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An interesting rumour
I heard an interesting rumour at work today.... Can anyone confirm or deny?
Apparently KW (a career progressor) is being sued by our old Manager for defamation of character. Apparently he had enough of her slagging him off so he's filed a lawsuit! Personally, I think it's BS but it sounds funny....How funny! I hope it is true, it would be the ultimate payback for that surly blonde.
In regard to our EBA... I also heard that BI is pushing for us to get 50% of the back-pay if we vote 'Yes'. Personally, I don't think it's going to get me across the line, but hey, who can say these days.
Mouse78: Interesting what you were saying about your friend at VB. I actually saw the 'DVD' that they did on the EBA (yes, some companies put out DVD's to their staff to get them to vote!!)... Was an interesting speil.
Anyway, have fun... see u in the skies.
Apparently KW (a career progressor) is being sued by our old Manager for defamation of character. Apparently he had enough of her slagging him off so he's filed a lawsuit! Personally, I think it's BS but it sounds funny....How funny! I hope it is true, it would be the ultimate payback for that surly blonde.
In regard to our EBA... I also heard that BI is pushing for us to get 50% of the back-pay if we vote 'Yes'. Personally, I don't think it's going to get me across the line, but hey, who can say these days.
Mouse78: Interesting what you were saying about your friend at VB. I actually saw the 'DVD' that they did on the EBA (yes, some companies put out DVD's to their staff to get them to vote!!)... Was an interesting speil.
Anyway, have fun... see u in the skies.
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If BI is saying to vote yes, it would be seem to be different to what the union is saying
FAAA Newsletter said
As you are aware, in May this year the Association re-commenced discussions with Management on the proposed EBA.
These discussions included our survey results as to why you initially rejected the Agreement and the views of the Company following their separate road-shows. The Company has determined that a re-vote on the original proposal is appropriate. Members should note that re-submitting the Agreement for your further consideration is open to the employer. In addition, by way of correspondence, the following commitments to Eastern crew have been made, via correspondence to your Association. While we are confident that Eastern will honour these commitments, in exercising your right to vote it should be noted that these matters do not form part of the Agreement.
$750.00 Sign On bonus if the Agreement returns a Yes vote
Continuation of 4 roster requests per roster period
Opportunity for paired flying arrangements
Ability to request additional duties
Confirmation of not being required to sign on twice in one day
Home based rest rostered at minimum 11 hours but may reduce to 9 hours if delayed
Length of duty following an overnight will be rostered to max 10 hours but can extend with delays to 12 hours
Crew will not fly more than 30 flying hours in a 7 day period and no more than 100 flying hours in a 30 day period
(Note flying ours are chocks to chocks)
Continuation of JCC meetings with Association representatives
It is now over to you. The Association asks that all Eastern Flight Attendant’s take advantage of this opportunity and cast a vote, indicating your acceptance or otherwise of the Agreement before you.
Should the vote be returned in the negative, your Association representatives will call meetings of all members to discuss and consider the next step.
Their definately getting a NO vote from me !!!!
FAAA Newsletter said
As you are aware, in May this year the Association re-commenced discussions with Management on the proposed EBA.
These discussions included our survey results as to why you initially rejected the Agreement and the views of the Company following their separate road-shows. The Company has determined that a re-vote on the original proposal is appropriate. Members should note that re-submitting the Agreement for your further consideration is open to the employer. In addition, by way of correspondence, the following commitments to Eastern crew have been made, via correspondence to your Association. While we are confident that Eastern will honour these commitments, in exercising your right to vote it should be noted that these matters do not form part of the Agreement.
$750.00 Sign On bonus if the Agreement returns a Yes vote
Continuation of 4 roster requests per roster period
Opportunity for paired flying arrangements
Ability to request additional duties
Confirmation of not being required to sign on twice in one day
Home based rest rostered at minimum 11 hours but may reduce to 9 hours if delayed
Length of duty following an overnight will be rostered to max 10 hours but can extend with delays to 12 hours
Crew will not fly more than 30 flying hours in a 7 day period and no more than 100 flying hours in a 30 day period
(Note flying ours are chocks to chocks)
Continuation of JCC meetings with Association representatives
It is now over to you. The Association asks that all Eastern Flight Attendant’s take advantage of this opportunity and cast a vote, indicating your acceptance or otherwise of the Agreement before you.
Should the vote be returned in the negative, your Association representatives will call meetings of all members to discuss and consider the next step.
Their definately getting a NO vote from me !!!!
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We all know that rumors half the time are just that! In two minds about the whole thing! And what really sucks is the fact that, in 12 months, IF we vote yes, we will commence negotiation another EBA! 
I'm very confused about the whole thing! But I think NG is right when she said, we all have to have a really big think, on our own terms!
We work hard! And odds on, we will work even harder under a new EBA!
Scary times guys! We need to remember that if VB bring in the Ejets, we could be in some big trouble! Especially in VIC! How could we compete in a DHC 100!
Keep smiling!
I'm very confused about the whole thing! But I think NG is right when she said, we all have to have a really big think, on our own terms!
We work hard! And odds on, we will work even harder under a new EBA!
Scary times guys! We need to remember that if VB bring in the Ejets, we could be in some big trouble! Especially in VIC! How could we compete in a DHC 100!
Keep smiling!
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Do you actually believe all that crap about being competitive?
Qantas dominates the industry! To be competitive, they need to look at boosting revenue and making profits, not by sucking dry the QANTASLINK flight attendants. Isn't our jobs bad and hard enough working minimum rest, on old aircrafts that are always breaking down and delaying us, working by ourselves, no trolleys, running up and back to the galley ever 2 seconds, we get no meals, and no breaks!
Then you hear how DH and NG want us to work our 152 hours. Well friends at Jetstar and Virgin do the same, the are always working upto MAX hours. And you know what, they get burnt out. They're cabin crew have an expectancy of about 3 years then they resign because are too burnt out. The same is going to happen to us!
Seriously, for those that are even considering voting yes, think twice about it, You have no idea about what changes are going to happen. You might think "yeah the pay is good and im helping the airline be more competitive, but think long term, think about our pilots rosters, and that we will be matching them, or if anything ours will be worse, because they can draft us without having to utilise reserves and we can be extended to work more hours! Also when was the last time the company did anything good for you, if you are doing the company a favour by making them more competitive what are they doing for you besides keeping your job? Also not to mention that the country is at a point where we have so many jobs available to us.
Qantas dominates the industry! To be competitive, they need to look at boosting revenue and making profits, not by sucking dry the QANTASLINK flight attendants. Isn't our jobs bad and hard enough working minimum rest, on old aircrafts that are always breaking down and delaying us, working by ourselves, no trolleys, running up and back to the galley ever 2 seconds, we get no meals, and no breaks!
Then you hear how DH and NG want us to work our 152 hours. Well friends at Jetstar and Virgin do the same, the are always working upto MAX hours. And you know what, they get burnt out. They're cabin crew have an expectancy of about 3 years then they resign because are too burnt out. The same is going to happen to us!
Seriously, for those that are even considering voting yes, think twice about it, You have no idea about what changes are going to happen. You might think "yeah the pay is good and im helping the airline be more competitive, but think long term, think about our pilots rosters, and that we will be matching them, or if anything ours will be worse, because they can draft us without having to utilise reserves and we can be extended to work more hours! Also when was the last time the company did anything good for you, if you are doing the company a favour by making them more competitive what are they doing for you besides keeping your job? Also not to mention that the country is at a point where we have so many jobs available to us.
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^^^^ Couldn't agree more FA1 well said! Those EBA discussions are just trying to brain wash us into agreeing. It is increasingly obvious that the EBA offered is a joke and borders on being offensive. 
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Flying Fatigued - Are they Kidding ?
For those of you that don't know, one of our colleagues and two techies were stood down for 4 weeks, yeah thats right 4 weeks for being fatigued and flying ! NG and TMcG have given her a formal warning for it. - This is no rumour it is a FACT.
Ask yourself this: If they're really concerned about fatigue and us flying with it, why are they asking us to increase day 2 hours after an o/nite and reduce our rest in home base ?
They're hypocritical and they're bullies.
Ask yourself this: If they're really concerned about fatigue and us flying with it, why are they asking us to increase day 2 hours after an o/nite and reduce our rest in home base ?
They're hypocritical and they're bullies.
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FA1 you need to check your facts on your post regarding JQ & DJ, the hours you quoted are well out for at least one of those airlines, I can guarentee you that the average duty hours for one of those airlines you quoted is well, well, well below 152, nor is there any 3 year burnout period.
You also need to have a real think about the "Qantas dominates the industry" comment - if you truely believe that you are probably just as out of the loop as the people who want you to vote on the same EBA all over again - times are changin'!
And before you launch into a consipracy theory, I don't work for EAA but just thought it was worth people seeing a more realistic view!
Good luck with the EBA!
You also need to have a real think about the "Qantas dominates the industry" comment - if you truely believe that you are probably just as out of the loop as the people who want you to vote on the same EBA all over again - times are changin'!
And before you launch into a consipracy theory, I don't work for EAA but just thought it was worth people seeing a more realistic view!
Good luck with the EBA!
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Pleae read my comment again. I said DJ and JQ "are always working up to MAX hours".
No comment was made on how many hours they do.
I said they do MAX hours. Which is between 130-140hours which is about 20 hours less than what is expected of us under the proposed agreement.
Qantas Groupe dominates Australian Aviation. They may not be the best airline but they are by far the most dominating.
No comment was made on how many hours they do.
I said they do MAX hours. Which is between 130-140hours which is about 20 hours less than what is expected of us under the proposed agreement.
Qantas Groupe dominates Australian Aviation. They may not be the best airline but they are by far the most dominating.
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Sigh!....
Another Australian thread where some of the contributors appear unfamiliar with the idea that it is possible to hold a discussion with somebody holding a different view without resorting to petty abuse and childish name-calling. Look no further than the absence of QF Cabin Crew discussions in this forum to see the results of prolonged bickering.
I'll make it simple: Keep this discussion thread courteous or you will get banned from PPRuNe and the thread will be closed.
Another Australian thread where some of the contributors appear unfamiliar with the idea that it is possible to hold a discussion with somebody holding a different view without resorting to petty abuse and childish name-calling. Look no further than the absence of QF Cabin Crew discussions in this forum to see the results of prolonged bickering.
I'll make it simple: Keep this discussion thread courteous or you will get banned from PPRuNe and the thread will be closed.
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Thank you tightslot! I believe that people are getting far to emotional about the whole eba thing! I'm going through some tough stuff right now, and EEA are being awsome! I love my job, and respect those senior to me! That is something I have learned over the years. FA1, I understand your anger, but remember there are those who do have a differing opinion. I can say that I have seen both SSA & DJ rosters, and they are not scarey! As I said to all before, take the time and have a good read of the eba cover to cover! And then, and only then make your final decision, without prejiduce (?) spelling???
Cheers,
Mouse
Cheers,
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GalleyHag,
They worked the first leg back to MEL from an overnight then got off (fatigued), with two legs to go. Company stance was they shouldn't have operated at all. If they had done that, the a/c and pax would have been stuck right where it was. God forbid someone (NG or TMcG) realise they did the right thing and got the a/c back to a base where more crew were available to operate the other two legs !!!
I guess its a lesson learned for EAA crew, if your fatigued, just get off and don't give a toss about the schedule, pax or company reputation. Doing the right thing just gets you disicplined and a letter of warning.
They worked the first leg back to MEL from an overnight then got off (fatigued), with two legs to go. Company stance was they shouldn't have operated at all. If they had done that, the a/c and pax would have been stuck right where it was. God forbid someone (NG or TMcG) realise they did the right thing and got the a/c back to a base where more crew were available to operate the other two legs !!!
I guess its a lesson learned for EAA crew, if your fatigued, just get off and don't give a toss about the schedule, pax or company reputation. Doing the right thing just gets you disicplined and a letter of warning.
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I was stating facts not anger. Mouse I'm dissapointed with what you have to say, "I love my job, and respect those senior to me!" Seniority doesn't exist at EAA. It is time to get over your rank and treat everyone equally.
And I've read the EBA from cover to cover, and no I don't see why I should vote it in. If your going to vote it in then why bother paying union fees? The FAAA worked hard to get us those conditions in the current EBA, that was fees that was worth paying. If you accept these new conditions then what a waste of money and time it was fighting for the current EBA.
And I've read the EBA from cover to cover, and no I don't see why I should vote it in. If your going to vote it in then why bother paying union fees? The FAAA worked hard to get us those conditions in the current EBA, that was fees that was worth paying. If you accept these new conditions then what a waste of money and time it was fighting for the current EBA.
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Obviously OVERHERE you don't work for EAA. Read my comment again. I said DJ and JQ "are always working upto MAX hours". I did not comment on how many hours they do, I said they do MAX hours! Which is between 130-140hours which is about 20hours less than what is expected of us under the proposed agreement.
And yes, everyone knows Qantas Groupe dominates Australian Aviation. Don't be such a d*#khead to disagree with that. They may not be the best airline but they are by far the most dominating.
And yes, everyone knows Qantas Groupe dominates Australian Aviation. Don't be such a d*#khead to disagree with that. They may not be the best airline but they are by far the most dominating.
And I do disagree, Qantas load factors regionally, domestically & internationally are decreasing with enhanced competition - both from the low cost and high yield carriers. In turn load factors of major competitors (Rex/Skywest/Virgin Blue/Emirates etc) all all increasing on major QF routes. Add into this, during the next 12 months Tiger will start flying on high yield domestic trunk routes & Virgin Blue will have a fleet of Regional Jets that can operate into a majortiy of QF's regional airports, with greatly enhanced passenger comfort and flight times. Further Virgin will probably launch a international service on one of QF's 3 most profitable routes. Qantas's main domestic competitor will have a greatly increased regional & international feeder market before you know it.
Meanwhile, while Tiger, Virgin, Emirates etc are all have low base costs and new fleets, Qantas has an exceptionally high cost base, an aging fleet near replacement and an endless list of industrial/union challenges.
You don't dominate a market simply by having the most capacity - you dominate it by continued growth/market share, introducing innovative products, having high RPSK by having low cost/high yield and having engaged staff that provide high levels of customer service. QF doesn't have any of this. Just because you're the biggest, doesn't mean your the best/most successful or the dominator (just ask United, AA, BA or any of the high cost carriers that have bust since Sept11). I know it's hard to see the full picture sometimes as crew, but it's important for crew to note the changing dynamics.
Finally I'm continually embarrassed to work in the Australian airline industry when I read this board - especially the QF threads. The fact you had to call me names instead of enter an adult conversation with me clearly demostrates the continued downturn of the quality of people we employ within the industry. As people that are employed to provide exceptional customer service everyday, you'd think that you'd be able to have civil conversations online. I've been through multiple EBA votes in my time and never have I had to swear at people, intimidate them or even raise my voice at them to communicate the positives & negatives. While EBA's can be emotional times, there's still a need to maintain some professional dignity & adult behaviour - when you get on this forum and slag people off and speak in the way you do, you reflect poorly on the entire EAA team. I hope you take this as the constructive feedback it's meant to be and not an attack.
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Thanks Overhere
But now back to Eastern and the EBA issue. I am a bit worried that it will go through - which means I'll have to give up my other job - which means I lose alot of money and be pretty, well lets face, it drained.
Okay right now money isn't the best, but I really enjoy the job itself and the lifestyle it presents, I still get to socialise with friends and work another job and work at Eastern which I love also.
But now back to Eastern and the EBA issue. I am a bit worried that it will go through - which means I'll have to give up my other job - which means I lose alot of money and be pretty, well lets face, it drained.
Okay right now money isn't the best, but I really enjoy the job itself and the lifestyle it presents, I still get to socialise with friends and work another job and work at Eastern which I love also.
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Eea Eba
***Good work to all on the unsuccessful EBA result.***
Surprise Surprise, it does not cease to amaze me that once again, an inferior offer of wages and conditions has been passed up by crew. Maybe this time our union will prove to work a little closer for OUR interests and at least have the decency to ask their PAYING members..(those paying their wages) exactly what is a fair and reasonable compromise for a much needed pay increase.
I am rather insulted that our company has the gaul to reproduce a very similar document and expect a yes vote..Has the union approached anyone for their views or ideas on what we are looking to achieve?
This is merely a question - if this has been done then good work... I seem to think it has not (not by majority) - or else the company would be aware well in advance that this was still not acceptable.
I am surprised to have been asked once in 4yrs what i might be interested in changing in our EBA. This is NOT satisfactory, we need to have more input. This is our career, our wage, and our lifestyle.
An expression from my point of view (and this may be mine only...), but I happen to love my job. I love those of you I have the opportunity to work with on a daily basis (ok, that may be stretching it..most of you
and lets face it, none of us are Eastern flight attendants to make money.. If that was the case, we would be CS's for VB.
I believe that "WE" as a group are interested in both 'fair' and 'equitable' wages and conditions, and this is something that we need to working closely with MANAGEMENT and the FAAA in close consultation with all crew members in order to come to an acceptable compromise. This should have been done the FIRST time. At this time we all need to continue to stick together....The storm is coming..
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P.s - Being led requires the judgement and skills of a good LEADER. What a shame the Melbourne FAAA union rep has been discarded and not replaced?
Surprise Surprise, it does not cease to amaze me that once again, an inferior offer of wages and conditions has been passed up by crew. Maybe this time our union will prove to work a little closer for OUR interests and at least have the decency to ask their PAYING members..(those paying their wages) exactly what is a fair and reasonable compromise for a much needed pay increase.
I am rather insulted that our company has the gaul to reproduce a very similar document and expect a yes vote..Has the union approached anyone for their views or ideas on what we are looking to achieve?
This is merely a question - if this has been done then good work... I seem to think it has not (not by majority) - or else the company would be aware well in advance that this was still not acceptable.
I am surprised to have been asked once in 4yrs what i might be interested in changing in our EBA. This is NOT satisfactory, we need to have more input. This is our career, our wage, and our lifestyle.
An expression from my point of view (and this may be mine only...), but I happen to love my job. I love those of you I have the opportunity to work with on a daily basis (ok, that may be stretching it..most of you
and lets face it, none of us are Eastern flight attendants to make money.. If that was the case, we would be CS's for VB. I believe that "WE" as a group are interested in both 'fair' and 'equitable' wages and conditions, and this is something that we need to working closely with MANAGEMENT and the FAAA in close consultation with all crew members in order to come to an acceptable compromise. This should have been done the FIRST time. At this time we all need to continue to stick together....The storm is coming..
xx
P.s - Being led requires the judgement and skills of a good LEADER. What a shame the Melbourne FAAA union rep has been discarded and not replaced?