QANTAS - Divisional Transfer for 16 SYD CSM
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QANTAS - Divisional Transfer for 16 SYD CSM
Not sure if this is true....but I've just heard today that the company announced on Crew Voice for OBM that 16 SYD based CSMs will be transferred to Long Haul under Divsional Transfer arrangments. They have already been given phone calls and their start dates will be the first week of December. They will not transfer as CSMs but must downgrade to FA. The company's reason.....there is an oversupply of CSMs in Short Haul. WHAT A LOAD OF B.S.!!!!!!!!!!! After all the VRs, there are literally hundreds of CSM flying hours in Open Time now!!!!!!
Funny that....the start dates of these 16 conincides with the next training school for A380 which is also first week of December (Decemeber 3rd actually). Obviously, the company will be deploying these transferees hoping that they may upgrade them again on the A380.
SO...............WHERE IS THE FAIRNESS FOR THE REST OF US WHO ARE ON THE DIVSIONAL TRANSFER LIST???????? I am sure there are a lot of FA who are higher up on the transfer list than some of these CSMs???????????????????? Anyone got any more info?????
Funny that....the start dates of these 16 conincides with the next training school for A380 which is also first week of December (Decemeber 3rd actually). Obviously, the company will be deploying these transferees hoping that they may upgrade them again on the A380.
SO...............WHERE IS THE FAIRNESS FOR THE REST OF US WHO ARE ON THE DIVSIONAL TRANSFER LIST???????? I am sure there are a lot of FA who are higher up on the transfer list than some of these CSMs???????????????????? Anyone got any more info?????
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"Obviously, the company will be deploying these transferees hoping that they may upgrade them again on the A380."
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Oh for the sanity of all of us tell them they are dreaming.
Even the klutzes running Cabin Crew know that a Purser does not a CSM make.
"Obviously, the company will be deploying these transferees hoping that they may upgrade them again on the A380."
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Oh for the sanity of all of us tell them they are dreaming.
Even the klutzes running Cabin Crew know that a Purser does not a CSM make.
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This from the FAAA today in their weekly newsletter. As usual they couldnt be bothered issuing a notice in regard to this VERY important matter so they hide behind their newsletter.
It is clear the FAAA have zero power when it comes to dealing with the company they had no idea this was even in the wind that is how much the company keeps the FAAA informed.
There are hundreds upon hundreds of hours in open time for CSM's yet we have surplus? Pleeeeease give me a break.
speedbirdhouse - Nothing would surprise me these days so never say never.
Long Haul Placement
We have been advised by the Company that a number of CSMs will be offered a placement to Long Haul as flight attendants. This is related to the Company’s stated surplus of CSMs in Short Haul.
Members should note that the FAAA is NOT in agreement as it is outside the divisional transfer agreement. The Association has informed the Company of the following:
· The FAAA may have considered a proposal to transfer CSMs in category
· The number of CSMs transferred are NOT to form part of the numbers required to transfer this financial year
· If there is a surplus of CSMs then there should be no day off drafting of CSMs during December and into the New Year
It is clear the FAAA have zero power when it comes to dealing with the company they had no idea this was even in the wind that is how much the company keeps the FAAA informed.
There are hundreds upon hundreds of hours in open time for CSM's yet we have surplus? Pleeeeease give me a break.
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Long Haul Placement
We have been advised by the Company that a number of CSMs will be offered a placement to Long Haul as flight attendants. This is related to the Company’s stated surplus of CSMs in Short Haul.
Members should note that the FAAA is NOT in agreement as it is outside the divisional transfer agreement. The Association has informed the Company of the following:
· The FAAA may have considered a proposal to transfer CSMs in category
· The number of CSMs transferred are NOT to form part of the numbers required to transfer this financial year
· If there is a surplus of CSMs then there should be no day off drafting of CSMs during December and into the New Year
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Speedbirdhouse....as you may or may not agree with me....it all comes down to filling empty slots....not quality, when it comes to Qantas. I am not trying to denigrate from the CSMs who are transferring over, as I am sure some of them are very competent on board managers. That is not the issue of discussion of this post. They obviously haven't got enough full time LH crew applying for it, hence the company are dipping into SH ranks now. Contrast this to Singapore Airlines and Emirates....who pick their finest cream to work on their flagship A380.....unfortunately, this is not the case with Qantas. OK, I may be generalising here...but its either 18-20 year olds with limited flying/life experience or its the 55-70 year olds who are seeing out the end of their flying career on the A380. You would like to think the company could have combed through their database of exemplarary crew and picked the best to work on it , wouldn't you?
Got a memo from the FAAA today...the rumour is confirmed. The union says that it is powerless to stop the company from pursuing this transfer as it is "outside the divsional transfer arrangements" and will try and push for this figure of 16 not to be included in the yearly 16 intake into LH. I checked my position on the Div Transfer list and indeed some of these CSMs are junior to me on the list. Oh well, what can I do?
So if there is a freeze of recruitment across the company and no new CSMs are made within domestic....who the hell are gonna take the place of the 16+ who have now left due to VR or transfer to LH? Are they gonna make some of us work out of category?????????
Got a memo from the FAAA today...the rumour is confirmed. The union says that it is powerless to stop the company from pursuing this transfer as it is "outside the divsional transfer arrangements" and will try and push for this figure of 16 not to be included in the yearly 16 intake into LH. I checked my position on the Div Transfer list and indeed some of these CSMs are junior to me on the list. Oh well, what can I do?
So if there is a freeze of recruitment across the company and no new CSMs are made within domestic....who the hell are gonna take the place of the 16+ who have now left due to VR or transfer to LH? Are they gonna make some of us work out of category?????????
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There is going to be quite a big restructure of base numbers in the s/h division in the next week or so. I think Cairns base is where you will find the crew will come from. Double daily NRT stop on December 17.
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Around 70 LH CC take VR.....and within a week 16 pursers get transferred to LH.
Remove a surplus and create a surplus and then find out you have a shortfall.
The qantas way.....manage resources no further than a week ahead.
Remove a surplus and create a surplus and then find out you have a shortfall.
The qantas way.....manage resources no further than a week ahead.
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A phone all to allocations on Thursday got a response telling me they have no plans for Domestic base transfers at the moment - Possibly not until March 09. A message on CIS will appear advising crew of transfers before they receive a phone call, telling them their base destination.
If no action is taken in the Cairns base I have estimated that after the NRT flying stops there will be a situation where Reserve crew numbers jump from 25 to about 45.
And the surplus is with CSM's ? PFFFFFT !!!! Action the divisional transfer list for flight attendants IMMEDIATELY.
If no action is taken in the Cairns base I have estimated that after the NRT flying stops there will be a situation where Reserve crew numbers jump from 25 to about 45.
And the surplus is with CSM's ? PFFFFFT !!!! Action the divisional transfer list for flight attendants IMMEDIATELY.
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Here! Here! QF Skywalker I'm with you....Action the divisional transfer list for "F's" sake....there are close to 800 people on this list and the company is preoccupied with picking the lint out of its belly button. I WANT OUT OF DOMESTIC!!!!!! LIKE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hey Skywalker,
The Cairns base size will have to be looked very soon. Where on earth will they find enough flying to keep Res numbers down. It's all going JQ way. With the world economic issues at hand, look for more flying going to JQ.
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The Cairns base size will have to be looked very soon. Where on earth will they find enough flying to keep Res numbers down. It's all going JQ way. With the world economic issues at hand, look for more flying going to JQ.
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Transfers!!
Long haul - first advertises BFA positions now available, but also places note on CIS any BFA who wishes to take leave in the next bid period, please contact them.
See now this is what happens when you have toooooo many slices of PIE !!
Long haul, Short haul, MAM, A380, QCCA, QCCUK , QBKK, QAKL and next QCCD!
No wonder no one know the numbers!!
Qantas years ago made crew redundant in 1988 I think it was then realized they had F&#ked up the numbers and had to re-employ!
See now this is what happens when you have toooooo many slices of PIE !!
Long haul, Short haul, MAM, A380, QCCA, QCCUK , QBKK, QAKL and next QCCD!
No wonder no one know the numbers!!
Qantas years ago made crew redundant in 1988 I think it was then realized they had F&#ked up the numbers and had to re-employ!
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smartalec888.....I would take QCCA anyday....anything to get away from Mothers Club + sh*t box 737 + Sh*tty-Flyer. I don't care if I have to eat dog food and moonlight as a check out chick in a dodgy sex shop in some back alley of Kings Cross......I want out of Qantas Domestic....either via divsional transfer or QCCA, whichever comes first. Of course, as we all know, there is a freeze on recruitment and nothing is happening re div transfers.
Qantas always looks for obscure reasons for getting rid of crew or not actioning divisional transfer list. The reason for the month of November is: "The worldwide price of lesbian albino yak milk has fallen on the stock exchange and this affects Qantas in that it does not allow us to deliver exceptional customer service efficiently and therefore we need to make crew redundant...." blah blah.
Stay tuned folks for the excuse Qantas will give for the month of December. I'm thinking maybe: "There has been an unprecedented decline in the worldwide price of aluminium, and Qantas forcasts that this will have an impact on the price of the foil lids used to cover economy hot meals...therefore, we have decided not to action the divisional transfer list"
Qantas always looks for obscure reasons for getting rid of crew or not actioning divisional transfer list. The reason for the month of November is: "The worldwide price of lesbian albino yak milk has fallen on the stock exchange and this affects Qantas in that it does not allow us to deliver exceptional customer service efficiently and therefore we need to make crew redundant...." blah blah.
Stay tuned folks for the excuse Qantas will give for the month of December. I'm thinking maybe: "There has been an unprecedented decline in the worldwide price of aluminium, and Qantas forcasts that this will have an impact on the price of the foil lids used to cover economy hot meals...therefore, we have decided not to action the divisional transfer list"
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If the pay for QCCA was better maybe more people would actually WANT to go across from S/H... I find it funny to watch this back-and-forth of contradicting statements from various higher-ups... amusing.
Maybe I should go do a management degree and apply for a job in the puzzle palace... could spend all day walking around with a 5 cent piece and inspecting aprons to see if they are tied correctly...
Seriously though... does anyone think something will happen soon that actually makes sense???
Maybe I should go do a management degree and apply for a job in the puzzle palace... could spend all day walking around with a 5 cent piece and inspecting aprons to see if they are tied correctly...
Seriously though... does anyone think something will happen soon that actually makes sense???
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Little Red Hat....you'll have to excuse me for my ignorance....but how do you inspect if aprons are tied correctly with a 5 cent piece? Buggered if I know...I seldom wear my apron anyway.....I enjoy the liberation of free-balling. If they made the apron about 2-3 shades lighter than gun metal grey, perhaps I might wear it...but black on black darling is just too much for the eyes to feast on!!!!!! 
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Domestos, if you don't know how love then you're not management material!!!! 
There should have been a comma, the 5 cent thing was a facetious remark about something mentioned in another thread...
So... any more news from up on high?? More 'I know it's not standard but's perhaps??
There should have been a comma, the 5 cent thing was a facetious remark about something mentioned in another thread...
So... any more news from up on high?? More 'I know it's not standard but's perhaps??
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Well the only totally and utterly unfounded gossip that I've heard is that QCCB (Qantas Cabin Crew Biscuitchuckers that is) may start happening in January 2009. It is unlikely anything will happen in December this year as much of the ivory tower pen-pushers will be away for Christmas break (I'm talkin' about the ones with real power....not the ones who write a dicky segment in CCN once a week to get their 15mins of fame). I reckon come new year, when management is back from breaks, things will really start to ham up. There won't be anymore people progressing to LH this year as a class is already booked for first week of Decemeber, and they've already taken 48 in total this year. Bet your bottom dollar that the 250 external applicants currently put on hold from the external freeze will be unfrozen and carted onto the Biscuit conveyor belt to the new entity come January 2009.
A CSM friend of mine called me up today cos he was called up for the special LH intake. He told me that they were "desperate" and only gave him about 3 hours to make a decision (he had until midday to get back to them). I told my friend to take the opportunity, especially if its been handed down to you on a silver lined Mark Newsom tray. I suggested that the positions may be lined up for A380. He said he wasn't prepared to take the risk of downgrading if there was no guaranteed re-upgrade again. Then I suggested...go with your heart and so he did...he didn't take the offer.
I asked my friend why the positions were being offered only to CSMs. My friend posed the same question to his manager......it was because not enough CSMs took the VR package...that is why this cull is being offered. What a load of..........(rotten galaxy apples)!
A CSM friend of mine called me up today cos he was called up for the special LH intake. He told me that they were "desperate" and only gave him about 3 hours to make a decision (he had until midday to get back to them). I told my friend to take the opportunity, especially if its been handed down to you on a silver lined Mark Newsom tray. I suggested that the positions may be lined up for A380. He said he wasn't prepared to take the risk of downgrading if there was no guaranteed re-upgrade again. Then I suggested...go with your heart and so he did...he didn't take the offer.
I asked my friend why the positions were being offered only to CSMs. My friend posed the same question to his manager......it was because not enough CSMs took the VR package...that is why this cull is being offered. What a load of..........(rotten galaxy apples)!
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Interesting news indeed. I had thought the same re: nothing much until Jan.
Silly that the CSMs wanting to go can't go across in category. Stupid stupid. Why they think anyone would do it with no guarantee of being able to go back to the same category they left in, I don't know!! What kind of incentive is that?!
Silly that the CSMs wanting to go can't go across in category. Stupid stupid. Why they think anyone would do it with no guarantee of being able to go back to the same category they left in, I don't know!! What kind of incentive is that?!