Virgin - Crew Discussions II
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All these people who post on this forum berating the cabin crew for threatening to strike should think about the cause of a strike in the first place.
If the management halved the cabin crews salaries, and there was a strike threat, who would be to blame? I dont think people would blame the cabin crew so why are they blaming them now, when the cabin crew see their salaries as being way out of line with other long haul airlines.
Strike threats are caused by management as well as staff.
If the management halved the cabin crews salaries, and there was a strike threat, who would be to blame? I dont think people would blame the cabin crew so why are they blaming them now, when the cabin crew see their salaries as being way out of line with other long haul airlines.
Strike threats are caused by management as well as staff.
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VS LHR - Here is the dilemma then. If you don't like it then leave. You have given a percentage of your working life to VS, to help VS maintain its reputation as a great carrier. Every now and then, you could have given that personal touch to a customer, that guarantees repeat business for the next 10 years. That could be worth a fortune to VS.
However, I would get paid more to work in a shoe shop, so pi55 of to that shoe shop, you are not wanted because you want parity with other airlines flying the same routes and that just is not acceptable.
BA can make a profit and pay well; Easy and the Charters pay more and mostly make a profit. So the problem must be the way the company is directed and managed. You would fit in well to that team coz fit in or **** off is a stalwart of British management technique!
However, I would get paid more to work in a shoe shop, so pi55 of to that shoe shop, you are not wanted because you want parity with other airlines flying the same routes and that just is not acceptable.
BA can make a profit and pay well; Easy and the Charters pay more and mostly make a profit. So the problem must be the way the company is directed and managed. You would fit in well to that team coz fit in or **** off is a stalwart of British management technique!
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I just have to ask the question: What is the basic pay for a new entry cabin crew with VS? That is when all allowances are included. I'm asking because a good friend of mine is a train manager on Virgin West Coast and she does really need a change.
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She could even apply for a job at the Virgin clubhouse and get paid around £20k. Not be away from home 3-4 days a week. Not miss out on 1 or 2 nights sleep every week. Not have the associated health problems that come with missing so much sleep. Not have the stress of being potentially 'stood down' each time you go to work if you forgot the answer to SEP and AVMED questions. And not have to work in an unhealthy environment for upto 13hrs at a time.
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I am not in the Union, so did not vote. Had I been a member I would have voted yes to the deal as I am happy with my salary (waits for the backlash.)
What I am finding very frustrating regarding this topic are complaints about factors which are inherent to the job of ANY long haul cabin crew. Back - nobody complains about being away for a few days a week when you are on a great trip - why do it now here? ALL long haul crew face time away from home, lack of sleep (which is why we have days off after every trip) etc etc. That has not changed since you accepted the role, however long ago, nor will it change should you look at another carrier.
Some of you may feel that you have an issue with pay - thats fine and its your personal opinion and I repsect that. Lets not however get into "poor me" discussions about how hard the job is - its not.
What I am finding very frustrating regarding this topic are complaints about factors which are inherent to the job of ANY long haul cabin crew. Back - nobody complains about being away for a few days a week when you are on a great trip - why do it now here? ALL long haul crew face time away from home, lack of sleep (which is why we have days off after every trip) etc etc. That has not changed since you accepted the role, however long ago, nor will it change should you look at another carrier.
Some of you may feel that you have an issue with pay - thats fine and its your personal opinion and I repsect that. Lets not however get into "poor me" discussions about how hard the job is - its not.
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whilst we are on the topic - if I did a back to back ORD/EWR I would be earning not far off £500 in allowances and trip pay too.
But we are always the hard done by relative aren't we Back??? Poor us.
But we are always the hard done by relative aren't we Back??? Poor us.
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Sorry my old friend G7, but that's not really a fair comment as a technician (cabin) is paid a higher basic wage than the crew manager!!!
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Back2front, ANZ only get 2 days off after a 2 night LAX or 2 night HKG, sometimes 3 days off. Now that is tough!
Could some one please please clarify what my interpretations of the following are: The 4.8% is still on the table up until the votes are counted and if there is a no vote then we get the deal and if its a yes vote we lose it??
This is really confussing!
Could some one please please clarify what my interpretations of the following are: The 4.8% is still on the table up until the votes are counted and if there is a no vote then we get the deal and if its a yes vote we lose it??
This is really confussing!
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just to throw some petrol on the fire! but how does a cc manager and licenced technicians wages compare?? surely a 3 or 4 year apprenticeship and then 14 exams and up to 2 years experience to gain the actuall licence thus makeing any airline pay the tech more
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No definately correct those days off. Are you sure your friends aren't LGW based?
I make a back to back ORD/EWR (not that we do them at VS) about £350. BA also get £180 back to back payment on top of their usual flight pay and allowances.
BTW I have worked for different carriers so do know how we compare and VS crew work harder than any other airlines I have worked for.
I make a back to back ORD/EWR (not that we do them at VS) about £350. BA also get £180 back to back payment on top of their usual flight pay and allowances.
BTW I have worked for different carriers so do know how we compare and VS crew work harder than any other airlines I have worked for.
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FAO Back to Front
For the record. Clubhouse LGW do not earn 20k. They work 4 on 2 off starting at 6am until 1.30pm and are classed as part time! So half all your perks for a clear picture.
Sounds like the job is getting to you with all those complaints, seems like you are struggling to find anything positive to say. Time to move over and let someone else have a turn I say.
For the record. Clubhouse LGW do not earn 20k. They work 4 on 2 off starting at 6am until 1.30pm and are classed as part time! So half all your perks for a clear picture.
Sounds like the job is getting to you with all those complaints, seems like you are struggling to find anything positive to say. Time to move over and let someone else have a turn I say.
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She could even apply for a job at the Virgin clubhouse and get paid around £20k. Not be away from home 3-4 days a week. Not miss out on 1 or 2 nights sleep every week. Not have the associated health problems that come with missing so much sleep. Not have the stress of being potentially 'stood down' each time you go to work if you forgot the answer to SEP and AVMED questions. And not have to work in an unhealthy environment for upto 13hrs at a time.
So could you. No one is forcing you to fly, simple as that and you too could work in the clubhouse.........dont think you would get 20k though unless you did overtime............Your arguement in bold above really has no standing......
She could even apply for a job at the Virgin clubhouse and get paid around £20k. Not be away from home 3-4 days a week. Not miss out on 1 or 2 nights sleep every week. Not have the associated health problems that come with missing so much sleep. Not have the stress of being potentially 'stood down' each time you go to work if you forgot the answer to SEP and AVMED questions. And not have to work in an unhealthy environment for upto 13hrs at a time.
So could you. No one is forcing you to fly, simple as that and you too could work in the clubhouse.........dont think you would get 20k though unless you did overtime............Your arguement in bold above really has no standing......