Facebook - VS crew is not alone... BA groups have similar problem
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It's really not very complicated.
All of the staff involved, in both airlines have placed their employers in a position where they have no option but to take some sort of action: They assisted their employers by making their own identities publicly accessible.
This is sometimes known as Darwin in action.
As some others in the herd stand staring in dumb amazement at the bodies on the ground, there are two options available.
1: Learn from the experience.
2: Fail to learn from the experience.
Virginia - you're behaving like a drunk in a bar, stumbling around, bumping into people, looking for a way to start a fight. Go home please, and sleep it off. If you wake up and still find yourself believing that you are the Guardian Angel of Free Speech & Democracy, then you won't have sobered up yet.
All of the staff involved, in both airlines have placed their employers in a position where they have no option but to take some sort of action: They assisted their employers by making their own identities publicly accessible.
This is sometimes known as Darwin in action.
As some others in the herd stand staring in dumb amazement at the bodies on the ground, there are two options available.
1: Learn from the experience.
2: Fail to learn from the experience.
Virginia - you're behaving like a drunk in a bar, stumbling around, bumping into people, looking for a way to start a fight. Go home please, and sleep it off. If you wake up and still find yourself believing that you are the Guardian Angel of Free Speech & Democracy, then you won't have sobered up yet.
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personally I find it all exceedingly boring unfortunately gutter rags like the mail and my employers don't find it quite so dull. Thankfully I only moan under a pseuydonym (though it is a rubbish one!) Facebook seems to be more a
Method of stalking people anyway.
Method of stalking people anyway.
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As flaps 40 said, when you join Virgin you sign a contract to the effect that you will not bring the company into disrepute etc etc etc.
Also it takes a chav to recognise another one - if thats the case. !!!!!
Having had first hand experience of Virgin (professionally of course) cabin crews some of them leave a lot of them to be desired in their attitudes to each other!!!!!!
Also it takes a chav to recognise another one - if thats the case. !!!!!
Having had first hand experience of Virgin (professionally of course) cabin crews some of them leave a lot of them to be desired in their attitudes to each other!!!!!!
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...and it isn`t always on networking sites...
If your daft enough to have pics and your name on a site then write things which are possibly not accurate or half the picture then your kinda asking for it really. Unfortunately, it was probably some evening when you`d had a bad day knocked back a glass or too many wines.. (breezer for the chav`s) and then post something perhaps you wouldn`t normally do. Even on here you see it.
The amazing thing is then joe public read this in the press/newspaper website and then they get to have their tuppence worth or comments. Which of course runs negative views, including they know what happens coz their next door neighbours second cousin works there too and their hairdressers son`s friend knows their mothers sister who works at that airline and its all true!
Now to my title.. Dating sites. Also run some risk too. The varrious frequent flyer groups have been know to start a grumble about a flight they had with airline you work for.
I`ve even had guys (around 4 so far) hit on me from chat/dating sites who have said "hey I recognise you from my flight to..from.." etc..
mmm pleased I don`t put the butt naked pics on my profiles.. Just a thought and little something that may not cross your minds when putting those compromising photos of yourself. Yep I agree free time is your free time and do what you please, but I was a bit taken back by those guys, and matters worse, sometimes there pics are missing their head/face.
The amazing thing is then joe public read this in the press/newspaper website and then they get to have their tuppence worth or comments. Which of course runs negative views, including they know what happens coz their next door neighbours second cousin works there too and their hairdressers son`s friend knows their mothers sister who works at that airline and its all true!
Now to my title.. Dating sites. Also run some risk too. The varrious frequent flyer groups have been know to start a grumble about a flight they had with airline you work for.
I`ve even had guys (around 4 so far) hit on me from chat/dating sites who have said "hey I recognise you from my flight to..from.." etc..
mmm pleased I don`t put the butt naked pics on my profiles.. Just a thought and little something that may not cross your minds when putting those compromising photos of yourself. Yep I agree free time is your free time and do what you please, but I was a bit taken back by those guys, and matters worse, sometimes there pics are missing their head/face.
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The axe I have to grind with this whole BA/VS Facebook affair is that if the people involved worked in another industry it would barely merit a mention anywhere. Let's say some Virgin Media staff had a Facebook page claiming that their set-top boxes (or whatever they flog) were likely to combust and that their satellite dishes enhanced the stone cladding on their customer's council houses. Or British Gas engineers made similar disparaging remarks about their customers and company's equipment, would they lose their jobs and/or provoke a media outcry? I don't think they would.
As someone else mentioned, most contracts (including most I've ever had) have clauses about not bringing the company into disrepute, which is clearly what happened here.
I've very little sympathy for anyone of those involved in these two incidents to be honest.
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As one who has been relegated to being old and fat and SLF, I'm finding out first hand just how objectionable some passengers can be, and frankly I'm apalled, but then that's people for you! However comma, as CC, dealing with them on your aircraft or airline is the job you took on, so like the rest of us, grin and bear it, and vent your spleen at the bar, or somewhere private and anonymous like the pprune dedicated areas amongst like thinking people, and not on a social site where you can be identified.
Added to which, it's not very nice for passengers to know that the CC think they are smelly objectionable objects, even if they are! On that basis alone it affects a passengers perception of the airline, and I can understand management taking a dim view of it. Im not sure sacking is an appropriate solution, to me it would seem like a knee jerk reaction to a bad press, but a spot of ' hats on, no tea and bikkies counselling' would be fitting.
Incidentally I DO resent anyone with however crappy a job getting a discount on anything, mainly because I don't get one and only have a free bus pass and pensioners discount at Focus on a Wednesday to look forward to.
Fly safe and keep smiling
Added to which, it's not very nice for passengers to know that the CC think they are smelly objectionable objects, even if they are! On that basis alone it affects a passengers perception of the airline, and I can understand management taking a dim view of it. Im not sure sacking is an appropriate solution, to me it would seem like a knee jerk reaction to a bad press, but a spot of ' hats on, no tea and bikkies counselling' would be fitting.
Incidentally I DO resent anyone with however crappy a job getting a discount on anything, mainly because I don't get one and only have a free bus pass and pensioners discount at Focus on a Wednesday to look forward to.
Fly safe and keep smiling
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Its wrong for crew to have a good moan? How many of you are sat moaning right now? Its a basic human reaction to have a good moan about something.
How many of us are British and by virtue like to moan? Moaning is a British institution!
Unwise yes to post publicly with face pics and name visible, but how do we know that group didn't start out private and someone had an axe to grind and made it public?
We're all quick to point the finger condemn them to hell or what ever (grow up), but aren't we all safe in the fact we're perfect and would never do something silly.....ever?!
Really sacking them was a little bit OTT, crew have done much much worse than that!
Fecking chavy pax, dodgy plasticy flying airbus, call bell pressing cattle.....D'oh!
How many of us are British and by virtue like to moan? Moaning is a British institution!
Unwise yes to post publicly with face pics and name visible, but how do we know that group didn't start out private and someone had an axe to grind and made it public?
We're all quick to point the finger condemn them to hell or what ever (grow up), but aren't we all safe in the fact we're perfect and would never do something silly.....ever?!
Really sacking them was a little bit OTT, crew have done much much worse than that!
Fecking chavy pax, dodgy plasticy flying airbus, call bell pressing cattle.....D'oh!
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As I said to Virginia, perfect - far from it.
Done stupid stuff - hell yes, enough to fill my own thread (check out some of my previous posts if you want a laugh
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Been stupid enough to do something (really) stupid and then leave my card ? Eeeerrrrrrrr...............
As for the hell part, it seems that you too missed the point, their actions have a direct (and very negative ) impact on the reputation of their employer. They displayed a total lack of respect for their customers and for the company that pays their wages !!!!
So yup, toss 'em and burn 'em - because by doing so it demonstrates to the customer that their actions are totally unacceptable and will be punished to emphasise the value of the customer. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot, this is more like taking both your bollocks off with a plastic spoon
Or is it you are god squad and thought the hell reference was OTT ?
Enjoy !
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We're all quick to point the finger condemn them to hell or what ever (grow up), but aren't we all safe in the fact we're perfect and would never do something silly.....ever?!
Done stupid stuff - hell yes, enough to fill my own thread (check out some of my previous posts if you want a laugh
)Been stupid enough to do something (really) stupid and then leave my card ? Eeeerrrrrrrr...............
As for the hell part, it seems that you too missed the point, their actions have a direct (and very negative ) impact on the reputation of their employer. They displayed a total lack of respect for their customers and for the company that pays their wages !!!!
So yup, toss 'em and burn 'em - because by doing so it demonstrates to the customer that their actions are totally unacceptable and will be punished to emphasise the value of the customer. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot, this is more like taking both your bollocks off with a plastic spoon
Or is it you are god squad and thought the hell reference was OTT ?
Enjoy !
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But I'll add my 2 Euros........I find it ironic that today's generation are quite happy to have the current Government ride a horse and coaches through their civil liberties without so much as a whimper of protest (even today the Home Sec has proclaimed that people "can't wait" for ID cards
) and yet God-knows how many million have signed an online petition to force Facebook to rethink their site design 
The comprehensive education system in the UK really does need a bomb put under it..........
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Well I lost interest the moment Facebook was mentioned (aka a site for dysfunctionals who are unable to properly socially interact with other human beings).
I rest my case
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At my place of work, people sat six feet from each other would rather "poke" or "tickle" or "send a gift" or "write on a wall" or "play a game of Scrabulous" with each other than simply open their mouth and say "hey, fancy coming out on Friday night?"
I swear to sweet Jesus, in 10 years time we're going to be infested with an entire generation of brain dead idiots who have no concept of being able to actually *talk* to someone else.
God help every one of us
I swear to sweet Jesus, in 10 years time we're going to be infested with an entire generation of brain dead idiots who have no concept of being able to actually *talk* to someone else.
God help every one of us
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I swear to sweet Jesus, in 10 years time we're going to be infested with an entire generation of brain dead idiots who have no concept of being able to actually *talk* to someone else.
Anyway, thread drift
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ahahahahahahahahahahah .War of the websites has begun . Criticizing people networking, gossiping... on social sites while chatting on PPRUNE .Talk about straw in neighbour's eyes and the rest of it . Seriously ???
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ahahahahahahahahahahah .War of the websites has begun . Criticizing people networking, gossiping... on social sites while chatting on PPRUNE .Talk about straw in neighbour's eyes and the rest of it . Seriously ???
But at least there is actually a theme to the talk/gossip here, even in Jet Blast (mostly).
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Oh dear C130
What are your views C130 about personal freedoms, you seem to go around slamming other people like Virginia for theirs, so were do you stand? I got your card son.
Now would you have it that we cant talk about our work down the pub, or in the church? come on man get a grip we are all people and people in this country have a right to express their opinions.
Or would you rather that we change the laws to suit your narrow minded and totally self centered view of the world? But, remember if we do this the wolves may come after you one day my friend when you put your great big foot in it, which we all do from time to time. People can have very very long memories, and those crew will bear a grudge for such an injustice for a very long time. Maybe one day it will be you that faces them over a desk for something you have said out of work.
If a group of people who happen to be Virgin or BA employees who want to have a chat about their job, what moral right do you or Virgin or or anybody else have to forbid them, worse still punish them for that?
It is you who are off mark my friend. Why are you attacking Virginia, on a personal level when all she has said is that she supports their right to talk about whatever they want without fear of persecution?
Now would you have it that we cant talk about our work down the pub, or in the church? come on man get a grip we are all people and people in this country have a right to express their opinions.
Or would you rather that we change the laws to suit your narrow minded and totally self centered view of the world? But, remember if we do this the wolves may come after you one day my friend when you put your great big foot in it, which we all do from time to time. People can have very very long memories, and those crew will bear a grudge for such an injustice for a very long time. Maybe one day it will be you that faces them over a desk for something you have said out of work.
If a group of people who happen to be Virgin or BA employees who want to have a chat about their job, what moral right do you or Virgin or or anybody else have to forbid them, worse still punish them for that?
It is you who are off mark my friend. Why are you attacking Virginia, on a personal level when all she has said is that she supports their right to talk about whatever they want without fear of persecution?
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You don't have my card - I never sent one, "son".
As for slamming, unless Virginia is a tequila I don't think so.
For freedom of speech, enjoy it mate as I do. And I suspect that I have done a lot more to protect that freedom then you ever have, so no thanks to your banal lecture. If you doubt my claim check my previous posts.
As for gobbing off in the bar / church / brothel / wherever, go right ahead. But are you really that stupid to not think that if you criticise a group ( eg fare paying passengers) perhaps there may be some comeback ? So use your freedoms and here are some examples:
Snow is white.
See, easy.
Try this one:
All Virgin pax (including myself as I used them to fly to JFK) are to§§ers !
Again no problem for me (secret clue: have never been involved with VS as anything but a customer).
Now try this one:
Put on a Virgin uniform, go to the front of T3 and shout "all Virgin pax are to§§ers !". Still got your free speech, but somehow I don't see it happening.
As for some bitter and twisted ex VS crew marking my card, whatever. Its been done before by experts and if nothing else it will keep them entertained whilst they are queuing down the job centre. If they also want to bare a grudge, then look in the mirror to find the cause. By all means "chat" but "condescend" ? Duh !!!!
So go ahead and whine that they have been hard done by.
If Virginia thinks she's been done in by me, then let her use her free speech to give it back and finally you are not my friend.
As for slamming, unless Virginia is a tequila I don't think so.
For freedom of speech, enjoy it mate as I do. And I suspect that I have done a lot more to protect that freedom then you ever have, so no thanks to your banal lecture. If you doubt my claim check my previous posts.
As for gobbing off in the bar / church / brothel / wherever, go right ahead. But are you really that stupid to not think that if you criticise a group ( eg fare paying passengers) perhaps there may be some comeback ? So use your freedoms and here are some examples:
Snow is white.
See, easy.
Try this one:
All Virgin pax (including myself as I used them to fly to JFK) are to§§ers !
Again no problem for me (secret clue: have never been involved with VS as anything but a customer).
Now try this one:
Put on a Virgin uniform, go to the front of T3 and shout "all Virgin pax are to§§ers !". Still got your free speech, but somehow I don't see it happening.
As for some bitter and twisted ex VS crew marking my card, whatever. Its been done before by experts and if nothing else it will keep them entertained whilst they are queuing down the job centre. If they also want to bare a grudge, then look in the mirror to find the cause. By all means "chat" but "condescend" ? Duh !!!!
So go ahead and whine that they have been hard done by.
If Virginia thinks she's been done in by me, then let her use her free speech to give it back and finally you are not my friend.
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