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well said candypants
Lets hope now management will realise that what was offered was just too riduculous. At the end of the day all any of us want is to be treated fairly and without the ongoing discrimation to all regional staff in comparison to the rest of the QF group. I am so sick and tired of being referred to only being a regional employee. What the hell does that mean anyway?? Last time I looked our contribution to this airline outweighed any other division. Go figure. Still fail to see what it is that is so different to what the crew do on the jets??
All I want for us is that we are treated equally with equal base salary, allowances and DTA. Yeah Yeah I know I'm dreaming but honestly why should we not. If a budget carrier can pay their guys more than us, and operate as a budget carrier what are we then peanuts for the monkeys???
I have worked for mainline as well and I can honestly say I have never worked so hard on a old crappy 100/200 with a full load. Lets face it tell any mainliner what our day entails and they think we are stark raving mad!!!!
I am so proud to be working with such fantastic people at both syd & mel bases. I hope we continue to stick together in fighting for what is ethically right and fair.
I also hope now that this union we all continue to finance gets a wake up and starts doing what it actually is that we are paying them for. I want the union to be the union of old and help to achieve fair working conditions just as they had done for years prior. Lets face it there must have been some grunt in them at once stage otherwise we wouldn't have what we have today. I remember when the long haul crew fought for their rights and the union stood up to the plate then.
congratulations to all who have voted down this eba, and to those of you who did not I'm sure you had your reasons which you are entitled to and nobody has the right to critisise. I hope we all continue to stick together so achieve what at the end of the day should be fair and without prejudice.
Lets hope now management will realise that what was offered was just too riduculous. At the end of the day all any of us want is to be treated fairly and without the ongoing discrimation to all regional staff in comparison to the rest of the QF group. I am so sick and tired of being referred to only being a regional employee. What the hell does that mean anyway?? Last time I looked our contribution to this airline outweighed any other division. Go figure. Still fail to see what it is that is so different to what the crew do on the jets??
All I want for us is that we are treated equally with equal base salary, allowances and DTA. Yeah Yeah I know I'm dreaming but honestly why should we not. If a budget carrier can pay their guys more than us, and operate as a budget carrier what are we then peanuts for the monkeys???
I have worked for mainline as well and I can honestly say I have never worked so hard on a old crappy 100/200 with a full load. Lets face it tell any mainliner what our day entails and they think we are stark raving mad!!!!
I am so proud to be working with such fantastic people at both syd & mel bases. I hope we continue to stick together in fighting for what is ethically right and fair.
I also hope now that this union we all continue to finance gets a wake up and starts doing what it actually is that we are paying them for. I want the union to be the union of old and help to achieve fair working conditions just as they had done for years prior. Lets face it there must have been some grunt in them at once stage otherwise we wouldn't have what we have today. I remember when the long haul crew fought for their rights and the union stood up to the plate then.
congratulations to all who have voted down this eba, and to those of you who did not I'm sure you had your reasons which you are entitled to and nobody has the right to critisise. I hope we all continue to stick together so achieve what at the end of the day should be fair and without prejudice.
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I think its great we're all thinking about what we want the union to get us in the next EBA. I do have to say that I think we should all spend some time considering what we will do to get what we want. Does anyone really think we're going to get anything extra without a fight ??? If so faaaaantastic, but what if DH and NG don't budge, then what ?
I don't think there's much point turning up to another union meeting or filling in another survey if we don't know how far we're willing to go. Its a bit pointless telling the union to go and get us more money or more time off or whatever without being prepared to do something about it ourselves. Remember the union is only as strong as we are, me thinks its time for us to stand up and be counted.
I don't think there's much point turning up to another union meeting or filling in another survey if we don't know how far we're willing to go. Its a bit pointless telling the union to go and get us more money or more time off or whatever without being prepared to do something about it ourselves. Remember the union is only as strong as we are, me thinks its time for us to stand up and be counted.
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I believe we are all adult enough to sit down together and put down on paper a proposal for the union to work with. I dont recall any such mention of ANY striking. This is a LAST RESORT industrial relations tool and need not even be brought up at this stage.
We all have jobs, we are all being paid as per the standing EBA, we are all receiving a yearly bonus, hence there is no reason whatsoever to jump straight into the deep end!
This is a process of negotiation. We dont need to fight with retaliation. It is not a winning situation. I for one would prefer for the company NOT to turn around and spite us with an AWA that we can't say no to.
Thanks for the comments Mr R. Guy (J.T) if you feel strongly and have the passion and IR knowledge to lead such negotiations in the "stand up to be counted" Im sure you would have support. Lets see if anyone puts there money where their mouth is.
We all have jobs, we are all being paid as per the standing EBA, we are all receiving a yearly bonus, hence there is no reason whatsoever to jump straight into the deep end!
This is a process of negotiation. We dont need to fight with retaliation. It is not a winning situation. I for one would prefer for the company NOT to turn around and spite us with an AWA that we can't say no to.
Thanks for the comments Mr R. Guy (J.T) if you feel strongly and have the passion and IR knowledge to lead such negotiations in the "stand up to be counted" Im sure you would have support. Lets see if anyone puts there money where their mouth is.
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Whats happening ppl's...things have quietened down a bit since the EBA was voted down...
Any info on NTL base possibility?
It will be interesting to see what happens when A380 comes to oz land in Oct (career progression wise).
Any info on NTL base possibility?
It will be interesting to see what happens when A380 comes to oz land in Oct (career progression wise).
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Candypants you said earlier.
"At this time we all need to continue to stick together....The storm is coming.."
What are you proposing sticking together to mean ? What are we going to do in the storm ?
"I believe we are all adult enough to sit down together and put down on paper a proposal for the union to work with."
We've done that twice in survey's they have put out.
"This is a process of negotiation"
Yes it is and two years down the track we still don't have a new agreement.
"We all have jobs, we are all being paid as per the standing EBA, we are all receiving a yearly bonus, hence there is no reason whatsoever to jump straight into the deep end!"
The bonus is recognition for the success of the Qantas Group and is a completely separate thing. As for our standing EBA, our last pay rise was 3 years ago...... hardly the deep end in my opinion.
If everyone is happy to keep on keeping on with no changes then so be it, but given all the whinging that goes on, I do think we want changes. What we're prepared to do about getting the changes is where things get messy. It seems you want keep doing what we have been unsuccessfully doing for the last two years, where I'm open minded to our other options. We are not the only two at EAA with differing opinions on this as I'm sure you already know.
"Thanks for the comments Mr R. Guy (J.T)"
I'm not JT but your welcome to my comments anyway..... that's what pprune is for, posting comments.
"At this time we all need to continue to stick together....The storm is coming.."
What are you proposing sticking together to mean ? What are we going to do in the storm ?
"I believe we are all adult enough to sit down together and put down on paper a proposal for the union to work with."
We've done that twice in survey's they have put out.
"This is a process of negotiation"
Yes it is and two years down the track we still don't have a new agreement.
"We all have jobs, we are all being paid as per the standing EBA, we are all receiving a yearly bonus, hence there is no reason whatsoever to jump straight into the deep end!"
The bonus is recognition for the success of the Qantas Group and is a completely separate thing. As for our standing EBA, our last pay rise was 3 years ago...... hardly the deep end in my opinion.
If everyone is happy to keep on keeping on with no changes then so be it, but given all the whinging that goes on, I do think we want changes. What we're prepared to do about getting the changes is where things get messy. It seems you want keep doing what we have been unsuccessfully doing for the last two years, where I'm open minded to our other options. We are not the only two at EAA with differing opinions on this as I'm sure you already know.
"Thanks for the comments Mr R. Guy (J.T)"
I'm not JT but your welcome to my comments anyway..... that's what pprune is for, posting comments.
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short memory
reg, a few months ago you were getting your knickers in a twist over a meeting organized by your Melbourne colleagues, now you say we should "stand up and be counted". isn't that what they were doing then?
ps everyone may be fooled by who you may be, but i've figured it out, GW!
ps everyone may be fooled by who you may be, but i've figured it out, GW!
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Now is the time to be clear and strong and about what is important to us for the next EBA negoitations. We must make it clear WE will not accept anything less than what we are currently working on.
Our current EBA would no doubt have been a hard battle to produce, and even though sometimes we think some of those conditions suck, it's better than what has been offered recently, so we should not accept anything less.
What we want offered is better working conditons, not worse!
We must not accept or allow our management to offer us anything less than what we are currently on. Why should we? We should not be undervalued for doing the same job.
We should not be focusing on what we want to 'give up' but focusing on what we want changed for our advantage. Remember its OUR Flight attendants working conditions we are discussing, not a management's plan or money saving scheme.
For those of you that aren't aware:
16 August 2007: Qantas today announced a record profit before tax of $1,032 million for the year ended 30 June 2007, a 53.8 per cent increase on the prior comparative year to 30 June 2006.
The Chairman of Qantas, Ms Margaret Jackson, said the net profit after tax of $720 million was also a record, and that the company had generated a return above the cost of capital invested in all the businesses.
Isn't it interesting, record profits, yet they claim we need to be more competitive. Yes Qantaslink does need to be more competitive with the recent changes to the aviation industry, but what is an airline industry without change.
Don't be fooled, being more competitive is not about sacraficing Flight Attendants working conditions, it's about the airlines productivity as a whole. Management should be looking at product and service, not about safety and security.
Also, I'm so over the whinging from negative fa's particularly from those been in the industry for a few years. We want you to stop it, we all know its bad, don't you have anything else going in your life you can talk about.
Also in regards to the A380, I heard QF will be hiring or opening bases overseas such as Thai crew, similar to JQI.
Our current EBA would no doubt have been a hard battle to produce, and even though sometimes we think some of those conditions suck, it's better than what has been offered recently, so we should not accept anything less.
What we want offered is better working conditons, not worse!
We must not accept or allow our management to offer us anything less than what we are currently on. Why should we? We should not be undervalued for doing the same job.
We should not be focusing on what we want to 'give up' but focusing on what we want changed for our advantage. Remember its OUR Flight attendants working conditions we are discussing, not a management's plan or money saving scheme.
For those of you that aren't aware:
16 August 2007: Qantas today announced a record profit before tax of $1,032 million for the year ended 30 June 2007, a 53.8 per cent increase on the prior comparative year to 30 June 2006.
The Chairman of Qantas, Ms Margaret Jackson, said the net profit after tax of $720 million was also a record, and that the company had generated a return above the cost of capital invested in all the businesses.
Isn't it interesting, record profits, yet they claim we need to be more competitive.
Yes Qantaslink does need to be more competitive with the recent changes to the aviation industry, but what is an airline industry without change. Don't be fooled, being more competitive is not about sacraficing Flight Attendants working conditions, it's about the airlines productivity as a whole. Management should be looking at product and service, not about safety and security.
Also, I'm so over the whinging from negative fa's particularly from those been in the industry for a few years. We want you to stop it, we all know its bad, don't you have anything else going in your life you can talk about.
Also in regards to the A380, I heard QF will be hiring or opening bases overseas such as Thai crew, similar to JQI.
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lfdlfp you said
reg, a few months ago you were getting your knickers in a twist over a meeting organized by your Melbourne colleagues, now you say we should "stand up and be counted". isn't that what they were doing then?
No actually it wasn't what they were doing then...... well maybe it was what they were trying to do but they didn't really pull that off did they ? Those meetings were bitch session discussions with bad IR advice being touted around by individuals who didn't know what they were talking about. That's why I wanted the union to have meetings in all bases, not just the crew orgainised one in Jan for MEL base only.
ps everyone may be fooled by who you may be, but i've figured it out, GW!
Jesus H Christ are we back at this again ? A childish guessing game of who's who in the zoo ? Poor GW copped it back in Jan from memory, along with BI and god knows who else........ Whatever
reg, a few months ago you were getting your knickers in a twist over a meeting organized by your Melbourne colleagues, now you say we should "stand up and be counted". isn't that what they were doing then?
No actually it wasn't what they were doing then...... well maybe it was what they were trying to do but they didn't really pull that off did they ? Those meetings were bitch session discussions with bad IR advice being touted around by individuals who didn't know what they were talking about. That's why I wanted the union to have meetings in all bases, not just the crew orgainised one in Jan for MEL base only.
ps everyone may be fooled by who you may be, but i've figured it out, GW!
Jesus H Christ are we back at this again ? A childish guessing game of who's who in the zoo ? Poor GW copped it back in Jan from memory, along with BI and god knows who else........ Whatever
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I will premise this by saying that I dont usually waste my time with this site! All the manipulative and incorrect information that is passed on by idiots who clearly cannot read and comprehend documents like an eba is an insult to everybody's intelligence!
To all who voted the eba down, i would like to inform you of what the company is planning to do to counter that..... forget being offered another eba, looks like they will leave us on what we are on currently... but before you cheer, heres the thing -
NTL flying is going back to BNE crew (sucked in MEL)
CFS, PQQ and TMW o/n's will be operated by SSA crew, not EAA crew... SYD crew will all be trained on the 400, starting next roster, we will take over the 400 flying to CBR - bring on the triple CBR's, we will be rostered alot closer to 152 hours than we are currently and the number of overnights will be greatly reduced so the company wont have to worry bout the 13hr/7hr rules.
If you thought things were going to be bad on the proposed eba, at least you were getting money for all the hours worked and had the choice to stop operating at 152 hours - our current eba does not provide for that luxury! More work for same $$$$ or less??? Well done to all those voting no!
To all who voted the eba down, i would like to inform you of what the company is planning to do to counter that..... forget being offered another eba, looks like they will leave us on what we are on currently... but before you cheer, heres the thing -
NTL flying is going back to BNE crew (sucked in MEL)
CFS, PQQ and TMW o/n's will be operated by SSA crew, not EAA crew... SYD crew will all be trained on the 400, starting next roster, we will take over the 400 flying to CBR - bring on the triple CBR's, we will be rostered alot closer to 152 hours than we are currently and the number of overnights will be greatly reduced so the company wont have to worry bout the 13hr/7hr rules.
If you thought things were going to be bad on the proposed eba, at least you were getting money for all the hours worked and had the choice to stop operating at 152 hours - our current eba does not provide for that luxury! More work for same $$$$ or less??? Well done to all those voting no!
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OHHHKKKAAAYYYY!
Well some very interesting info in the last couple of days! For those who voted and made there choice, good for you! Maybe we should have a big think about all those who missed out on part time positions and significant pay rises!
Oh and please dont bother with the guessing game re. who's who! Its getting silly! Okay I will say that I love my job, and look forward to being dashtrash for many years to come! I have come to find that there are some very selfsish people around, and as they say, Karma is a 
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Well some very interesting info in the last couple of days! For those who voted and made there choice, good for you! Maybe we should have a big think about all those who missed out on part time positions and significant pay rises!
Oh and please dont bother with the guessing game re. who's who! Its getting silly! Okay I will say that I love my job, and look forward to being dashtrash for many years to come! I have come to find that there are some very selfsish people around, and as they say, Karma is a !Mouse
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Tea Coffee Me i think your post was rather harsh... scaring people is not what we should be doing we all should be working together. For all of you now is the time to stand together. I know some of you think you missed out on part time and all that but trust me you would be no better off. As for the company taking trips away and all that, they would of had that in the pipelines years ago they have not just decided that in 2 weeks because we voted an eba down. Qantaslink is a very changing company and really i don't think what ever they do we will be disadvantaged we will not just do cbr well i may be wrong but the company wants to make money and only triple cbrs arn't going to do it. I think well done for being a strong bunch of flighties and try and continue to stick together and really try not to slag everyone off we are a great bunch of people and lets just show the company what we are made of.
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"Maybe we should have a big think about all those who missed out on part time positions and significant pay rises!"
Mouse what is there to think about? We have all missed out on significant payrises in our base rate, however we should not have to sacrifice our current conditions just to get an increase which should have been introduced years ago. I don't know what your point is? Please explain!
To be honest, our contract of employment were for full time positions. Be patient if you want part time and wait for the opportunity. Be greatful that there is an opportunity. FYI the rejected EBA did not offer additional part time positions.
It is the same at Sunnies anyway.
Mouse what is there to think about? We have all missed out on significant payrises in our base rate, however we should not have to sacrifice our current conditions just to get an increase which should have been introduced years ago. I don't know what your point is? Please explain!
To be honest, our contract of employment were for full time positions. Be patient if you want part time and wait for the opportunity. Be greatful that there is an opportunity. FYI the rejected EBA did not offer additional part time positions.
It is the same at Sunnies anyway.
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Guys...
Have you heard yourselves carrying on on here? We are supposed to be a professional bunch of people and I like to think most of us are. However you are not coming across this way to the folks who read this thread (yeah I can hear you saying "who cares" etc)...well I for one do care.
What on earth is in the MEL crewroom water? Because I swear some of you guys are totally high on crack.
Whilst we can all hide behind screen names and slag the crap out of people be it our management, union rep or even other crewmembers...this sort of rubbish isnt helpful to morale which we all know is usually at a low.
Hopefully some of the bad ju-ju in SYD will be going over to PER with this next progression batch, we dont need so much negativity in our happy family. When you get over it and you get burnt out, time to move on.
People voted Yes or No for different reasons....but at the end of the day the stronger majority spoke, lets pull our sticky apricot packet coated thumbs out of our asses and start doing something constructive.
Whoever wrote "down with SAA" in the overhead locker on TQT is a bloody tool, for a start SAA is South African Airways...I guess you were wanting to say Sunstate which is SSA. Thanks for making one of our aging 100's even more bombed out than what it already is! This sort of graffiti doesnt help your coworkers one bit.
We have such a great team at EAA, lets not spoil it. Just be glad that we dont have NT in BNE as our manager, the stories I have heard from SSA F/A's are shocking...we have got it good, that chick is NASTY.
LooDrop. xx
P.S...CandyPants...your'e hot.
Have you heard yourselves carrying on on here? We are supposed to be a professional bunch of people and I like to think most of us are. However you are not coming across this way to the folks who read this thread (yeah I can hear you saying "who cares" etc)...well I for one do care.
What on earth is in the MEL crewroom water? Because I swear some of you guys are totally high on crack.
Whilst we can all hide behind screen names and slag the crap out of people be it our management, union rep or even other crewmembers...this sort of rubbish isnt helpful to morale which we all know is usually at a low.
Hopefully some of the bad ju-ju in SYD will be going over to PER with this next progression batch, we dont need so much negativity in our happy family. When you get over it and you get burnt out, time to move on.
People voted Yes or No for different reasons....but at the end of the day the stronger majority spoke, lets pull our sticky apricot packet coated thumbs out of our asses and start doing something constructive.
Whoever wrote "down with SAA" in the overhead locker on TQT is a bloody tool, for a start SAA is South African Airways...I guess you were wanting to say Sunstate which is SSA. Thanks for making one of our aging 100's even more bombed out than what it already is! This sort of graffiti doesnt help your coworkers one bit.
We have such a great team at EAA, lets not spoil it. Just be glad that we dont have NT in BNE as our manager, the stories I have heard from SSA F/A's are shocking...we have got it good, that chick is NASTY.
LooDrop. xx
P.S...CandyPants...your'e hot.
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Hi Ladies,
l have be offered an inverview with Qantaslink in Canberra and would really love some info in the company, any advise, pay info, anything really would help.
Thanks in advance.
l have be offered an inverview with Qantaslink in Canberra and would really love some info in the company, any advise, pay info, anything really would help.
Thanks in advance.
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Firstly I want to apologise if there is a seperate forum for recruitment.
I have been invited to a recruitment day in Sydney on the 12th Sep, all the information about the venue address and what to bring etc. was on the website but because the applications have close you can no longer access that page! I am kicking myself for not printing it off the other day when I was looking at it.
So..... I was wondering if anyone going to the recruitment day could send me the information or if anyone knows if they sent you a confirmation email with all that information in it before the day?
im a bit stressed as I now don't even have an address of the venue just a vague idea of where it is!
thanks guys!
I have been invited to a recruitment day in Sydney on the 12th Sep, all the information about the venue address and what to bring etc. was on the website but because the applications have close you can no longer access that page! I am kicking myself for not printing it off the other day when I was looking at it.
So..... I was wondering if anyone going to the recruitment day could send me the information or if anyone knows if they sent you a confirmation email with all that information in it before the day?
im a bit stressed as I now don't even have an address of the venue just a vague idea of where it is!
thanks guys!
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That exact same thing has happened to me, but my interview is tommororw. I remember the time was 8.45, but thats all i remember, any help on address and what to bring would be very helpful. I think they have made a mistake. im worried now though.
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Ok guys,
What state is your interview in?
Do you not have a contact number?
Without this information I would assume it would be held at an Eastern or Sunstate office at or close to the airport. Arrive at the airport and ask any Qantas staff member in uniform for directions to the Qantaslink office..Explain to whoever is interviewing you the problem you've experienced online.. Hope this helps... If you can give me any more info tonight, I may be able to help further..
What state is your interview in?
Do you not have a contact number?
Without this information I would assume it would be held at an Eastern or Sunstate office at or close to the airport. Arrive at the airport and ask any Qantas staff member in uniform for directions to the Qantaslink office..Explain to whoever is interviewing you the problem you've experienced online.. Hope this helps... If you can give me any more info tonight, I may be able to help further..
