British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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That's quite something, Dozza.....
A senior Bassa official says Walsh has broken the union and won the battle, but he or she is still happy for his or her member to walk out?
A senior Bassa official says Walsh has broken the union and won the battle, but he or she is still happy for his or her member to walk out?
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If there DOES have to be a compromise, however undeserved.........
How about giving all the strikers exactly what they want – if, indeed, they know what that is? Give staff travel back with original date of joining. However, give the rest of the company (those that backed BA) a new staff travel priority code that overrides the strikers’ travel seniority. Therefore they will always have a lower priority than those who backed BA and will be placed at the back of the queue.
That way they can’t say they have ‘lost’ ST, or their seniority date. But it ‘rewards’ the rest of us who care about and have supported the company we work for.
That's what I call "thinking out the box" .... Edward de Bono would be proud of you!!!
If there DOES have to be a compromise, however undeserved.........
How about giving all the strikers exactly what they want – if, indeed, they know what that is? Give staff travel back with original date of joining. However, give the rest of the company (those that backed BA) a new staff travel priority code that overrides the strikers’ travel seniority. Therefore they will always have a lower priority than those who backed BA and will be placed at the back of the queue.
That way they can’t say they have ‘lost’ ST, or their seniority date. But it ‘rewards’ the rest of us who care about and have supported the company we work for.
That's what I call "thinking out the box" .... Edward de Bono would be proud of you!!!
For those who think the pilot volunteers are raking it in.....
Just got back from LHR after a 200+ mile round trip and was not needed. All that money for fuel, but no flight pay!!! Pilot volunteers that have lost their own trips, but still come into work are doing in because we believe that the future of our company is paramount!!
Time for the briefing and .................. a bunch of happy campers were sitting in the briefing room - they all smiled as I walked in and then said good-bye!! Boo hoo, after all the studying of avmed and SEP!!!!
I was able to look at the official list of vcc use today. Less than half the number of pilot volunteers were used today. The plan is to gradually increase the number of flights.................
then.........................................
'strikers, what strikers' - you are all ther weakest links, so here are your P45s. Hand in your IDs as you leave the building!!
Just got back from LHR after a 200+ mile round trip and was not needed. All that money for fuel, but no flight pay!!! Pilot volunteers that have lost their own trips, but still come into work are doing in because we believe that the future of our company is paramount!!
Time for the briefing and .................. a bunch of happy campers were sitting in the briefing room - they all smiled as I walked in and then said good-bye!! Boo hoo, after all the studying of avmed and SEP!!!!
I was able to look at the official list of vcc use today. Less than half the number of pilot volunteers were used today. The plan is to gradually increase the number of flights.................
then.........................................
'strikers, what strikers' - you are all ther weakest links, so here are your P45s. Hand in your IDs as you leave the building!!
Satan,
Don't like the name!! But your post above was spot on.
Probably too much proper FACT for the bassamentalists to stomach. They have not availed themselves of the facts so far. I am sure the bassa 'poison' has ensured that no facts will reach them now.
Don't like the name!! But your post above was spot on.
Probably too much proper FACT for the bassamentalists to stomach. They have not availed themselves of the facts so far. I am sure the bassa 'poison' has ensured that no facts will reach them now.
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From the Times article
More Spin - wasn't it BASSA that refused to meet with British Airways?
So, they they now admit that no negotiation basically undermined themselves?
The official said that for more than a year managers had refused to meet BASSA officials, in effect fatally undermining the union, even though it represents 93 per cent of BA cabin crew. “We have never met them at any level for a year. It has all gone.”
More Spin - wasn't it BASSA that refused to meet with British Airways?
So, they they now admit that no negotiation basically undermined themselves?
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again another really fun positive day working on the shorthaul network, an absolute pleasure.
What also struck me today is that our crew (who were nightstopping with us lastnight on a non striking weekend) were all proud enough to admit to everyone that they would not be striking and their reasons, something in previous strikes they were to worried to do.
Made me smile when 2 of the crew had resigned from BASSA over the weekend ... now, who last week said 'this is the beginning of the end' .... oh yes, Mr Walsh in BA News
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What also struck me today is that our crew (who were nightstopping with us lastnight on a non striking weekend) were all proud enough to admit to everyone that they would not be striking and their reasons, something in previous strikes they were to worried to do.
Made me smile when 2 of the crew had resigned from BASSA over the weekend ... now, who last week said 'this is the beginning of the end' .... oh yes, Mr Walsh in BA News
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I operated a full 767 to a European destination with 68 pax in Club Europe and 172 in ET without a single empty seat. Four out of seven crew turned up, the rest called from standby without any delay to briefing. Four of my crew were BAASA members about to resign. We arrived at our destination ten minutes ahead of schedule, happy passengers and happy crew.
Just back from a lovely dinner with my crew, all drinks this evening were on me to show my appreciation for coming in to serve our customers.
I am BA cabin crew who is proud to cross the picket line.
Just back from a lovely dinner with my crew, all drinks this evening were on me to show my appreciation for coming in to serve our customers.
I am BA cabin crew who is proud to cross the picket line.
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I've been on the BBC website and couldn't find anything on the strike or on the homepage. Could it be because it's a washout and it's not newsworthy anymore. Have BASSA finally lost?
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Punish?
Does this collective thread think that strikers should be punished?
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My bottom line is that I don't want this fiasco to happen again. I don't want people to think striking is an easy option. I want people to think long and hard before threatening to destroy BA. If permanent removal of ST is required for this to happen, then so be it. Nobody can say they weren't warned it would happen.
Actions have consequences.
ps I am reporting to the CRC in 30 minutes via the tube, and will post an update. I'll try and find out some figures.
Actions have consequences.
ps I am reporting to the CRC in 30 minutes via the tube, and will post an update. I'll try and find out some figures.
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It seems to me the strike is over before its started!
Im a temp and reported yesterday. The CRC was very busy. So much so, I reported to my briefing, and was offloaded and now on QRS. Need less to say, im still on QRS so obviously NOT needed. This is quite clear that alot of crew are turning up!
The only thing that disapoints me is that I was taken off and non cc flyers ( ie ground volunteers) were left on!
Im a temp and reported yesterday. The CRC was very busy. So much so, I reported to my briefing, and was offloaded and now on QRS. Need less to say, im still on QRS so obviously NOT needed. This is quite clear that alot of crew are turning up!
The only thing that disapoints me is that I was taken off and non cc flyers ( ie ground volunteers) were left on!
The ST issue has unfortunately become less one of punishment than of credibility. Imagine if after the strike is over, outcome is as follows: The union threatened to withdraw labour & cost BA tens of millions - and it did just that. BA tried to dissuade CC from striking by warning everyone that if this happened then it would definitely remove ST from strikers - but then it didn't. Where would that leave BA in future negotiations? We have been repeatedly told on this forum that part of reason for the hefty pro-strike votes was a belief that BA was only bluffing (as previous CEO's have done)and that any sanctions would be undone as part of settlement, i.e. heads you win a better deal, tails you don't lose anything. The union has also staked its credibility on reinstatement. If that IS proved to be the result, any credibility of BA threats in future negotiations would be lost. WW knows this, and also that if he isn't willing to see it through then he will leave the union reinvigorated and his successors vulnerable to an early repeat performance.
Last but not least, I wonder about the union's recent elevation of ST to become the headline issue, since it is one area where the public is unlikely to have very much sympathy, particularly coming into the holiday season when tens of thousands of working people are threatened with having their paid and hard earned vacations disrupted so that "the Pimms drinking and BMW driving" (not my words - see today's press) cabin crew can enjoy unlimited freebies in their allegedly ample spare time. This shift of focus from issues with which the rest of the UK workforce can identify might prove another faux pas in a rather badly run campaign.
It is certainly arguable as to whether ST was a particularly wise or effective card for BA to have played - clearly it wasn't enough to stop the strikes happening - but having done so, it is probably committed to having to press on.
Last but not least, I wonder about the union's recent elevation of ST to become the headline issue, since it is one area where the public is unlikely to have very much sympathy, particularly coming into the holiday season when tens of thousands of working people are threatened with having their paid and hard earned vacations disrupted so that "the Pimms drinking and BMW driving" (not my words - see today's press) cabin crew can enjoy unlimited freebies in their allegedly ample spare time. This shift of focus from issues with which the rest of the UK workforce can identify might prove another faux pas in a rather badly run campaign.
It is certainly arguable as to whether ST was a particularly wise or effective card for BA to have played - clearly it wasn't enough to stop the strikes happening - but having done so, it is probably committed to having to press on.