British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk V
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Does the poll offer a 0 day option?
I volunteered to work during the 12 day strike action over Christmas before and will email Bill Francis and our CEO Willie Walsh the same this evening. BA has a 100% support from me!
Bring on the temps, our Pilots and other volunteers, it will be the end of BASSA. For those of you you willing to strike, be scared, be very scared. Say goodbye to all your existing T's and C's forever along with the job you're trying to protect.
It will be Adios Amigos I'm afraid!
I'm BA Cabin Crew and the above represent my views and not those of BA
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I notice that Wonker's poisonous postings of yesterday have mysteriously disappeared; how strange.
Don't worry, Wonker. I took the precaution of cutting and pasting your postings to the email I sent this morning to your Chief Executive, complaining about your rudeness and your "loyalty" to your employer.
It won't take too long to track you down.
When you are fired from BA, you will find out very, very quickly that using such language to paying customers in the real world will have you ejected PDQ from your new job. And the one after that. And the one after that.
See you outside the JobCentre, Wonker!
[It took superhuman effort to avoid misspelling "Wonker", I can tell you.]
Don't worry, Wonker. I took the precaution of cutting and pasting your postings to the email I sent this morning to your Chief Executive, complaining about your rudeness and your "loyalty" to your employer.
It won't take too long to track you down.
When you are fired from BA, you will find out very, very quickly that using such language to paying customers in the real world will have you ejected PDQ from your new job. And the one after that. And the one after that.
See you outside the JobCentre, Wonker!
[It took superhuman effort to avoid misspelling "Wonker", I can tell you.]
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I notice that Wonker's poisonous postings of yesterday have mysteriously disappeared; how strange.
Don't worry, Wonker. I took the precaution of cutting and pasting your postings to the email I sent this morning to your Chief Executive.
It won't take too long to track you down.
Don't worry, Wonker. I took the precaution of cutting and pasting your postings to the email I sent this morning to your Chief Executive.
It won't take too long to track you down.
Most BA employees would be appalled by Wonker's postings. I hope that any passengers who do frequent this forum can see past his poisonous remarks and realise that the rest of us value you very much. There is no BA without the people who spend their hard-earned cash flying with us. I, for one, hope we can soon see the destruction of BASSA and get back to treating our customers as they deserve.
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(Coming to work and Strike-breaking even on my days off if need be.
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When the lunatics take over the asylum
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A few postings have disappeared now, either people are having second thoughts or the mods are wielding their delete buttons...
How is the vote going on the BASSA forum? Will BASSA fall into the same trap twice and go for a 12+ day effort?
PS: The results of the Darwin awards have just been announced here - will there be a similar award for trade unions at the end of 2010?
How is the vote going on the BASSA forum? Will BASSA fall into the same trap twice and go for a 12+ day effort?
PS: The results of the Darwin awards have just been announced here - will there be a similar award for trade unions at the end of 2010?
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Not exactly an unbiased question is it.
12 days is the most popular option with the deluded.
How long do you think any industrial action should last for, bearing in mind it is the opinion of BASSA that a short strike will have no effect?
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The results so far are out of 860 members (ie.a minority!) who voted:
1-3 days - 36 votes (4.2%)
4-6 days - 61 votes (7.1%)
7-9 days - 142 votes (16.5%)
10-12 days - 509 votes (59.2%)
more than 12 - 112 votes (13.0%)
BASSA will say that even though it's not everyone who voted that it is still enough to be representative of members therefore a 12 day strike will be probable again. Then again, hopefully BASSA will be destroyed by BA or another injunction can be gained so that BASSA do not destroy BA. This strike going ahead will be so damaging, I however shall be working like many more moderate crew!
Any of our customers worried about this action, please don't be, it's understandable but BA will hopefully not allow this strike to go through (don't forget there is the court hearing before even the ballot closes!) I personally think it's a win-win to BA in any case, unless of course the strike is not avoidable, in which case it is abit worrying! There is still no guarantee of a strike, but again, no guarantee of no strike either unfortunately
And our customers and us moderate workers are caught in the middle of BASSAs power games against ''mean ol' BA'' who had the audacity to implement changes when they are losing £1m a day which make us work harder for the same money (better still than many airlines!) Oh the cheek of them! (That is a joke by the way!)
I would not be surprised either if VERY soon the 90 days notice comes in. Not very nice for some of us, but it may be the only way to destroy the monster BASSA has become and avoid irreversable damage. And to the militants - if this happened you cannot whinge that BA has been unfair to you - BASSA will have brought it on themselves!
1-3 days - 36 votes (4.2%)
4-6 days - 61 votes (7.1%)
7-9 days - 142 votes (16.5%)
10-12 days - 509 votes (59.2%)
more than 12 - 112 votes (13.0%)
BASSA will say that even though it's not everyone who voted that it is still enough to be representative of members therefore a 12 day strike will be probable again. Then again, hopefully BASSA will be destroyed by BA or another injunction can be gained so that BASSA do not destroy BA. This strike going ahead will be so damaging, I however shall be working like many more moderate crew!
Any of our customers worried about this action, please don't be, it's understandable but BA will hopefully not allow this strike to go through (don't forget there is the court hearing before even the ballot closes!) I personally think it's a win-win to BA in any case, unless of course the strike is not avoidable, in which case it is abit worrying! There is still no guarantee of a strike, but again, no guarantee of no strike either unfortunately
And our customers and us moderate workers are caught in the middle of BASSAs power games against ''mean ol' BA'' who had the audacity to implement changes when they are losing £1m a day which make us work harder for the same money (better still than many airlines!) Oh the cheek of them! (That is a joke by the way!) I would not be surprised either if VERY soon the 90 days notice comes in. Not very nice for some of us, but it may be the only way to destroy the monster BASSA has become and avoid irreversable damage. And to the militants - if this happened you cannot whinge that BA has been unfair to you - BASSA will have brought it on themselves!
Hopefully it is a rumour!
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Well without proof its difficult to say for sure but some pilots apparently have said they have, and know of some colleagues who have joined Unite.
The pension is going to be a huge issue. As the saying goes there is no smoke without fire.
The pension is going to be a huge issue. As the saying goes there is no smoke without fire.
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Originally Posted by SlideBustle
Any of our customers worried about this action, please don't be, it's understandable but BA will hopefully not allow this strike to go through (don't forget there is the court hearing before even the ballot closes!)
I'm saddened by the whole thing - seriously. Some BA CC are wonderful, but some are simply cr@p. Sadly, the militants and the idle and the laissez faire have already imposed semi-terminal damage to the company. For the GOOD people out there, you have my sympathy; sadly, for whatever reason, the monkeys have taken over the Zoo.
I'm about to re-join Virgin's "Flying Club" ... the reward programme doesn't seem quite as good as BA's, and certainly doesn't benefit me on UK Domestic and European travel. But, at least there's a decent chance they'll fly me to the USA on the day I paid for ... which is my bottom line, whether for business or leisure.
Rumor has it that many pilots are joining unite
The idea of "many" pilots joining Unite sounds about as likely as Man Utd winning this year's FA Cup....
(It may be my imagination but a heck of lot coming out of BASSA recently sounds like whistling in the dark)
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Two-Tone-Blue, Albert Salmon and other BA customers.
My sincere apologies to you both at being very rudely addressed on behalf of those of us at BA who value your custom.
As Nutjob mentioned in his post, I am appalled at the toxic and ignorant remarks made by Wonker and Co. It is sad that it has taken people I regarded as colleagues to drive you away from BA. They have given you no alternative but to take your business elsewhere. I realise you have a choice and sad that BA is no longer that choice.
Regardless of the amount of your spend, we recognise that without you the paying public, we would not have a job and BA would not exist. I sincerely hope that one day you will return and look forward to treating you with the utmost respect and provide you with excellent customer service on board one of my flights in the future.
I'm BA Cabin Crew and the above represent my views and not those BA.
My sincere apologies to you both at being very rudely addressed on behalf of those of us at BA who value your custom.
As Nutjob mentioned in his post, I am appalled at the toxic and ignorant remarks made by Wonker and Co. It is sad that it has taken people I regarded as colleagues to drive you away from BA. They have given you no alternative but to take your business elsewhere. I realise you have a choice and sad that BA is no longer that choice.
Regardless of the amount of your spend, we recognise that without you the paying public, we would not have a job and BA would not exist. I sincerely hope that one day you will return and look forward to treating you with the utmost respect and provide you with excellent customer service on board one of my flights in the future.
I'm BA Cabin Crew and the above represent my views and not those BA.
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Two-tone-blue - true, you are right many of our customers will understandably be switching elsewhere. Also we have many businesses/corporates we rely on who will be affected. BASSA actually want to affect the corporates as they think Willie will reverse changes to T&Cs but - are they stupid or what??? These corportates and VIP pax will move to other companies and will experience the service and ''fall in love'' with other airlines. Yes, we have many loyal pax and many pax who love our service but it is not eternal loyalty. They are loyal for various reasons. If BA cannot deliver, then they will go elsewhere simple as.
BASSA why can't you see that. Oh I forgot, you don't actually care as long as you see willie out of a job! You are all prepared to strike until BA goes bust! Well this sounds awfully harsh, but all of you who think in that way and have that line of thought should be replaced by the hundreds of redundant staff at Virgin, BMI Globespan! Most of whom were actually probably very dedicated to their job! Not wishing to destroy their employer unlike some people!
Watersidewonker et al what is your response to the fact that our customers do have a choice and if they are affected by a 12 day strike or whatever they WILL NOT forget it and we will lose customers, many are our most valuble, hence we lose more money , bigger savings required. Has reality sank in yet or has it passed you yet again?
BASSA why can't you see that. Oh I forgot, you don't actually care as long as you see willie out of a job! You are all prepared to strike until BA goes bust! Well this sounds awfully harsh, but all of you who think in that way and have that line of thought should be replaced by the hundreds of redundant staff at Virgin, BMI Globespan! Most of whom were actually probably very dedicated to their job! Not wishing to destroy their employer unlike some people!
Watersidewonker et al what is your response to the fact that our customers do have a choice and if they are affected by a 12 day strike or whatever they WILL NOT forget it and we will lose customers, many are our most valuble, hence we lose more money , bigger savings required. Has reality sank in yet or has it passed you yet again?
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I'm not sure if this is as a result of a reduction in crew or a simple error, but I was travelling on an A320 last week,and there were only two crew doing the safety briefing.
One was at the front of j class, and the other about four rows in front of her, at the front of the economy cabin. I myself was seated just behind the wing and had difficulty seeing, whilst those further back would simply not have been able to. Shouldn't there have been someone half way down the cabin.
There was another cabin crew member at the back, who was otherwise occupied.
It just seemed rather unprofessional to me.
One was at the front of j class, and the other about four rows in front of her, at the front of the economy cabin. I myself was seated just behind the wing and had difficulty seeing, whilst those further back would simply not have been able to. Shouldn't there have been someone half way down the cabin.
There was another cabin crew member at the back, who was otherwise occupied.
It just seemed rather unprofessional to me.
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Yeah, but it doesn't hurt to put the opposite argument across.
I think theres a good chance of anyone holding a BA ticket getting to their destination even if there is a strike.
You've got to realise that the vast majority of CC think that voting for a strike will be enough to make the BA management back down. If they are actually called on to withdraw their labour they'll fold faster than an expert parachute packer.
Plus there are plenty of people who have voted no, will not be in bassa, will work at Gatwick, will come in to work anyway etc, not to mention the long list of pilots willing to sit in and man doors as volunteers to make sure that customers can fly. They may not get the level of service which they expected for a sector or 2 but that will be it and, to remove the cancer that bassa represents at BA, will be well worth while.
I think theres a good chance of anyone holding a BA ticket getting to their destination even if there is a strike.
You've got to realise that the vast majority of CC think that voting for a strike will be enough to make the BA management back down. If they are actually called on to withdraw their labour they'll fold faster than an expert parachute packer.
Plus there are plenty of people who have voted no, will not be in bassa, will work at Gatwick, will come in to work anyway etc, not to mention the long list of pilots willing to sit in and man doors as volunteers to make sure that customers can fly. They may not get the level of service which they expected for a sector or 2 but that will be it and, to remove the cancer that bassa represents at BA, will be well worth while.
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I would also like to echo Tiramisu's posting above!
Yes, if the divider is near the front meaning the rear rows can't see properly, another crew member should come out halfway. Trouble is some crew have this perception that the rear doors must be covered during the safety demo. It's the rules that during boarding and other times we remain on the ground, floor level exits must be covered with a crew member in the vicinity, but during the demo, it is an exception for obvious reasons. CAA have allowed this but many crew have decided upon themselves that they will stay at the back. Having said that if you can you will have someone in the vicinity of the doors during the demo. On the A320 you should be able to - PSR at row 1, no4 at divider no2/3 in cabin with other crew member at back as there is 4 crew. 319 it would mean all crew would have to come out if there were only 3 but anyway! Also as long as your in reasonable distance of the doors and maintain a ''clear path'' should you need to get to the doors then it is fine. I know it is a long answer but that is probably why you had someone at the back as they didn't want to come out as they wanted to guard the rear doors.
I'm not sure if this is as a result of a reduction in crew or a simple error, but I was travelling on an A320 last week,and there were only two crew doing the safety briefing.
One was at the front of j class, and the other about four rows in front of her, at the front of the economy cabin. I myself was seated just behind the wing and had difficulty seeing, whilst those further back would simply not have been able to. Shouldn't there have been someone half way down the cabin.
There was another cabin crew member at the back, who was otherwise occupied.
It just seemed rather unprofessional to me.
One was at the front of j class, and the other about four rows in front of her, at the front of the economy cabin. I myself was seated just behind the wing and had difficulty seeing, whilst those further back would simply not have been able to. Shouldn't there have been someone half way down the cabin.
There was another cabin crew member at the back, who was otherwise occupied.
It just seemed rather unprofessional to me.
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Safety Demo Positions
Jaffy,
Slidebustle is spot on in his explanation to you. I will bring this up with our Safety Services to raise awareness on this issue.
Sorry mods, for digressing.
Slidebustle is spot on in his explanation to you. I will bring this up with our Safety Services to raise awareness on this issue.
Sorry mods, for digressing.