British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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Their pay will be stopped from the day they fail to report for duty until their next "available rostered duty".
Surely this can't be true!
Bassa has assured us that pay is only docked for the three actual strike days and not for any remaining days of missed trips and the MBT's the trip should have generated!
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Meal Chucker,
This is what was stated in one of the ESS messages by Bill Francis. So, it probably is true. (BASSA didn't make it very clear so obviously alot of crew will be hacked off now, I know they should have read the message on ESS but hindsight is a wonderful thing!) Obviously the company may decide to pay basic outside the strike this week including on days off, but Bill did say otherwise. Doesn't mean they might still pay you regardless but who knows! So many rumours with regards to pay, rosters etc!
This is what was stated in one of the ESS messages by Bill Francis. So, it probably is true. (BASSA didn't make it very clear so obviously alot of crew will be hacked off now, I know they should have read the message on ESS but hindsight is a wonderful thing!) Obviously the company may decide to pay basic outside the strike this week including on days off, but Bill did say otherwise. Doesn't mean they might still pay you regardless but who knows! So many rumours with regards to pay, rosters etc!
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They confirmed that rosters had been wiped for striking crew and that they will not be working until they are needed.
Quote from Mr Francis for action to take following strike
If you simply plan to operate your next rostered duty then you should report as normal in line with your roster. When the strike is over, you will be expected to come to work as usual otherwise this will be classified as taking unlawful industrial action.
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Bacabincrew - if this is true that's good then! As otherwise this stupid situation we are in would get stupid and BASSA would probably strike over that! Striking over making crew go to Cranebank!
Rumours have been in overdrive all day on the forums - it was true earlier though that crew had rosters wiped with XXXX until Friday - or so many crew were saying on BASSA. Maybe not shorthaul then.
Rumours have been in overdrive all day on the forums - it was true earlier though that crew had rosters wiped with XXXX until Friday - or so many crew were saying on BASSA. Maybe not shorthaul then.
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100% fact - no 'spin'
The confusion arose because some crew called scheduling when they saw XXXX after the strike had finished and scheduling asked if they would be willing to work during the XXXX period - they said yes and the procedure for that is as follows
The confusion arose because some crew called scheduling when they saw XXXX after the strike had finished and scheduling asked if they would be willing to work during the XXXX period - they said yes and the procedure for that is as follows
If you have already taken industrial action but then subsequently wish to report back to work before your next rostered duty you will be required to attend a meeting with a member of the absence team at LHR or a DOM at LGW. In this instance you should contact Operational Support Team who will advise you of the next available appointment.
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Airclues, surely the part of the Act you quote is to do with dismissals. Those who have been on strike and who are now due to return to work on a non-strike day tomorrow have obviously not yet been dismissed, nor could they be without giving them notice of dismissal as per their contracts and with good reason (which can't be just because they went on strike).
They could however be summarily dismissed (i.e. without notice) if they had engaged in gross misconduct, such as bullying or harassment of other staff.
Interestingly, "Bringing the Company into disrepute" is also on our company list of gross misconduct offences which staff might want to consider before they appear on TV insulting or infering things about the CEO or other staff member. Mr Walsh has the same right not to be defamed as any other staff member!
They could however be summarily dismissed (i.e. without notice) if they had engaged in gross misconduct, such as bullying or harassment of other staff.
Interestingly, "Bringing the Company into disrepute" is also on our company list of gross misconduct offences which staff might want to consider before they appear on TV insulting or infering things about the CEO or other staff member. Mr Walsh has the same right not to be defamed as any other staff member!
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Thank you all for a good day posting on this thread. The only Mod intervention required has been deletions for a small number of contributors who are not presently active as crew. I hope, in particular that retired staff will understand why we need to restrict this thread to currently employed crew.
For those of you interested in the reaction of your customers to the weeks events, please don't forget the thread running HERE in the Pax/SLF forum. It's probably useful for you to drop by and understand at least some of the concerns and views that you may hear expressed when next working in the metal tube.
For those of you interested in the reaction of your customers to the weeks events, please don't forget the thread running HERE in the Pax/SLF forum. It's probably useful for you to drop by and understand at least some of the concerns and views that you may hear expressed when next working in the metal tube.
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100% Fact?
From Bill Francis a week or so ago.
100% FACT = If Crew spent just a moment reading their ESS Mail they wouldn't be in this situation.
If you take strike action, are re-rostered your next duty during the second strike period and strike again, this may mean that you are not paid from the first day that you strike until we are able to roster you to work after the second strike.
If I change my mind during the strike and want to come into work, what should I do?
If you do not turn up for your rostered duty on a strike day, you will be recorded as having taken industrial action, even if you subsequently change your mind and wish to come in during part of the strike. You will be required to attend a meeting with a member of the IFCE team at LHR or a DOM at LGW before being allocated your next rostered duty. In this instance you should contact the Operational Support Team who will advise you of the next available appointment and the process to follow.
If I change my mind during the strike and want to come into work, what should I do?
If you do not turn up for your rostered duty on a strike day, you will be recorded as having taken industrial action, even if you subsequently change your mind and wish to come in during part of the strike. You will be required to attend a meeting with a member of the IFCE team at LHR or a DOM at LGW before being allocated your next rostered duty. In this instance you should contact the Operational Support Team who will advise you of the next available appointment and the process to follow.
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I suppose just to re-affirm some things
1 The strike did indeed last for 3 days
2 The first 200 crew who went on strike where in fact not dismissed
3 The strike did not collapse after 2 hours
4 The company has not 'locked out' any strikers
5 All crew are to work to their planned rosters following the strike
6 No crew have to sign a 'no strike' pledge
7 Staff travel has not yet been taken away from strikers
1 The strike did indeed last for 3 days
2 The first 200 crew who went on strike where in fact not dismissed
3 The strike did not collapse after 2 hours
4 The company has not 'locked out' any strikers
5 All crew are to work to their planned rosters following the strike
6 No crew have to sign a 'no strike' pledge
7 Staff travel has not yet been taken away from strikers
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I am missing the point of your posting - best you read my posting carefully.
The quote you are making is for Crew who have taken Industrial Action but change their mind DURING the strike period.
IE They go on strike for a day then change their mind on day two
The quote you are making is for Crew who have taken Industrial Action but change their mind DURING the strike period.
IE They go on strike for a day then change their mind on day two
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What are you on about? This pettiness is really quite childish - oh I forgot best I "shut up and dont say a thing" because your a SKIPPER wooooooo, that was your quote from earlier wasnt it?
You can't bully me - this is a public forum
You can't bully me - this is a public forum
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What are you on about? This pettiness is really quite childish - oh I forgot best I "shut up and dont say a thing" because your a SKIPPER wooooooo, that was your quote from earlier wasnt it?
You can't bully me - this is a public forum
You can't bully me - this is a public forum
When you read what Mr Francis wrote it confirms what people are saying. Go on strike and you will require a return to work interview. That interview will be arranged at the behest of the company. You are reading it differently to me and I am disagreeing with you. Your use of the words "100% FACT" provokes people showing you up.
Being called childish and then using the phrase "You're a skipper - wooooooo" made me chuckle!
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I meant it in a light hearted way -
And might I suggest that you go back and re-read the document fully - you will then find your error (I have highlighted the parts below which are causing you confusion)
And might I suggest that you go back and re-read the document fully - you will then find your error (I have highlighted the parts below which are causing you confusion)
If I change my mind during the strike and want to come into work, what should I do?
If you do not turn up for your rostered duty on a strike day, you will be recorded as having taken industrial action, even if you subsequently change your mind and wish to come in during part of the strike. You will be required to attend a meeting with a member of the IFCE team at LHR or a DOM at LGW before being allocated your next rostered duty. In this instance you should contact the Operational Support Team who will advise you of the next available appointment and the process to follow.
If you do not turn up for your rostered duty on a strike day, you will be recorded as having taken industrial action, even if you subsequently change your mind and wish to come in during part of the strike. You will be required to attend a meeting with a member of the IFCE team at LHR or a DOM at LGW before being allocated your next rostered duty. In this instance you should contact the Operational Support Team who will advise you of the next available appointment and the process to follow.
When do I report back to work
You are expected to work in line with your roster throughout this period. If you have already taken industrial action but then subsequently wish to report back to work before your next rostered duty you will be required to attend a meeting with a member of the absence team at LHR or a DOM at LGW. In this instance you should contact Operational Support Team who will advise you of the next available appointment.
If you simply plan to operate your next rostered duty then you should report as normal in line with your roster. When the strike is over, you will be expected to come to work as usual otherwise this will be classified as taking unlawful industrial action.
You are expected to work in line with your roster throughout this period. If you have already taken industrial action but then subsequently wish to report back to work before your next rostered duty you will be required to attend a meeting with a member of the absence team at LHR or a DOM at LGW. In this instance you should contact Operational Support Team who will advise you of the next available appointment.
If you simply plan to operate your next rostered duty then you should report as normal in line with your roster. When the strike is over, you will be expected to come to work as usual otherwise this will be classified as taking unlawful industrial action.
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I think you are interpreting it wrongly. Your bold would seem to me to be addressing those who either a) Turned up during the strike period or b) Did not have a duty doing the strike period. We shall agree to differ.