British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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Nurjio,
It's probably because, according to those knowledgeable folk in CF, he has a vested interest in the result of the strike. Ryanair are allegedly taking over BA LGW, don't you know!
It's probably because, according to those knowledgeable folk in CF, he has a vested interest in the result of the strike. Ryanair are allegedly taking over BA LGW, don't you know!
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staff travel
I guess even if someone who went on strike could book and even use a staff travel ticket it would simply be another matter to bring up at the disciplinary.
"We made it very clear you no longer had staff travel rights and you used it anyway. We'll consider that gross misconduct and here's a P45."
"We made it very clear you no longer had staff travel rights and you used it anyway. We'll consider that gross misconduct and here's a P45."
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I hope that the process of removing staff travel is starting. I reported for work over the weekend and suffered some heckling and verbal abuse in the carpark from a returning crew. I can only reiterate what many posters have been saying on this thread, that there was a significant amount of crew reporting which enabled volunteers to be stood down. There was also a notable senior managment presence which helped to boost morale and dispel some of the myths. Once again I will b reporting for duty over the next strike period and wouldve felt a bit let down if the strikers had retained their staff travel. Like many people I am anxious about returning to work amongst colleagues who have very different views to myself and just hope that both sides can leave the politics outside before entering the crc. Anybody any news on how things are shaping up today?? And how the atmosphere has been?
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Just heard about the removal of staff travel myself, presumably from the same source as above. Not heard from the company yet though.
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Skinnydip - sorry to hear about the heckling you endured at the carpark. You really do need to feed that back for next weekend - I also think that was the weakest link in the chain and have given some feedback about it. We shared a car park bus with some crew who were out of uniform and were giving us some funny looks. However, our flight crew were fantastic and walked us all to our cars. And I must say that all the pilots have been an absolute rock to us throughout this - thank you.
One of the PCCC members reported for duty this morning at CRC, and everything seemed pretty much normal. Still managers/helpers around etc. No word yet on whether the strikers are operating today - will let you know when I hear.
Well done for reporting to work though. The only way that we can beat this "thing" that now hangs over us like a death penalty is to stand up to it. Oh, and of course to join the Professional Cabin Crew Council at www.professionalcrewcouncil.com.
One of the PCCC members reported for duty this morning at CRC, and everything seemed pretty much normal. Still managers/helpers around etc. No word yet on whether the strikers are operating today - will let you know when I hear.
Well done for reporting to work though. The only way that we can beat this "thing" that now hangs over us like a death penalty is to stand up to it. Oh, and of course to join the Professional Cabin Crew Council at www.professionalcrewcouncil.com.
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You can hold your head up high. You have every right to report to work. It is amazing how low some people will sink. During the last strike one of my friends was spat at as she went in to report. These are the true bullies. There are many BA staff who are out here and support what you're doing. 
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All crew who where on strike are reporting as per their rosters, there are no forms to be signed, no disclaimers and no managers waiting to interview them
Theres plenty of crew with lots of xxxxs in their roster well into next week. By telling people not to turn up to cranebank all they have done is extend the period that those who dont go wont be paid..... Doh!
Sounds like BASSA might not be as in control of events as they say they are.
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Leaked New Contract for Strikers & New Fleet entrants......
FLY WITH BOAC AS CABIN CREW!
Do you meet the requirements?
Check yourself against the following:
The age limits are 20-26 for Stewards, 20-25 for Stewardesses. You must be in excellent health and have good eyesight. For men, smartness, clear skin and a good bearing are necessary. (height 5'6” to 6'2”, weight 126-180 lbs).
Girls, who must be single, should have a neatly-proportioned figure with clear complexion and be of pleasing appearance, (height 5'3” to 5'9” weight 105-145 lbs). Hair should be as natural in colour as possible and extreme styles should be avoided. Add to this a pleasant personality, a good speaking voice, a responsible and enthusiastic approach to work and you are well on your way to becoming a Steward or Stewardess. You may think we are being extra particular. We have to be. Remember, you will be in the public eye most of the time.
Your educational standard should be to at least GCE 'O' level standard or equivalent and conversational ability in a West European language (other than those of the United Kingdom and Eire) is desirable.
You must be of British Nationality or eligible for a British passport. You will also be required to pass our medical examination.
Useful experience would have been in employment which involved dealimg with and looking after people.
Training
If you are chosen for training with BOAC you will take a 6-week course at Heathrow Airport (London) during which time you will be expected to pass progress examinations. On successful completion of the course your career really begins and you are posted to flying duties.
Salaries
A training salary is paid for the first 3 months, after which salary rises to £1200 per annum and thereafter by regular increments to £1850 per annum. In addition to the basic salary theer are generous overseas and other allowances, including an allowance of £1.50 for each day spent outside the United Kingdom on service.
Promotion
(Illegible – coffee stain!)
Length of service
Stewardesses may remain in employment for a maximum period of service of 10 years. If you leave after 5 years service a gratuity of £350 is paid, which increases to £875 on completion of 10 years.
Stewards can be employed until the normal retiring age of 55 years.
How else can BA save the £200 MILLION that they need to save from the Cabin Crew before JUNE 2011?!?!?
(£140million previously required savings, £40million for 2 short strikes, £19million for damage to reputation (generous) and £1million for the training and implementation of the Volunteer Cabin Crew Program, as promised)
Joking aside, I think a contract of this simplicity (especially with regards to allowances) is very much on the cards for New Fleet entrants, which is the only way that strikers will be allowed back...I would hope that the pay will be higher, and I implore them not to DISCRIMINATE so heinously against all our old fat hosties
Do you meet the requirements?
Check yourself against the following:
The age limits are 20-26 for Stewards, 20-25 for Stewardesses. You must be in excellent health and have good eyesight. For men, smartness, clear skin and a good bearing are necessary. (height 5'6” to 6'2”, weight 126-180 lbs).
Girls, who must be single, should have a neatly-proportioned figure with clear complexion and be of pleasing appearance, (height 5'3” to 5'9” weight 105-145 lbs). Hair should be as natural in colour as possible and extreme styles should be avoided. Add to this a pleasant personality, a good speaking voice, a responsible and enthusiastic approach to work and you are well on your way to becoming a Steward or Stewardess. You may think we are being extra particular. We have to be. Remember, you will be in the public eye most of the time.
Your educational standard should be to at least GCE 'O' level standard or equivalent and conversational ability in a West European language (other than those of the United Kingdom and Eire) is desirable.
You must be of British Nationality or eligible for a British passport. You will also be required to pass our medical examination.
Useful experience would have been in employment which involved dealimg with and looking after people.
Training
If you are chosen for training with BOAC you will take a 6-week course at Heathrow Airport (London) during which time you will be expected to pass progress examinations. On successful completion of the course your career really begins and you are posted to flying duties.
Salaries
A training salary is paid for the first 3 months, after which salary rises to £1200 per annum and thereafter by regular increments to £1850 per annum. In addition to the basic salary theer are generous overseas and other allowances, including an allowance of £1.50 for each day spent outside the United Kingdom on service.
Promotion
(Illegible – coffee stain!)
Length of service
Stewardesses may remain in employment for a maximum period of service of 10 years. If you leave after 5 years service a gratuity of £350 is paid, which increases to £875 on completion of 10 years.
Stewards can be employed until the normal retiring age of 55 years.
How else can BA save the £200 MILLION that they need to save from the Cabin Crew before JUNE 2011?!?!?
(£140million previously required savings, £40million for 2 short strikes, £19million for damage to reputation (generous) and £1million for the training and implementation of the Volunteer Cabin Crew Program, as promised)
Joking aside, I think a contract of this simplicity (especially with regards to allowances) is very much on the cards for New Fleet entrants, which is the only way that strikers will be allowed back...I would hope that the pay will be higher, and I implore them not to DISCRIMINATE so heinously against all our old fat hosties
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It is right that those crew who were on strike this weekend be given a 2nd chance.
It is unfortunate that only (i'm guessing) 1500 cabin crew actually felt compelled to go on strike. It is too easy for arriving crews who haven't had to make that decision - and for any crew on days off , leave or pt for example - to criticise when they have not YET had to decide themselves whether to walk or not.
BUT surely any crew who strike next weekend will be dealt with more harshly as they have had the benefit of seeing the measures BA have in place to safeguard their security, and will also have heard of the tremendous turn out of crew reporting for duty.
They have also had the benefit of seeing the lies and poor behaviour by Unite and Bassa.
Can there ever be a settlement?? Possibly not.
BA has clearly stated from day 1 that staff travel will be permanently withdrawn, and that the suspensions will be properly investigated and not part of the negotiations.
Bassa are insisting that there can be no settlement without their inclusion.
I wonder why?
It is unfortunate that only (i'm guessing) 1500 cabin crew actually felt compelled to go on strike. It is too easy for arriving crews who haven't had to make that decision - and for any crew on days off , leave or pt for example - to criticise when they have not YET had to decide themselves whether to walk or not.
BUT surely any crew who strike next weekend will be dealt with more harshly as they have had the benefit of seeing the measures BA have in place to safeguard their security, and will also have heard of the tremendous turn out of crew reporting for duty.
They have also had the benefit of seeing the lies and poor behaviour by Unite and Bassa.
Can there ever be a settlement?? Possibly not.
BA has clearly stated from day 1 that staff travel will be permanently withdrawn, and that the suspensions will be properly investigated and not part of the negotiations.
Bassa are insisting that there can be no settlement without their inclusion.
I wonder why?
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Fly With Boac As Cabin Crew!
FlybyMerchant, thanks for that much needed moment of levity!
At risk of going off-thread and incurring the wrath of the Mods, it has reminded me of another earth shattering light hearted observation, thus:
Did you know that 'stewardesses' is the longest word in the English language that can be properly touch typed on a keyboard using just one hand?
(There, I've said it. I give that one about 10 mins, before we are back to the gravitas)
At risk of going off-thread and incurring the wrath of the Mods, it has reminded me of another earth shattering light hearted observation, thus:
Did you know that 'stewardesses' is the longest word in the English language that can be properly touch typed on a keyboard using just one hand?
(There, I've said it. I give that one about 10 mins, before we are back to the gravitas)
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The Blu Riband
I wonder why it's so important for Unite to have staff travel re-instated as part of the negotiation. I heard quite a few of their members saying on the radio leading up to the strikes that most BA staff don't really use staff travel as it's cheaper to go elsewhere, and that it really wasn't that important. Guess they won't miss it then when it's not given back.
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I'm just back from the weekend. Our LGW report centre has been full of crew, managers, pilots and colleagues from other departments. The atmosphere was great. Sure enough, it wasn't a party, but everybody wanted to pull together and make it work.
Our customers were happy and understanding. They were also surprised (in a good way) that they got the full BA service on the flight (Long haul).
The picket line at the South Terminal roundabout didn't look like much, to be honest. A few drab flags and even less people who looked like they were cold and wet.
The union has issued some outrageous statements, claims and rumours over the last few days (nothing new there...). Most of them have been mentioned here already, so I won't go too much into them, except that the union is obviously lying. Also, interestingly enough, most reps were on either long-term sick or annual leave at the weekend (not forgetting that a fair few are suspended as well). Read that whichever way you want, but to me, it's obvious that they're protecting themselves from the loss of ST and potential diciplinaries. Interestingly enough, it seems that two reps from the union resigned before the weekend. Allegedly, of course.
I don't know what is happening with the strikers this week. I wish I knew, but I'm not going to make something up. I personally think that more crew will turn up for work this coming weekend.
What I do have to say though, is that looking at pictures and film clips from the pickets, I'm pretty disgusted with the striker's behaviour. T-shirts with WW made to look like Hitler, pig masks, devil masks, underwear on a washing line, boo-ing aircraft and not forgetting: Bringing children to the pickets. Seriously, there is no way I would bring my children to such a place with such an atmosphere. I can only imagine the language around the pickets and that's something I wouldn't want to expose my kids to. At least these parents should have the decency and common sense to get a childminder.
I will be working at the weekend, as will many of my colleagues. I will wear my uniform with pride, as I know I'm doing the right thing.
For those still wavering, please don't listen to rumours, whether they're about LGW being closed/sold off or that strikers will be on NF by checking in to CRC/JH. They are simply rumours and have no substance.
In my eyes, the union is desperate now. Why else would they be sending text messages, emails etc every couple of hours? Why does TW keep appealing to whoever he can think of to get WW to negotiate?
I want nothing more that for this situation to be resolved. However, I don't see WW backing down, which is good. Why do I say that? Reason being that if (and it's a big if) WW backed down, the union would think they'd won and continue to throw their toys out of the pram at the mere hint of a change within IFCE. Customers would continue to leave us, due to the potential unrest (a bit like a dormant volcano), and what do we have without the customers? Exactly - no airline.
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Our customers were happy and understanding. They were also surprised (in a good way) that they got the full BA service on the flight (Long haul).
The picket line at the South Terminal roundabout didn't look like much, to be honest. A few drab flags and even less people who looked like they were cold and wet.
The union has issued some outrageous statements, claims and rumours over the last few days (nothing new there...). Most of them have been mentioned here already, so I won't go too much into them, except that the union is obviously lying. Also, interestingly enough, most reps were on either long-term sick or annual leave at the weekend (not forgetting that a fair few are suspended as well). Read that whichever way you want, but to me, it's obvious that they're protecting themselves from the loss of ST and potential diciplinaries. Interestingly enough, it seems that two reps from the union resigned before the weekend. Allegedly, of course.
I don't know what is happening with the strikers this week. I wish I knew, but I'm not going to make something up. I personally think that more crew will turn up for work this coming weekend.
What I do have to say though, is that looking at pictures and film clips from the pickets, I'm pretty disgusted with the striker's behaviour. T-shirts with WW made to look like Hitler, pig masks, devil masks, underwear on a washing line, boo-ing aircraft and not forgetting: Bringing children to the pickets. Seriously, there is no way I would bring my children to such a place with such an atmosphere. I can only imagine the language around the pickets and that's something I wouldn't want to expose my kids to. At least these parents should have the decency and common sense to get a childminder.
I will be working at the weekend, as will many of my colleagues. I will wear my uniform with pride, as I know I'm doing the right thing.
For those still wavering, please don't listen to rumours, whether they're about LGW being closed/sold off or that strikers will be on NF by checking in to CRC/JH. They are simply rumours and have no substance.
In my eyes, the union is desperate now. Why else would they be sending text messages, emails etc every couple of hours? Why does TW keep appealing to whoever he can think of to get WW to negotiate?
I want nothing more that for this situation to be resolved. However, I don't see WW backing down, which is good. Why do I say that? Reason being that if (and it's a big if) WW backed down, the union would think they'd won and continue to throw their toys out of the pram at the mere hint of a change within IFCE. Customers would continue to leave us, due to the potential unrest (a bit like a dormant volcano), and what do we have without the customers? Exactly - no airline.
Gg
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One rep resigned so that he/she wouldn't have to strike and could finish his/her CSD course. Nothing like leading the faithful to a strike then ducking out because it'll hurt you financially. Although he/she did turn up at Bedfont on the last day, so thats OK then.
Latest BASSA tripe is that BA are definitely counting the crews returning to LHR over the strike in those that reported at CRC. Bad news BASSAnistas, they aren't!
Latest BASSA tripe is that BA are definitely counting the crews returning to LHR over the strike in those that reported at CRC. Bad news BASSAnistas, they aren't!
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Allegedly two bassa reps have resigned and operated during the week end.
Facts and fiction
There have been conflicting reports about how many flights operated this weekend, how many customers flew with us, and how many of you came to work.
The numbers grew over the three days and on Monday these are the actual numbers of crew who came to work:
Fleet Rostered Actual at Work Percentage at work
Worldwide 1174 632 54%
Eurofleet 600 386 64%
Gatwick 246 237 96%
Total 2020 1255 62%
Facts and fiction
There have been conflicting reports about how many flights operated this weekend, how many customers flew with us, and how many of you came to work.
The numbers grew over the three days and on Monday these are the actual numbers of crew who came to work:
Fleet Rostered Actual at Work Percentage at work
Worldwide 1174 632 54%
Eurofleet 600 386 64%
Gatwick 246 237 96%
Total 2020 1255 62%
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Fly - that certainly paints a different picture to whats been painted by BASSA & the press. I'd like to see BASSAs exact figures too, how many voted to strike, how many turned up to picket, etc. Numbers, not percentages please! Would be nice to compare.
Well done Glamgirl and all others that braved going in. The picket lines were the easy option after all.
For those crew who now have XXXX on their roster, did they go bowling or something?
I'm assuming all those gathered out on the picket lines have now caught a cold and will be going sick as a result, probably around friday eve?
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Well done Glamgirl and all others that braved going in. The picket lines were the easy option after all.
For those crew who now have XXXX on their roster, did they go bowling or something?
I'm assuming all those gathered out on the picket lines have now caught a cold and will be going sick as a result, probably around friday eve?
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