British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk V

[Tiramisu]

If this means that British Airways goes under and i have no job then so be it i like many have my finances in order and have taken steps to safeguard my future. This seems to be the feeling from very many of my colleagues and the feeling is that if Mr Walsh persists with this kind of management approach then there is no pride in our job and no pride in our airline. I am sorry to all of our customers who have been caught up in this unpleasant mess but please take a rational view of this situation and look at both arguments. I am sure that the 2nd ballet will be for industrial action as nothing has changed and would advise customers to choose there airline carefully until this situation is resolved

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Thank you very much. Selfish as expected from another BASSA militant.
If the airline goes under, your finances and future will not exist.
Have you no regard for the rest of your colleagues in BA or is that a silly question?

[Joetom]

BBC News - Japan Airlines has state-funded aid doubled
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A nice level playing field, will this be the last cash injection ? my guess is no.

[sillywillywalsh]

I did say i am not a unionist. I am sorry i don't share your point of view on this issue but thats what makes a democracy.

[overstress]

Blimey, yet another with 'finances in order' - all these people purporting to be cabin crew, yet they have independent means. If true, perhaps this explains why they feel they can make reckless threats which jeapordise the employment of thousands.

Ms Malone - union salary, part-time BA salary, lives in LA, husband works
The kitchen chap - union salary, BA pay, kitchen fitting on the side
PPRuNe poster - part-time BA, partner, and boasts of an on-line business.

How many of the militants have the luxury of a second income, or whose partner is the main wage earner?

[Tiramisu]

Interesting how VV (or AJ) tends to post simultaneously with Miss M or other like minded selfish BASSA miltants. Is it a case of safety in numbers or scared of your own shadow?

[Nutjob]

WatersideWonker

Great first post but beware whatever you say some on here will want to attack and twist your views.

Also, if you step out of line there is a very real threat that your posts will be used against you - especially if it's pretty obvious what you're saying / threatening. It'd be a right shame if some posts from here, BF or CF HAD been saved by the BA whizzkids and were to be used as evidence.

Ah well, nothing for ME to be afraid of.

[Matt101]

Originally Posted by sillywillywalsh

..... If this means that British Airways goes under and i have no job then so be it i like many have my finances in order and have taken steps to safeguard my future.

What a RIDICULOUS thing to say. How lovely for you. BA has 40,000 ish employees and it's contracts with companies such as Gate Gourmet, Alpha, Various ground handlers etc. as well as the tourism it supports in areas of the world where BA is the sole carrier to the UK probably result in the employment of several thousand others, but no problem if YOUR finances are in order - can you not see why a statement like that results in people, quite frankly, despising you for so blatantly risking their futures.

Thanks to god that I know many more Cabin Crew at BA who have a far better grasp on reality.

.....I am offended to read such venomous comments from people who are unable to see this situation with a balanced mind......

BALANCED mind!!? are you for real? have a re read of the bit of your post I quoted above, the willingness to bring down your employer to protect WW CSD's from service on a trolley is not even close to being balanced.

I am sorry to be blunt but you are dangerous to the future of friends and colleagues at BA with such a full hardy attitude.

[Two-Tone-Blue]

Originally Posted by SillyWillyWalsh

If this means that British Airways goes under and i have no job then so be it i like many have my finances in order and have taken steps to safeguard my future.

As noted by 'overstress' above, your views do you no credit given the impact IA will have on thousands of other BA staff and millions of paying pax. Your comment that ...

I am sorry to all of our customers who have been caught up in this unpleasant mess

.. carries no weight with me, I'm afraid. That is comment is dragged out by Unions time and time again, and is about as sincere as me wishing you a Happy New Year.

As your finances are in order, and your future secure, might I suggest that you go and do just that, but somewhere else, instead of inflicting damage to BA and inconvenience to paying customers.

[PS ... I'm being REALLY restrained here.]

[Meal Chucker]

I am gobsmacked by the level of crew militancy and the determination to vote for an extremely detrimental strike. In the present financial climate the crews expectations are just so unrealistic and it's obvious there has been no thought whatsoever of the long term effects of a strike.

All of this has been orchestrated by a minority of CSD's, the very people who earn the most, yet do the least on board the aircraft.

Why on earth do the rest of the crew accept this?

[Two-Tone-Blue]

Why on earth do the rest of the crew accept this?

baaaa baaaa baaaa ... and Mr Walsh is the Big Bad Wolf. Red Riding Hood is played by Ms Malone.

This is a baaaaa-SSA production.

[MrBunker]

Meal Chucker,

It'd be remiss, and personally disloyal, of me to let that pass unchallenged. Some of the least militant, most thoughtful posters on here are CSDs in our airline and are not orchestrating the foment displayed by the "rest of the crew" . Add to that my own wife who, as a WW CSD, is similarly dismayed by the faux moral crusading attitude of BASSA and has no problem pushing that aforementioned trolley. Mind you, she never did have a problem with it before the changes either so perhaps she, like Tiramisu and others, share a mindset that isn't the BASSA CSD templated one that you allude to.

MrB

[Meal Chucker]

MrBunker

Already thought of that hence I wrote - minority of CSD's!!

[Tiramisu]

Meal Chucker
All of this has been orchestrated by a minority of CSD's, the very people who earn the most, yet do the least on board the aircraft.

Add to that my own wife who, as a WW CSD, is similarly dismayed by the faux moral crusading attitude of BASSA and has no problem pushing that aforementioned trolley. Mind you, she never did have a problem with it before the changes either so perhaps she, like Tiramisu and others, share a mindset that isn't the BASSA CSD templated one that you allude to.
MrB

Meal Chucker,
I've never had any problem working on a trolley and have always done so before and after the changes as Mr B has rightly said about Mrs B as well. On Eurofleet, the CSD has always had a working position in the cabin, regardless of that it's what I enjoy and get paid for, and would always want to do in any case.
As mentioned several times in my previous posts, I have been working on the 767s operating to Moscow, Larnaca and Athens without a Purser since the changes. I have accepted the changes, Voted No to Strike Action and resigned from Amicus/UNITE.
I am willing to take a pay cut/freeze and even go so far to say if I have to go to New Fleet on new T's and C's I will. I consider myself fortunate to have the position I have in BA and see BA as a very good and fair employer.

(For the others who don't share my view, no I haven't swallowed the tablet, I've taken the whole bottle!)

I'm BA Cabin Crew and the above represent my views and not those of BA

[MrBunker]

Meal Chucker,

My apologies - my hangover's not helping my proof-reading!

Regards,

MrB

[Tiramisu]

Meal Chucker,
Apologies, just seen you bold to MrB.
However, no harm in reiterating to those who haven't caught up that not all BA Cabin Crew share the views of the BASSA militants who are hell bent in bringing BA down.

[Meal Chucker]

No problems guys, your points are still worth making, it is a small minority of CSD's and crew, that let the majority of us down.

Unfortunately they are very vocal and appear to have the support of the bulk of the crew.

[SlideBustle]

(For the others who don't share my view, no I haven't swallowed the tablet, I've taken the whole bottle!)

I think I've taken the whole of BA's cupboard!!

Seriously, I AM extremely worried about this whole mess. Contrary to what BASSA and it's diehards think and say, I do not think it's Willie's fault. Makes me laugh when they say it's WW fault for not removing the imposition - ugh he has said he's willing to talk, as long as the Union can accept major changes have to be made. Might be a hard pill to swallow for some, but better than having no job.

Mind you if you have a successful internet business or a home in LA to fall back on you probably don't care either way. BA is just some extra entity neither here not there. If however BA is your major source of income, then make no mistakes YOU DO NOT want to see BA go bust and anyone who suggests this ridiculous thing, as I have said before need to have their heads examined! Unfortunately some colleagues who just believe what everyone says and have believed BASSA rethoric to be true (OMG I will be taking a 40% pay cut!!) will Vote Yes but they have no clue what BASSA are heading for. Although hopefully more people will have seen sense and will be put off going on strike for 12 days!!

[SlideBustle]

Oh GAWD! Guess what I have just seen - BASSA are polling members on their website on how long a strike should be! The majority (207 so far) have voted 10-12 days!! 46 lunatics voted for a strike longer than 12 days!! Only about 300-400 altogether have voted, which is just the militant minority of crew but when will they see sense. Seem that they have believed bassa's rhetoric of ''it has to be 12 days otherwise we will have not one''

Unless LM has been manipulating the figures

[TorC]

Originally Posted by SlideBustle

Oh GAWD! Guess what I have just seen - BASSA are polling members on their website on how long a strike should be! The majority (207 so far) have voted 10-12 days!! 46 lunatics voted for a strike longer than 12 days!! Only about 300-400 altogether have voted, which is just the militant minority of crew but when will they see sense. Seem that they have believed bassa's rhetoric of ''it has to be 12 days otherwise we will have not one''

Unless LM has been manipulating the figures

OMG! Oh well, at least we can then sit back and enjoy the slanging-match between the 1dayers and 12dayers (and all options inbetween, and beyond). Oddly enough, this could cause a bit of open splintering within the ranks of the faithfull .... hope so!

Does the poll offer a 0 day option?

[SlideBustle]

Haha TorC, unfortunatley it does not give a 0 day option! Wouldn't that be great! Would be lovely to vote for that and see them squirm! Unfortunately there are actually only 17 votes for a 1-3 day strike, the lest voted for group. 279 so far have voted for 10-12!! So a few more since my last post.

I take comfort in that the people who voted on this are in the minority (only 451!) HOWEVER BASSA will say when it comes to a strike, ''in the interests of democracy the majority of people on the poll have voted for 10-12 which represents the rest of you'' There was a post on BASSA forum whinging about Tory's plans to actually including NON votes with No votes! As much as I am not really a supporter of Tory - sounds like a policy that fits in well with me!! IA should be something that is harder to achieve, not something that one group or another just threatens willy nilly! I believe in the right of IA, ONLY AS A LAST RESORT WHEN a company has been completely unreasonable etc etc, not because the union find the fact that we have to change a hard pill to swallow, BASSA were getting ready for strike action as soon as BA said they needed to change. Any excuse to fight what they regard as ''the enemy''. So very sad!