoughts. Thatīs it.
If you want to participate here, accept it.
I must have been looking in the wrong part of the forum all along. I apologise.
Actually no. I'm not wrong at all. It does say right up at the top that this thread is posted in the section of the forum dedicated to
Cabin Crew The other half of the airborne team who put up with the self-loading freight.
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Is that the only arguement you have left Asperge? Boring! I'm cabin crew so therefore fit your criteria to discuss things here. As you seem to have nothing else to talk about could you just remind me why a minority of crew went on strike and what it acheived?
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Actually no. I'm not wrong at all. It does say right up at the top that this thread is posted in the section of the forum dedicated to
Argue points if you wish, but claiming that people shouldnt be allowed to post because you dont like what they say shows your argument for what it is. Weak, discredited and history.
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asperge,
If you go to any section of this website, you will find all sorts of interested parties posting on subjects, ranging from air accidents, to test flying, and, yes, to cabin crew issues. Many are not pilots, but their posts are usually welcome.
You seem to have missed the point, that this area of the website is about cabin crew issues, not exclusively for cabin crew. The isolationist attitude of the BASSA nutjobs, that their destructive behaviour towards their employer has no effect on anyone else in BA, typifies their warped view of the "World According to BASSA". It has the potential to affect everyone employed by BA, hence the huge uptake of VCC courses, and interest in the topic at hand. Not to mention our customers.
I'm a pilot, normally, however, I'm now also cabin crew, so feel doubly able to post here. Besides, it would be pretty dull, if only Bassamentalists posted here: "BUMP", "Bumpety Bump" - yawn. You should be grateful for the intelligent posts here. If not, go back to the Duncan Holley Suspended Reality Show, that is the BASSA Forum.
If you go to any section of this website, you will find all sorts of interested parties posting on subjects, ranging from air accidents, to test flying, and, yes, to cabin crew issues. Many are not pilots, but their posts are usually welcome.
You seem to have missed the point, that this area of the website is about cabin crew issues, not exclusively for cabin crew. The isolationist attitude of the BASSA nutjobs, that their destructive behaviour towards their employer has no effect on anyone else in BA, typifies their warped view of the "World According to BASSA". It has the potential to affect everyone employed by BA, hence the huge uptake of VCC courses, and interest in the topic at hand. Not to mention our customers.
I'm a pilot, normally, however, I'm now also cabin crew, so feel doubly able to post here. Besides, it would be pretty dull, if only Bassamentalists posted here: "BUMP", "Bumpety Bump" - yawn. You should be grateful for the intelligent posts here. If not, go back to the Duncan Holley Suspended Reality Show, that is the BASSA Forum.
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Asperge,
What it basically boils down to is the fact that you're NOT a Moderator on this forum. You're a guest of the forum, and therefore must follow the rules, the same as the rest of us. If you don't agree - well, it doesn't matter. Try starting your own forum perhaps? The Moderators on this forum have a hard enough job keeping these threads on track without you (or anyone else) throwing a wobbler about who should be able to post or not. Just follow the rules. Accept things you cannot change.
What it basically boils down to is the fact that you're NOT a Moderator on this forum. You're a guest of the forum, and therefore must follow the rules, the same as the rest of us. If you don't agree - well, it doesn't matter. Try starting your own forum perhaps? The Moderators on this forum have a hard enough job keeping these threads on track without you (or anyone else) throwing a wobbler about who should be able to post or not. Just follow the rules. Accept things you cannot change.
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A new poster, Asperge,
Chose this thread to emerge.
Like many other fools,
He/she ignored the rules.
and
The BASSA rep, Holley
Committed a folly
His ramblings were inopportune
And annoyed all the mods on PPRuNe
That should get me banned for a while...
Chose this thread to emerge.
Like many other fools,
He/she ignored the rules.
and
The BASSA rep, Holley
Committed a folly
His ramblings were inopportune
And annoyed all the mods on PPRuNe
That should get me banned for a while...
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Juan Tripp
I too will welcome all the VCC's and treat them as I would any new member to the crew community. I agree they would be wise to roster them together, although I think it would be better to put them on flights with SCCM's that came to work. I have also heard stories of how SCCM's have been behaving from the briefing, unprofessional to say the least. If current main crew are feeling intimidated by SCCM's then the VCC's will be fair game - although I have no doubt VCC's know exactly what to do if any unprofessional behaviour does occur.
Roster them with those of us that will treat them fairly is the best way forward with this I think?
I too will welcome all the VCC's and treat them as I would any new member to the crew community. I agree they would be wise to roster them together, although I think it would be better to put them on flights with SCCM's that came to work. I have also heard stories of how SCCM's have been behaving from the briefing, unprofessional to say the least. If current main crew are feeling intimidated by SCCM's then the VCC's will be fair game - although I have no doubt VCC's know exactly what to do if any unprofessional behaviour does occur.
Roster them with those of us that will treat them fairly is the best way forward with this I think?
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I Really hope these VCC's are fully aware of how some of the in charge crew are behaving at the moment
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The Perfect Storm?
Just wondering what others thought of this. I don't want to make this long winded, ( unlike Mr. Tomorites ramblings) but the following 3-4 months could be very interesting. As I see it Woodley & Simpson ( sorry but they sound like a music hall act from the fifties to me! ) are retiring shortly and want nothing more than to take their big fat pension quietly and without any outstanding problems. Len McCluskey, ( thats with an 'E' for Bassa's info) dearly wants the top job, BUT wont want to stir up anything in Camp Bassa, especially as they recommended him in their recent 12 page 'drivel' magazine. So IMO it seems there is noone to stop DH pursueing his personal agenda of another strike. He could use this 'perfect storm' scenario to drive right through the middle and get what he wants. He will get his mandate and then ask 'Red Len' for the go ahead. Len agrees as Bassa are 'helping him in the forthcoming elections, and DH gets his xmas strike.
Of course there will be more holes in it than Swiss cheese, and WW waits for the appropriate moment to pick up the phone to the lawyers and as said in that other great film - 'Unleash Hell'.
I know I've simplified it, but who does anyone think in Unite is going to stop DH? Any ideas?
Of course there will be more holes in it than Swiss cheese, and WW waits for the appropriate moment to pick up the phone to the lawyers and as said in that other great film - 'Unleash Hell'.
I know I've simplified it, but who does anyone think in Unite is going to stop DH? Any ideas?
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Bassa Messages - Thanks
Before I forget, can I say a big thanks to Chigley and Timothy Claypole in particular for copy/pasting some of the stuff from the Bassa Site. A lot of us have either never had access due to being/were CC89 members, or have left Bassa. Thanks again.
As an aside, is anybody here going to the meeting at the racecourse on monday. You ONLY need your ID card or of course you could even still be a member. Would be interesting for a report or even video footage to see/hear what has really gone on, rather that the usual 'Tomato led' updates. I'd go and stand at the back myself, but I'm a little too well known, even if I say so myself!!!
As an aside, is anybody here going to the meeting at the racecourse on monday. You ONLY need your ID card or of course you could even still be a member. Would be interesting for a report or even video footage to see/hear what has really gone on, rather that the usual 'Tomato led' updates. I'd go and stand at the back myself, but I'm a little too well known, even if I say so myself!!!
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A question was asked a few pages back about why Bassa required volunteers to staff the Bassa office.
Simply. BA will not de-roster any cabin crew reps for any duties, and those who are free are currently suspended or dismissed.
Indeed, the cabin crew reps were refused to be de-rostered by Mr Francis for a company update on the pension situation. Information which needs to be relayed back to union members and subscribers to the pensions. Now the fact that every other department had union representation at the meeting should emphasis how BA are treating their cabin crew and is what regard we are held. Nil. (Unless I include mixed fleet.)
And as for rostering VCC crew alongside regular crew. Insensitive at the least. Bearing in mind that VCC crew are there to ensure regular crew cannot reach an agreement with the company, for me, this will be akin to polishing my executioner's blade.
This is clearly part of a policy to further incite unionised cabin crew. Not de-rostering reps for important meetings, suspending reps for completing legal union duties and now updating and coaching of VCC. The intention is obviously to force further industrial action. I hope Bassa keep their heads this time and do not fall for Walsh's goading.
Simply. BA will not de-roster any cabin crew reps for any duties, and those who are free are currently suspended or dismissed.
Indeed, the cabin crew reps were refused to be de-rostered by Mr Francis for a company update on the pension situation. Information which needs to be relayed back to union members and subscribers to the pensions. Now the fact that every other department had union representation at the meeting should emphasis how BA are treating their cabin crew and is what regard we are held. Nil. (Unless I include mixed fleet.)
And as for rostering VCC crew alongside regular crew. Insensitive at the least. Bearing in mind that VCC crew are there to ensure regular crew cannot reach an agreement with the company, for me, this will be akin to polishing my executioner's blade.
This is clearly part of a policy to further incite unionised cabin crew. Not de-rostering reps for important meetings, suspending reps for completing legal union duties and now updating and coaching of VCC. The intention is obviously to force further industrial action. I hope Bassa keep their heads this time and do not fall for Walsh's goading.
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Hi Juan Tripp,
You and me both !
My access to the Bassa Forum was taken away from me a very long time ago. Never mind, people still reproduce it on here so no harm done there ....
Do not even think of attending the next Bassa meeting if you have any intention of disagreeing with the boss at the big table or putting your hand up when they ask "and those against?".
They still sent me their latest Propoganda News, I have never read anything so juvenille and infantile in all my life.
You and me both !
My access to the Bassa Forum was taken away from me a very long time ago. Never mind, people still reproduce it on here so no harm done there ....
Do not even think of attending the next Bassa meeting if you have any intention of disagreeing with the boss at the big table or putting your hand up when they ask "and those against?".
They still sent me their latest Propoganda News, I have never read anything so juvenille and infantile in all my life.
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Originally Posted by PC767
Indeed, the cabin crew reps were refused to be de-rostered by Mr Francis for a company update on the pension situation. Information which needs to be relayed back to union members and subscribers to the pensions. Now the fact that every other department had union representation at the meeting should emphasis how BA are treating their cabin crew and is what regard we are held. Nil. (Unless I include mixed fleet.)
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This is clearly part of a policy to further incite unionised cabin crew. Not de-rostering reps for important meetings, suspending reps for completing legal union duties and now updating and coaching of VCC. The intention is obviously to force further industrial action. I hope Bassa keep their heads this time and do not fall for Walsh's goading.
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I agree with chigley. I think there are enough senior cabin crew that came into work for these VCC's to be rostered with.
I wouldn't want any of them to suffer working with a SCCM that was not going to treat them in a friendly and fair manner.
It's bad enough the way they treat any staff member on staff travel, I hate to think how unpleasant some of them could be to VCC's.
I wouldn't want any of them to suffer working with a SCCM that was not going to treat them in a friendly and fair manner.
It's bad enough the way they treat any staff member on staff travel, I hate to think how unpleasant some of them could be to VCC's.