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Old 24th Feb 2009, 18:45
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employment costs in IFCE being 14% lower than they are today by year 2

not very specific is he, is it the start or the end of year 2 ?
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Old 24th Feb 2009, 19:47
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Those of you who I’ve met over the last few weeks have said that you recognise the need for change but ask that I do all I can to minimise any personal impact to you financially. To achieve this I believe we need to focus on contracts for future crew whilst looking at how our existing people can be as productive as possible.
Sounds fairly reasonable and I hope if this is the real order of the day it will put some minds at rest.
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Old 24th Feb 2009, 19:56
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So what does that mean for those of us who have just finished our temporary contracts and are now back sitting in the holding pool, and those new recruits who have just been interviewed for the hold pool and are awaiting a job?
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Old 24th Feb 2009, 20:22
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Temps are not a concern -

Sorry, temps are not a real concern at present, You contract is over, and if you want to come back - and they want you to come back, then you'll sign a new contact.. Or not as the case may be..just hang fire.. Got to sort out the full time lot first. And my god that's going to take some sorting ! ..
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Old 24th Feb 2009, 21:00
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I can see the BASSA negotiators being measured up for their custom earplugs even as we speak.
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Old 25th Feb 2009, 08:16
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Mr Francis, head of IfCE, has stated that there will be no big announcement. That is not to say that there will not be changes.
PC767 head in the sand as usual.

The letter was sent this morning and is detailed above, interesting BASSA response
BASSA has the best and most experienced negotiating team within the entire Trade Union movement, you can be confident they will do their job
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Old 25th Feb 2009, 09:32
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Columbus has now been replaced with Focus on Costs...
How do you know it has been replaced?
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Old 25th Feb 2009, 09:49
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Just a change of name same principal.
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Old 25th Feb 2009, 15:01
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Bassa were available for talks prior to this time. It was the company which was unwilling.
Funny how BALPA knew of the proposals about 2 weeks ago - I guess all the BASSA reps were busy in MRU !!!!
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Old 25th Feb 2009, 17:32
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RE: Temps are not a concern...

I agree that Temps are certainly of no concern to Bassa, but they are to the British Airways. Why are they placing us back into the Hold Pool then, the same hold pool that they are currently actively recruiting for? The announcement, or non-announcement, or whatever it may be, clearly has been thought through by BA and I would imagine that the people in this 'hold pool' are quite an important element of their plan.
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Old 25th Feb 2009, 17:52
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Welshboy !

Sorry, yes your right, but right now you've got to sit it out in the side lines.. while other things get sorted...chill
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Old 25th Feb 2009, 18:40
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Da Dog.

From the horses mouth.11th Feb 2009, 1411hrs.

Any expectation of a big bang announcement is unlikely to happen. I plan to write to everyone in IFCE after that date.......thanks Bill
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Old 26th Feb 2009, 19:53
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SFBDolly, i am chilled! Sort of... I'm slowly trying to get something sorted for when my contract ends and am almost there!

I'm sure you will agree that it is frustrating for everybody not knowing whats really going on, but i'm just happy now that talks are finally happening and that the wheels are in motion! I just hope that things get sorted as quickly as possible, i don't want BASSA to rush anything through... but i also hope they don't play around with BA and take months and months to sort out the current issues. There are a lot of people waiting on the results of these talks as to there future, temps, permanent crew etc.
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Old 27th Feb 2009, 14:54
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I am a member of Flight Crew and believe that flight crew and cabin crew need to have a union to protect them.

During the snow disruption a few weeks ago many crew had difficulty getting to the airport. A BA Toronto flight dispatched from Heathrow with the First Class section closed down due to a shortage of cabin crew. This happens sometimes, particularly if there are no First Class passengers booked.

On the return flight, ex Toronto, First Class was fully booked with full fare passengers, as was Club. But there was a problem with how to operate the service with the shortage of cabin crew. Then a passenger who was a BA cabin crew member offered to operate. This opportunity was jumped at by the YYZ ground staff as a way to operate with a First Class section. Phone calls were made but BASSA was adamant that because the flight had operated ex LHR with a closed First Class section it would have to operate back to LHR with a closed First Class section regardless of how many cabin crew were on board.

Consequently all First Class Passengers were put in Club, some Club passengers were downgraded. The loss of revenue to BA was estimated at £40-60,000. On top of this there would have been considerable admin involved in refunds and letters at a time when there was already major disruption.

To any fair minded person this utter inflexibility of BASSA is akin to industrial sabotage. BASSA deprived BA of significant premium revenue and alienated passengers. There was no gain to anybody. This is not what people join a union for. In times of extremes, whether it be disruption, 911, or weather, companies need some flexibility. Yet BA have their hands tied by BASSA making it very difficult to compete profitably with other airlines. It is time BASSA changed.







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Old 27th Feb 2009, 16:24
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Come on draglift, an agreement is an agreement

This made me laugh the other day en route. It came to Cabin Crew break time, the CSD came up with "a problem" apparently the crew had to have 3 hours horizontal rest each, but with our ETA they were only going to get 2hrs 50, so could we slow down?

Well the math was done and we worked out we could gain 15 minuets (and burn a considerable amount of extra fuel) that still was not good enough, so in order to get 3 horizontal the breakfast service wasn't done.

You could not make it up
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Old 27th Feb 2009, 18:40
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Perhaps you could, perhaps the CAA could. You give no details of the flight but certain long range flights require certain rest periods for both pilots and cabin crew. Not a BA rule, not a BASSA rule, CAA rule.

I have no details of route, aircraft, passenger loads or remaining flight time after mandatory rest. It could have been possible to complete the service, clear in and prepare the cabin for landing, or it could not, I wasn't there. Point is 3hrs rest period is a legal requirement on some long range.
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Old 27th Feb 2009, 18:47
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NRT is a route that 3 hours minimum horizontal rest is required as a result of flight time/time change/minimum rest in NRT/not being acclimatised as per scheme.
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Old 27th Feb 2009, 18:58
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I can assure you in the circumstances 3 hours horizontal rest was not required by the CAA, as they say in America "go figure"

Now back to your scheme v industrial

I will refrain from giving exact details, least the BASSA rebels amongst us "name and shame"
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Old 27th Feb 2009, 19:09
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In which case it was neither a scheme nor industrial issue so you can stop banging your head against bricks. (Not a very becoming attitude for a cool in control pilot.)

The CSD was wrong. I trust you reported the issue so the CSD can recieve the appropriate feedback.
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Old 27th Feb 2009, 19:24
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Thank you PC767, I actually enjoy banging my head against a brick wall

It was not the CSD who had the problem, lets just say one of the pursers on the flight had stirred up enough of the crew to mount a mutiny, to be more specific might lead you to an obvious conclusion.
I trust you reported the issue so the CSD can recieve the appropriate feedback.
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Actually, PC767 despite what you may think of Pilots, most of them will not go running to the management in an attempt to drop their work colleagues "in it"
The CSD did what they thought "right" in the circumstances.

This just further highlights yet another issue of who actually thinks they run BA
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