British Airways vs. BASSA (current Airline Staff Only)
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Spin doctor,
You are right it is good to have the input of all departments because it affects all of us but it is only Bassa supporting cabin crew not all of the cabin crew department that do not want to accept change.
You are right it is good to have the input of all departments because it affects all of us but it is only Bassa supporting cabin crew not all of the cabin crew department that do not want to accept change.
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I believe the forum where no others can poke their noses in is CF or the BASSA forum, where no line other than the union dictat is allowed. Feel free not to post here if it annoys you that others have opinions that differ from the party-line that BASSA issues.
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asperge,you said
Not true!
CC89 members paid through Direct debit and still do! BASSA members fees are deducted through payroll.
You were obviously not paying attention to Bills web chat last week, in one of his answers he detailed that under the data protection act, his department do not know who pays fees to BASSA via payroll.
I would imagine that there are only 2-3 people within payroll who would know how to access that information, furthermore a list is electronically forwarded to BASSA near the end of every month, (it was referred to in court last December, you know, the bit where the BASSA HR expert could not work out what the date coding meant)
More importantly I see another rep has been suspended allegedly for not turning up for rostered duty............. anyone would think the Company might be goading BASSA
BA knows who is in BASSA as all union deductions are made by BA payroll.
CC89 members paid through Direct debit and still do! BASSA members fees are deducted through payroll.
You were obviously not paying attention to Bills web chat last week, in one of his answers he detailed that under the data protection act, his department do not know who pays fees to BASSA via payroll.
I would imagine that there are only 2-3 people within payroll who would know how to access that information, furthermore a list is electronically forwarded to BASSA near the end of every month,
(it was referred to in court last December, you know, the bit where the BASSA HR expert could not work out what the date coding meant)More importantly I see another rep has been suspended allegedly for not turning up for rostered duty............. anyone would think the Company might be goading BASSA
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Asperge
As this is supposed to be a part of the forum for cabin crew, why is it that our colleagues from other departments can't resist poking their noses in here? Is it boring in your own bits then?
Prior to this dispute, I've always been aware of a certain amount of militancy within BASSA and always curious of the machinations of CC.
I'll be honest, like many of my colleagues, I've thought along the lines of 'who the hell do they think they are..' attitude, in the past.
However, this forum has given me an insight into a majority thinking. So, I am grateful for it. Compare that with the one way street attitude from BASSA.
When I heard a striker colleague of yours silhouetted on tv, and more than once state that 'WE' (the Cabin Crew) are British Airways, I boiled over in anger.
Yes, you are a very significant part of the Airline, but please don't think that the rest of us are not of any significance!
Asperge, this has everything to do with every member of staff in BA. We are all affected. Why would we not be concerned of the added burden of job insecurity by a minority of workers that refuse to make sacrifices as ALL other departments have?
This is why there will be no shortage of VCC's, such is the strength of feeling.
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Asperge, this has everything to do with every member of staff in BA. We are all affected. Why would we not be concerned of the added burden of job insecurity by a minority of workers that refuse to make sacrifices as ALL other departments have?
I don't post in any other area of the forum and don't understand why you behave differently. I have no interest in pilot postings on their own matters and am a little bemused by your interest in cabin crew. I understand that this is a big thing in BA right now but wonder why there isn't a similar thread elsewhere where your rantings at the behaviour of BASSA might meet a like minded audience. those cabin crew who post here with a different point of view are welcome to their opinions and we should be able to discuss our differences like adults.
Some of you, who describe yourselves as pilots have only ever posted on this thread. That's a little perplexing. Why did you not start one of your own where it would be read by other pilots? Are your opinions on this matter supposed to alter the thinking of cabin crew? They actually have the reverse effect, proving how out of touch you are with those you are supposed to work with and leading to the increasingly prevalent view that in your arrogance you wish to shout down those who disagree with your point of view on a dispute that many of you have helped to prolong. I have no problem with the views of those who disagree with me. I merely ask that if they are not cabin crew, they should choose the correct place to do that and it isn't in this section of the forum.
If ever there is a dispute between any other section of the company and BA I will keep my nose out of it as my opinions will be as unwelcome and irrelevant as yours are here.
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Just heard that Bassa were asking for volunteers to man their offices and were inviting those that did NOT get in at the last elections first.
So much for democracy. You vote Lib Dem and the Tories get in anyway (don't get me started....!)
Last year they elected over 20 Reps onto their Committee from Longhaul and 7 (I think) on Shorthaul ; plus the top table jobs and Reps on the regional bases.
So how can they be short of manpower when there are no other meetings for them to attend ?
It's like volunteering for firing squad duty without knowing why they are handing out blindfolds on our side instead of rifles!
So much for democracy. You vote Lib Dem and the Tories get in anyway (don't get me started....!)
Last year they elected over 20 Reps onto their Committee from Longhaul and 7 (I think) on Shorthaul ; plus the top table jobs and Reps on the regional bases.
So how can they be short of manpower when there are no other meetings for them to attend ?
It's like volunteering for firing squad duty without knowing why they are handing out blindfolds on our side instead of rifles!
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If ever there is a dispute between any other section of the company and BA I will keep my nose out of it as my opinions will be as unwelcome and irrelevant as yours are here.
I'm not going to prolong this, but I will state AGAIN that this has everything to do with the likes of myself, when my workload is now affected by a number of VCC's in my department, and, furthermore, such an interest is maintained as I, am contemplating a role as a VCC.
And with certain postings on here, my desire to do so, is reinforced!
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Thanks for that ranger07 you say you are not cabin crew. Do you realise that since this thread started in March it is one of only two that you have posted on and even the other was purely about the dispute? It is supposed to be a thread for cabin crew not those who threaten that they will be one if there is another strike called.
I rest my case.
I rest my case.
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I make no apologies for having opinions that are opposite to BASSA and its supporters and will continue to post in that regard in line with the forum rules.
I also rest my case.
I also rest my case.
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asperge, post 1 on this thread:
Thatīs it.
If you want to participate here, accept it.
This thread is intended for use by people presently employed as airline staff.
If you do not fall into this category - please do not post here: Please visit the Pax/SLF Forum where there is an active thread running HERE that welcomes your thoughts.
If you do not fall into this category - please do not post here: Please visit the Pax/SLF Forum where there is an active thread running HERE that welcomes your thoughts.
If you want to participate here, accept it.
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This will send the Bassa and crew forum mad!!!
Just been sent this by the company. I for one will make these volunteers very welcome.
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To All Eurofleet Crew
From: Glenn Reynolds, Head of Eurofleet Cabin Crew
As you are aware our Volunteer Cabin Crew (VCC) play a significant role in serving our customers during times of operational disruption.
In order for our Volunteer Cabin Crew to maintain their 180-day aircraft recency on Airbus aircraft, starting from Monday 6 September you may be joined by one or two Volunteer Cabin Crew who have been rostered in a supernumerary capacity.
Occasionally, there maybe a requirement to roster Volunteer Cabin Crew on familiarisation flights. In this instance, paperwork will be produced as per current process.
For all our operating crew, including volunteers, this will be a new experience. I know you will do all possible to welcome Volunteer Cabin Crew on Eurofleet and offer any guidance and support they require.
Regards
Glenn Reynolds.
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If anyone has access to Bassa or Crew forum let us know how this is going down!!! Please.
Just been sent this by the company. I for one will make these volunteers very welcome.
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To All Eurofleet Crew
From: Glenn Reynolds, Head of Eurofleet Cabin Crew
As you are aware our Volunteer Cabin Crew (VCC) play a significant role in serving our customers during times of operational disruption.
In order for our Volunteer Cabin Crew to maintain their 180-day aircraft recency on Airbus aircraft, starting from Monday 6 September you may be joined by one or two Volunteer Cabin Crew who have been rostered in a supernumerary capacity.
Occasionally, there maybe a requirement to roster Volunteer Cabin Crew on familiarisation flights. In this instance, paperwork will be produced as per current process.
For all our operating crew, including volunteers, this will be a new experience. I know you will do all possible to welcome Volunteer Cabin Crew on Eurofleet and offer any guidance and support they require.
Regards
Glenn Reynolds.
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If anyone has access to Bassa or Crew forum let us know how this is going down!!! Please.
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Should give the Bassamentalists something to talk about on the same say that they are having their meeting at the racecourse! Does anyone know what the agenda will be for the meeting ?
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Should give the Bassamentalists something to talk about on the same say that they are having their meeting at the racecourse! Does anyone know what the agenda will be for the meeting ?
2. Duncan gives speech
3. Everyone agrees with Duncan
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Agenda?
How can they have an agenda prepared when they only announced the meeting a short time ago.
Who would they allow to know what the agenda contained?
Who will dare not raise their hand at such a meeting?
How many dissenters would be brave enough to turn up?
Typical '60s style Union manipulation, except that this time they will not get the numbers.
How can they have an agenda prepared when they only announced the meeting a short time ago.
Who would they allow to know what the agenda contained?
Who will dare not raise their hand at such a meeting?
How many dissenters would be brave enough to turn up?
Typical '60s style Union manipulation, except that this time they will not get the numbers.