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Re: Gloating Vultures
I don't think pointing out a post stating "NRT is now ours" was gloating. Infact, most of us are not really interested in flying there anyway.
Singling one poster out and incinuating that is the reason for a lack of united front is certainly not productive either.
In terms of the MAM casuals - yeah, I agree there should be a cap. The company now knows they can fill SH flying with casuals who will bow to their every whim.
Let me just point out, the majority of casuals I fly with (which seem to out number the rest of us these days) are good, switched on crew. There is good and bad everywhere, but lets not take it out the individuals. Afterall, who made the decision to employ outsourced casuals in the first place? Thats where the energy should be directed.
Singling one poster out and incinuating that is the reason for a lack of united front is certainly not productive either.
In terms of the MAM casuals - yeah, I agree there should be a cap. The company now knows they can fill SH flying with casuals who will bow to their every whim.
Let me just point out, the majority of casuals I fly with (which seem to out number the rest of us these days) are good, switched on crew. There is good and bad everywhere, but lets not take it out the individuals. Afterall, who made the decision to employ outsourced casuals in the first place? Thats where the energy should be directed.
Now this is service !!!!
http://www.news.com.au/sundaytelegra...001021,00.html
A QANTAS flight attendant faces the sack after being accused of having sex with British actor Ralph Fiennes in an aircraft toilet while flying from Australia to India.
Sydney-based Lisa Robertson, 38, met the star of The English Patient while working in the business-class cabin on flight QF 123 from Darwin to Mumbai on January 24.
In a confidential report to Qantas management obtained by The Sunday Telegraph, Ms Robertson is accused of chatting to Fiennes during the flight and being seen exiting the same toilet moments apart.
She claims Fiennes, 44, became "amorous'' towards her in the toilet.
Ms Robertson declined to comment when contacted by The Sunday Telegraph.
Qantas staff who were aware of the incident said last night the couple were caught after crew members waited outside the toilet.
In a statement lodged with her employer, Ms Robertson denied the allegations.
The statement was presented at a meeting on Thursday between Ms Robertson, the Flight Attendants' Association, Qantas and airline services contractor Morris Alexander Management.
At the meeting Qantas representatives accused Ms Robertson of having sex with Fiennes.
Ms Robertson has been suspended without pay.
Fiennes had been in Australia to perform at the Sydney Festival before travelling to India.
Details of Ms Robertson's alleged encounter with Fiennes are contained in her statement to Qantas management.
It shows she has been accused of two breaches of the company's corporate and cabin-crew policies.
The first breach relates to Fiennes allegedly sitting in a crew jump seat while chatting to Ms Robertson during her rest break.
The second relates to Ms Robertson and the actor being seen leaving the same toilet.
They were allegedly spotted by two crew members, who told the flight's customer-services manager.
"While conversing with Mr Fiennes during my break, I expressed a need to go to the toilet,'' Ms Robertson said in her statement.
"I went to the nearby toilet and entered it, he followed me and entered the same toilet.
"I explained to him that this was inappropriate and asked him to leave. Mr Fiennes became amorous towards me and, after a short period of time, I convinced him to leave the toilet, which he did.
"I left the toilet a short time later. At no time did any crew member come to my assistance.
"At no time were any other customers aware of this incident. At no time did I put the Qantas name or reputation in jeopardy.''
In her statement, Ms Robertson admitted that Fiennes had visited her in the crew rest area during her break to chat.
She also admitted having several conversations with the actor throughout the flight, but said she was simply doing her job.
"This is common practice on long flights to build a rapport with passengers and converse with them during the flight,'' Ms Robertson said in her statement.
According to her statement, Ms Robertson was a police officer for 14 years before joining Qantas in September, 2004.
She said she had been repeatedly commended for her service as a flight attendant.
The Flight Attendants' Association of Australia did not return calls.
A Qantas spokesman said: "All we can do is confirm that a flight attendant was stood down following an onboard incident.''
He refused to comment on whether this incident involved Fiennes, citing passenger privacy.
A copy of the flight manifest obtained by The Sunday Telegraph confirmed Fiennes was on board the flight on January 24. He occupied seat 2K in business class.
A QANTAS flight attendant faces the sack after being accused of having sex with British actor Ralph Fiennes in an aircraft toilet while flying from Australia to India.
Sydney-based Lisa Robertson, 38, met the star of The English Patient while working in the business-class cabin on flight QF 123 from Darwin to Mumbai on January 24.
In a confidential report to Qantas management obtained by The Sunday Telegraph, Ms Robertson is accused of chatting to Fiennes during the flight and being seen exiting the same toilet moments apart.
She claims Fiennes, 44, became "amorous'' towards her in the toilet.
Ms Robertson declined to comment when contacted by The Sunday Telegraph.
Qantas staff who were aware of the incident said last night the couple were caught after crew members waited outside the toilet.
In a statement lodged with her employer, Ms Robertson denied the allegations.
The statement was presented at a meeting on Thursday between Ms Robertson, the Flight Attendants' Association, Qantas and airline services contractor Morris Alexander Management.
At the meeting Qantas representatives accused Ms Robertson of having sex with Fiennes.
Ms Robertson has been suspended without pay.
Fiennes had been in Australia to perform at the Sydney Festival before travelling to India.
Details of Ms Robertson's alleged encounter with Fiennes are contained in her statement to Qantas management.
It shows she has been accused of two breaches of the company's corporate and cabin-crew policies.
The first breach relates to Fiennes allegedly sitting in a crew jump seat while chatting to Ms Robertson during her rest break.
The second relates to Ms Robertson and the actor being seen leaving the same toilet.
They were allegedly spotted by two crew members, who told the flight's customer-services manager.
"While conversing with Mr Fiennes during my break, I expressed a need to go to the toilet,'' Ms Robertson said in her statement.
"I went to the nearby toilet and entered it, he followed me and entered the same toilet.
"I explained to him that this was inappropriate and asked him to leave. Mr Fiennes became amorous towards me and, after a short period of time, I convinced him to leave the toilet, which he did.
"I left the toilet a short time later. At no time did any crew member come to my assistance.
"At no time were any other customers aware of this incident. At no time did I put the Qantas name or reputation in jeopardy.''
In her statement, Ms Robertson admitted that Fiennes had visited her in the crew rest area during her break to chat.
She also admitted having several conversations with the actor throughout the flight, but said she was simply doing her job.
"This is common practice on long flights to build a rapport with passengers and converse with them during the flight,'' Ms Robertson said in her statement.
According to her statement, Ms Robertson was a police officer for 14 years before joining Qantas in September, 2004.
She said she had been repeatedly commended for her service as a flight attendant.
The Flight Attendants' Association of Australia did not return calls.
A Qantas spokesman said: "All we can do is confirm that a flight attendant was stood down following an onboard incident.''
He refused to comment on whether this incident involved Fiennes, citing passenger privacy.
A copy of the flight manifest obtained by The Sunday Telegraph confirmed Fiennes was on board the flight on January 24. He occupied seat 2K in business class.
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75 per cent roster trial
Have just seen on the webcentral site that Sydney based LH CSS, BFA & FAs are being offered a trial in BP250 of doing a 75 per cent roster. If you're interested check it out but you'll need to be quick as applications have to be in by 5pm Monday 12 Feb.....nice of the Tarantula to give us so much time to consider it!!! 
PS.....check Schindlers List for Ms. Robertsons phone number
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Hey Twiggs ,I saw you post the news about standby's so what do you think about the idea of doing at least 29 days of standby's and not using leave to get out of them?
I can't believe on todays news about the mam/sh cabin crew and the lengths they will go to so they get our flying.I reckon that if she was helping out down the back she would not have had time to go to the brasco let alone sit down with ralph or whatever.
whatever but it does sound as like the good old days doesn't it and the sportsmans bar.Maybe we can get the company to put one in every new aircraft and we can go back to the old days of customer service.
They were a lot of fun anyway does anyone remember dropping the silver salva or a can of soda water down there and lifting up the escape hatch in the ailse in the middle of the night and asking some old lady if this was the qf 1.
I can't believe on todays news about the mam/sh cabin crew and the lengths they will go to so they get our flying.I reckon that if she was helping out down the back she would not have had time to go to the brasco let alone sit down with ralph or whatever.
whatever but it does sound as like the good old days doesn't it and the sportsmans bar.Maybe we can get the company to put one in every new aircraft and we can go back to the old days of customer service.
They were a lot of fun anyway does anyone remember dropping the silver salva or a can of soda water down there and lifting up the escape hatch in the ailse in the middle of the night and asking some old lady if this was the qf 1.
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The Thing from the LLG
Ahhhh........good one wolfman!! There's a great story from the GODs of an FSD & FA geeing up a lovely old lady sitting opposite the hatch and enjoying a cup of tea. As she was finishing her cup the FSD asked if she'd like another, after receiving a yes he stamped on the floor twice and up came the hatch with the palm of a hand holding a fresh cup of tea, "Thank you Thing" said the FSD before passing the cup onto a startled but thoroughy amused lady!!!........sure were the good old days............. before the fun police arrived 
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11 February 2007
Attention All Sydney Based Long Haul Cabin Crew who live very very very and I mean VERY close to the Jetbase or know someone.
75% rostering trial in BP250
In our effort to investigate alternatives to provide flexibility for Long Haul Cabin Crew, the Association has agreed in principle and with no bias or prejudice ,or benefit to the union with the Company to trial a 75% roster in BP250 for Sydney based Flight Attendants, Business First FA and CSS.
Members wishing to participate in this trial for BP250 will need to submit an expression of interest form to the Company by 7.30 am Sunday 11 February EST that is the same day as this is posted.
This means that unless you live within 5 km’s of the jetbase or are an elected official of the FAAA or got home from a trip early on Sunday morning and had a laptop with wireless on the crew bus or knew about this in advance because you suck up….sorry work sometimes in the office …you basically have no chance of applying .
In real terms this concept is so good that the company and the FAAA have decided to limit the number of crew that can apply.Basically that means that 99.99% of crew have no chance and oh well suck eggs then….
This was deliberately done on a Sunday...The FAAA in conjuction with the company will continue to bring you innovations in your work place that will enable you to more enjoy your career...if you find out about them in time ...
Crew can download pdf files here…
Temporary 75% Roster initial idea from Tarantula
Temporary 75% Roster revised idea from Tarantula and Lurch both trying to impress Lusley Grunt.
Temporary 75% Roster revised revision from anyone else in QCC who does not like cabin crew
Temporary 75% Roster partial revision completely overhauled by Darth so as to make sure cabin crew are done over
Temporary 75% Roster EOI Final revision with so many hidden clauses and loopholes that you would need a QC to examine.
Temporary 75% Roster information sheet with more questions than answers.
To those who are gullible this is a send up and is intended to have a shot at the company and the FAAA for giving crew little or no chance to apply for this offer……Thanks guys
Attention All Sydney Based Long Haul Cabin Crew who live very very very and I mean VERY close to the Jetbase or know someone.
75% rostering trial in BP250
In our effort to investigate alternatives to provide flexibility for Long Haul Cabin Crew, the Association has agreed in principle and with no bias or prejudice ,or benefit to the union with the Company to trial a 75% roster in BP250 for Sydney based Flight Attendants, Business First FA and CSS.
Members wishing to participate in this trial for BP250 will need to submit an expression of interest form to the Company by 7.30 am Sunday 11 February EST that is the same day as this is posted.
This means that unless you live within 5 km’s of the jetbase or are an elected official of the FAAA or got home from a trip early on Sunday morning and had a laptop with wireless on the crew bus or knew about this in advance because you suck up….sorry work sometimes in the office …you basically have no chance of applying .
In real terms this concept is so good that the company and the FAAA have decided to limit the number of crew that can apply.Basically that means that 99.99% of crew have no chance and oh well suck eggs then….
This was deliberately done on a Sunday...The FAAA in conjuction with the company will continue to bring you innovations in your work place that will enable you to more enjoy your career...if you find out about them in time ...
Crew can download pdf files here…
Temporary 75% Roster initial idea from Tarantula
Temporary 75% Roster revised idea from Tarantula and Lurch both trying to impress Lusley Grunt.
Temporary 75% Roster revised revision from anyone else in QCC who does not like cabin crew
Temporary 75% Roster partial revision completely overhauled by Darth so as to make sure cabin crew are done over
Temporary 75% Roster EOI Final revision with so many hidden clauses and loopholes that you would need a QC to examine.
Temporary 75% Roster information sheet with more questions than answers.
To those who are gullible this is a send up and is intended to have a shot at the company and the FAAA for giving crew little or no chance to apply for this offer……Thanks guys
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RE 75 Percent Roster
Please dont have a go at the FAAA over this one....they only found out about it yesterday and whilst the company have contacted crew upline, they have limited ability in fact none, to contact crew other than via mail.
The FAAA it would appear have at least attempted to get the info to their members even if non members wont know.
It would also appear that the approval for the trial was only given on Saturday and rather than wait another two months before starting the trial the company made a decision to try and give some crew a chance to start in the next bid period.
Dissappointing i realise for those that might otherwise like to consider it in a more timely manner or at least try it at all....but if some crew try it and it works then it might form the basis of some conditions in the next EBA..the jury is out....lets wait and see..
If you are going to critisise anyone then it would seem that clearly some other than those 5k's from mascot know about it...Lowerlobe i would assume as an FAAA member you have now two days to make up your mind whther its suits you...
Be critical of the lack of notice..totally agreed...but at least not the concept
The FAAA it would appear have at least attempted to get the info to their members even if non members wont know.
It would also appear that the approval for the trial was only given on Saturday and rather than wait another two months before starting the trial the company made a decision to try and give some crew a chance to start in the next bid period.
Dissappointing i realise for those that might otherwise like to consider it in a more timely manner or at least try it at all....but if some crew try it and it works then it might form the basis of some conditions in the next EBA..the jury is out....lets wait and see..
If you are going to critisise anyone then it would seem that clearly some other than those 5k's from mascot know about it...Lowerlobe i would assume as an FAAA member you have now two days to make up your mind whther its suits you...
Be critical of the lack of notice..totally agreed...but at least not the concept
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Crew connect-farce
Here is yet ANOTHER example of the "Kylie inspired" initiative in 2004 called CREW CONNECT.
Remember all the hype and propaganda we were fed at the time.
A more "in touch" management team.
Yeah right!
This current bunch of "shelf packers" and "has beens" have not contributed one eye-O-Ta to the wellbeing of crew.
This latest example of giving us 24hours notice on the 75% BP just tops it off.Haven't the goons worked out that we come and go for short and long periods of time???
We need a minimum of 14 days notice.
My Team Leader said to me last week after I had just finished a PER return, if we could sit down together for 30 mins and go through my DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
Naturally, my reply was :"Look buddy I'm 41 years old, I've travelled the world for the best part of my life, I've got a couple of kids and a mortgage........my PLAN is to save enough money so that I get live comfortably in retirement........Kabish !!!!"
....and walked out. If he wants a QF Development Plan-he can pay me for it
Remember all the hype and propaganda we were fed at the time.
A more "in touch" management team.
Yeah right!
This current bunch of "shelf packers" and "has beens" have not contributed one eye-O-Ta to the wellbeing of crew.
This latest example of giving us 24hours notice on the 75% BP just tops it off.Haven't the goons worked out that we come and go for short and long periods of time???
We need a minimum of 14 days notice.
My Team Leader said to me last week after I had just finished a PER return, if we could sit down together for 30 mins and go through my DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
Naturally, my reply was :"Look buddy I'm 41 years old, I've travelled the world for the best part of my life, I've got a couple of kids and a mortgage........my PLAN is to save enough money so that I get live comfortably in retirement........Kabish !!!!"
....and walked out. If he wants a QF Development Plan-he can pay me for it
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Pegasus...My sarcasm was directed at both the FAAA and the company.If the union only found out about it on Saturday then it should have said so in the newsletter and expressed it's regret at the company's action.
It does no good at all to have officials spend time on a radio station and sound like they are giving the company a good rap.I bumped into a retired chief the other day and he heard the interview with Steven as well.He could not believe that Steve sounded more like a company rep than a union official.
The bottom line is that we are used to the company and their total disregard for us but you guy's ...sorry the FAAA have to be a bit more agressive.
It does no good at all to have officials spend time on a radio station and sound like they are giving the company a good rap.I bumped into a retired chief the other day and he heard the interview with Steven as well.He could not believe that Steve sounded more like a company rep than a union official.
The bottom line is that we are used to the company and their total disregard for us but you guy's ...sorry the FAAA have to be a bit more agressive.
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The FAAA's issue with the IFE is and will continue to be the affect on the crew.
The reliability issues are well known. It is not in the FAAA's interests to turn passengers off travelling with Qantas. That would not be in the interests of job security.
But as speedbirdhouse pointed out in another post the FAAA - International Division has commented publicy on a range of issues in relation to IFE and the effects on the crew.
When being interviewed on live radio its not in the interests of FAAA members to be seen to be bagging the **** out of Qantas and the IFE that passengers travel with someone else. I thought it was fairly balanced and the FAAA has some credibility with the members for raising this issue.
I note that the Domestic division dont send out newsletters or comment publicly on anything at all. Look at their website, if in doubt.
Wait till you see what comes out of the FAAA raising this issue both publicly and with the company in terms of what things are put in place for crew to help deal with the issues facing crew.
The FAAA cannot fix the IFE or convince Qantas to spend 100 million to replace it but they publicly speak to the stress that it places on crew.
Anyone that wants to suggest what the FAAA should be saying publicly on this issue should have regard to a range of flow on effects.
Or they could just do what the domestic division does...NOTHING about ANYTHING
The reliability issues are well known. It is not in the FAAA's interests to turn passengers off travelling with Qantas. That would not be in the interests of job security.
But as speedbirdhouse pointed out in another post the FAAA - International Division has commented publicy on a range of issues in relation to IFE and the effects on the crew.
When being interviewed on live radio its not in the interests of FAAA members to be seen to be bagging the **** out of Qantas and the IFE that passengers travel with someone else. I thought it was fairly balanced and the FAAA has some credibility with the members for raising this issue.
I note that the Domestic division dont send out newsletters or comment publicly on anything at all. Look at their website, if in doubt.
Wait till you see what comes out of the FAAA raising this issue both publicly and with the company in terms of what things are put in place for crew to help deal with the issues facing crew.
The FAAA cannot fix the IFE or convince Qantas to spend 100 million to replace it but they publicly speak to the stress that it places on crew.
Anyone that wants to suggest what the FAAA should be saying publicly on this issue should have regard to a range of flow on effects.
Or they could just do what the domestic division does...NOTHING about ANYTHING
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In fairness to those who post on here though, they wouldnt be aware that the bureacracy at qantas is quite incredible and the number of hands something must go throught to reach a decision is quite mind boggling.
Rarely is any notice given by qantas to flight attendants or the FAAA about anything. I dont think that's because of design merely because of utter and complete incompetence.
The decision making power is held so high that John Borghetti has to sign off a duty travel ticket for a manager to fly to melbourne for a meeting.
Ridiculous i hear you say...but quite true!!!
so when a decision like the 75 percent roster comes through on a weekend we should not blame the manager that tried to implement it ASAP.
Whoever was responsible for putting it out this weekend rather than waiting a bid period is probably as frustrated by the level of bureacracy he has to deal with as we are for being on the receiving end of it
Rarely is any notice given by qantas to flight attendants or the FAAA about anything. I dont think that's because of design merely because of utter and complete incompetence.
The decision making power is held so high that John Borghetti has to sign off a duty travel ticket for a manager to fly to melbourne for a meeting.
Ridiculous i hear you say...but quite true!!!
so when a decision like the 75 percent roster comes through on a weekend we should not blame the manager that tried to implement it ASAP.
Whoever was responsible for putting it out this weekend rather than waiting a bid period is probably as frustrated by the level of bureacracy he has to deal with as we are for being on the receiving end of it
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Pegasus ,
I don’t think that Steven’s interview should have gone boots and all into QF but the interview sounded as though it was with Kevin Brown rather than Steve. You said that “The reliability issues are well known” but that did not come out of the interview at all.
The company does not miss a chance to have a dig at us but all you can say is we have to be balanced and have credibility.The problem is that the situation is anything but balanced.
The company continue to have a shot at us with the allowances in Frankfurt and now this ridiculous situation of advertising something with little more than 24 hours notice.
There will be large numbers of crew getting home in the next week and basically saying WTF when they find out about this.They will look at the FAAA website and what do they find ..a newsletter telling us that ….“In our effort to investigate alternatives to provide flexibility for Long Haul Cabin Crew, the Association has agreed in principle with the Company to trial a 75% roster in BP250 for Sydney based Flight Attendants, Business First FA and CSS.”
That sounds like the union is working with the company and giving it’s members very little if any chance of taking advantage of it.
Your last post sounds just like the radio interview with Steve…you are just covering up for the company again…whose side are you on?
The last thing you should do though Pegasus is to try to deflect attention and distract crew away from this absurdity by having another shot at the S/H union and starting another bun fight.
Little wonder that we hold little hope of ever amalgamating the 2 unions with your example of leadership
I don’t think that Steven’s interview should have gone boots and all into QF but the interview sounded as though it was with Kevin Brown rather than Steve. You said that “The reliability issues are well known” but that did not come out of the interview at all.
The company does not miss a chance to have a dig at us but all you can say is we have to be balanced and have credibility.The problem is that the situation is anything but balanced.
The company continue to have a shot at us with the allowances in Frankfurt and now this ridiculous situation of advertising something with little more than 24 hours notice.
There will be large numbers of crew getting home in the next week and basically saying WTF when they find out about this.They will look at the FAAA website and what do they find ..a newsletter telling us that ….“In our effort to investigate alternatives to provide flexibility for Long Haul Cabin Crew, the Association has agreed in principle with the Company to trial a 75% roster in BP250 for Sydney based Flight Attendants, Business First FA and CSS.”
That sounds like the union is working with the company and giving it’s members very little if any chance of taking advantage of it.
Your last post sounds just like the radio interview with Steve…you are just covering up for the company again…whose side are you on?
The last thing you should do though Pegasus is to try to deflect attention and distract crew away from this absurdity by having another shot at the S/H union and starting another bun fight.
Little wonder that we hold little hope of ever amalgamating the 2 unions with your example of leadership
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there you go making presumptions about leadership again LL.
I am sure the FAAA will put out a newsletter on monday or tuesday that gives more detail rather than the one sent today and obviously on a sunday and hastily put together to benefit members of the FAAA that wouldnt know anything about the 75 deal with contact from the FAAA
After all LL you found out from the FAAA didnt you
So despite your misgivings the FAAA reacted quite fast i would think. Especially on a sunday
but i am sure as with all things done by the FAAA you will find fault
YOu are entirely consistent.....
I am sure the FAAA will put out a newsletter on monday or tuesday that gives more detail rather than the one sent today and obviously on a sunday and hastily put together to benefit members of the FAAA that wouldnt know anything about the 75 deal with contact from the FAAA
After all LL you found out from the FAAA didnt you
So despite your misgivings the FAAA reacted quite fast i would think. Especially on a sunday
but i am sure as with all things done by the FAAA you will find fault
YOu are entirely consistent.....
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Newspaper readers comments about the Ralph Fiennes Fiasco
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Ralph Fiennes in sex scandal
By Marnie O'Neill
February 11, 2007 12:00
A QANTAS flight attendant faces the sack after being accused of having sex with British actor Ralph Fiennes in an aircraft toilet while flying from Australia to India.
Sydney-based Lisa Robertson, 38, met the star of The English Patient while working in the business-class cabin on flight QF 123 from Darwin to Mumbai on January 24.
In a confidential report to Qantas management obtained by The Sunday Telegraph, Ms Robertson is accused of chatting to Fiennes during the flight and being seen exiting the same toilet moments apart.
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Crew members waited outside the toilet? Sounds like jealousy to me. Normally they look out for each other to keep the coast clear.
Posted by: Nick Oz of Red HIll 4:03pm today
Comment 20 of 20
Since when do the flight stewards use the same toilet as the passngers, even in business class. Don't they have their own little haven where they can sleep on luxurious and spacious seats with their own toilets?
Posted by: George 3:45pm today
Comment 19 of 20
Please let Lisa be, look, I am quite a famous person and this wasn't the first time I'd enjoyed the services of flight attendant's. If every flight attendant I'd had sex with mid air were fired then the unemployment line would be very very long indeed. Thank you
Posted by: Ralph Fiennes of London 3:42pm today
Comment 18 of 20
This girl must have been either desparate or use to this sort of service. This guys not only ugly but looks a 100 years old. I suspect this is not her first frolic in the toilets of the mile high club. Not much can happen in this sort of confined space, so perhaps it should be called the one minute club. I know one minute sounds embarrassing anywhere, but to some its simply nothing.
Posted by: Hona Wikeepa of Sydney 2:49pm today
Comment 17 of 20
Unfortunately, there is a vile culture of dobbing on crew that is encouraged by the Current cabin Crew Management. morale has never been lower for cabin crew who work for a management who's noses are so firmly in the proverbial trough that it causes total disenchantment. This is a casual flight attendant who doesnt get sick leave, annual leave, or any travel benefits. cant get a home loan or a credit card either ...stress related behaviour i would have thought.
Posted by: A flight Attendant of Sydney 2:40pm today
Comment 16 of 20
Does anyone have her phone number ?
Posted by: Jimbo of Canberra 2:04pm today
Comment 15 of 20
All very innocent - there is nothing in this.I'd say one of the co-workers may have been jealous & decided to make a complaint.
Posted by: Wendy of Mid North Coast,NSW 1:42pm today
Comment 14 of 20
Let me understand this correctly: A hardworking, intelligent woman's job is in jeopardy all because an oversexed, egotistical actor doesn't know how to be have decently and thinks he's God's gift to women? Does this sound fair to her?
Posted by: Michelle Murray of Sydney 1:32pm today
Comment 13 of 20
Good to see the hostesses solving the recent problems with in-flight entertaiment. .God forbid even Ralph Fiennes should be forced to watch a Ralph Fiennes film.
Posted by: Ashleigh Flanders of Melbourne 12:51pm today
Comment 12 of 20
What's Ralph's account of the encounter? Has anyone from Qantas even dared to approach him? No sacking until both sides of the story have been fully investigated. But then, has Qantas ever been fair or impartial in these matters, particularly when it involves those of star-status, whatever that is?
Posted by: chris johnson of Robina 12:47pm today
Comment 11 of 20
Really, who cares??? Isn't there more important things to be worrying about. So what if she shagged him. Good on her. Would have made the long flight more enjoyable!!
Posted by: Marie of Sydney 11:52am today
Comment 10 of 20
Unless someone actually caught them in the act, then they should shut up. It's probably one of those gay flight stewards with their nose out of joint. She was providing him with first class service. Who cares? Not me.
Posted by: The Rodster of sydney 11:51am today
Comment 9 of 20
I think the crew members over-reacted on this issue and they caught her doing nothing She had her cloth on, Ms Robertson provided a statement about it to Qantas Management and end of the story I think there must be a certain amount of jealousy on the part of the other crew members of not having the same luck as Ms Robertson in becoming close to the STAR. By the way it takes two to tango what about asking some questions to the British Actor as well, It is not fair on Ms Robertson
Posted by: Claudio Ampuero of Queanbeyan 11:24am today
Comment 8 of 20
Your reportage of the Ralph Fiennes incident is tawdry , to say the least. How you obtained the "confidential" Qantas report should be revealed by your journalist. If I was the flight attendant involved I'd sue both your newspaper and Qantas for breaches of privacy.
Posted by: David Shaw of Manly 10:46am today
Comment 7 of 20
If the only thing to it was that she was on her break and nobody saw or heard her actually having sex, then she did nothing wrong. If she spent too much time talking to him or was openly flirting, and allowed him to remain in the jumpseat which is against safety rules, then she would need to be disiplined (probably just cautioned) accordingly. But then, if the complaint is still being processed, I'm sure we don't have the airlines version of the events that were witnessed by other light staff on that flight.
Posted by: Tracey of Queensland 9:46am today
Comment 6 of 20
ralph is not a good looking actor. wonder if the air hostess is good looking. give the woman a break. bill clinton still remained the president of the usa it cant get more scandalous than that give her a second chance at her job...
Posted by: Observer 7:32am today
Comment 5 of 20
Sounds like a fair explanation of events to me. Good luck Lisa and i hope you clear your name. As for Qantas, I will just add this to my reasons why I do not fly Qantas anymore.
Posted by: Tracker of Sydney 3:01am today
Comment 4 of 20
ehearing the heading of this article, and the punishment meted out so far, i was expecting to believe that this airline hostess had indeed done something unacceptable on this flight. upon reading furthur, and finding out about her backround and understanding that she is an intelligent, capable, hard working woman, i changed my mind. her statement is very believable, and so, it seems, is she. it sounds like this actor was being a bit forceful, and maybe taking advantage of her friendliness and engaging manor, that in the past has served her well in her profession. i believe that this desrves more checking out so that a professional who has beexcellent doesnt lose her job because a man who was trying to get his way isnt the reason that she is fired from this airline.
Posted by: valerie a peters of usa 2:21am today
Comment 3 of 20
What's Ralph say???
Posted by: James of Manly 1:46am today
Comment 2 of 20
Fair play - leave her be
Posted by: Murry Walker 12:31am today
Comment 1 of 20
Ralph Fiennes in sex scandal
By Marnie O'Neill
February 11, 2007 12:00
A QANTAS flight attendant faces the sack after being accused of having sex with British actor Ralph Fiennes in an aircraft toilet while flying from Australia to India.
Sydney-based Lisa Robertson, 38, met the star of The English Patient while working in the business-class cabin on flight QF 123 from Darwin to Mumbai on January 24.
In a confidential report to Qantas management obtained by The Sunday Telegraph, Ms Robertson is accused of chatting to Fiennes during the flight and being seen exiting the same toilet moments apart.
Read Full Story
Crew members waited outside the toilet? Sounds like jealousy to me. Normally they look out for each other to keep the coast clear.
Posted by: Nick Oz of Red HIll 4:03pm today
Comment 20 of 20
Since when do the flight stewards use the same toilet as the passngers, even in business class. Don't they have their own little haven where they can sleep on luxurious and spacious seats with their own toilets?
Posted by: George 3:45pm today
Comment 19 of 20
Please let Lisa be, look, I am quite a famous person and this wasn't the first time I'd enjoyed the services of flight attendant's. If every flight attendant I'd had sex with mid air were fired then the unemployment line would be very very long indeed. Thank you
Posted by: Ralph Fiennes of London 3:42pm today
Comment 18 of 20
This girl must have been either desparate or use to this sort of service. This guys not only ugly but looks a 100 years old. I suspect this is not her first frolic in the toilets of the mile high club. Not much can happen in this sort of confined space, so perhaps it should be called the one minute club. I know one minute sounds embarrassing anywhere, but to some its simply nothing.
Posted by: Hona Wikeepa of Sydney 2:49pm today
Comment 17 of 20
Unfortunately, there is a vile culture of dobbing on crew that is encouraged by the Current cabin Crew Management. morale has never been lower for cabin crew who work for a management who's noses are so firmly in the proverbial trough that it causes total disenchantment. This is a casual flight attendant who doesnt get sick leave, annual leave, or any travel benefits. cant get a home loan or a credit card either ...stress related behaviour i would have thought.
Posted by: A flight Attendant of Sydney 2:40pm today
Comment 16 of 20
Does anyone have her phone number ?
Posted by: Jimbo of Canberra 2:04pm today
Comment 15 of 20
All very innocent - there is nothing in this.I'd say one of the co-workers may have been jealous & decided to make a complaint.
Posted by: Wendy of Mid North Coast,NSW 1:42pm today
Comment 14 of 20
Let me understand this correctly: A hardworking, intelligent woman's job is in jeopardy all because an oversexed, egotistical actor doesn't know how to be have decently and thinks he's God's gift to women? Does this sound fair to her?
Posted by: Michelle Murray of Sydney 1:32pm today
Comment 13 of 20
Good to see the hostesses solving the recent problems with in-flight entertaiment. .God forbid even Ralph Fiennes should be forced to watch a Ralph Fiennes film.
Posted by: Ashleigh Flanders of Melbourne 12:51pm today
Comment 12 of 20
What's Ralph's account of the encounter? Has anyone from Qantas even dared to approach him? No sacking until both sides of the story have been fully investigated. But then, has Qantas ever been fair or impartial in these matters, particularly when it involves those of star-status, whatever that is?
Posted by: chris johnson of Robina 12:47pm today
Comment 11 of 20
Really, who cares??? Isn't there more important things to be worrying about. So what if she shagged him. Good on her. Would have made the long flight more enjoyable!!
Posted by: Marie of Sydney 11:52am today
Comment 10 of 20
Unless someone actually caught them in the act, then they should shut up. It's probably one of those gay flight stewards with their nose out of joint. She was providing him with first class service. Who cares? Not me.
Posted by: The Rodster of sydney 11:51am today
Comment 9 of 20
I think the crew members over-reacted on this issue and they caught her doing nothing She had her cloth on, Ms Robertson provided a statement about it to Qantas Management and end of the story I think there must be a certain amount of jealousy on the part of the other crew members of not having the same luck as Ms Robertson in becoming close to the STAR. By the way it takes two to tango what about asking some questions to the British Actor as well, It is not fair on Ms Robertson
Posted by: Claudio Ampuero of Queanbeyan 11:24am today
Comment 8 of 20
Your reportage of the Ralph Fiennes incident is tawdry , to say the least. How you obtained the "confidential" Qantas report should be revealed by your journalist. If I was the flight attendant involved I'd sue both your newspaper and Qantas for breaches of privacy.
Posted by: David Shaw of Manly 10:46am today
Comment 7 of 20
If the only thing to it was that she was on her break and nobody saw or heard her actually having sex, then she did nothing wrong. If she spent too much time talking to him or was openly flirting, and allowed him to remain in the jumpseat which is against safety rules, then she would need to be disiplined (probably just cautioned) accordingly. But then, if the complaint is still being processed, I'm sure we don't have the airlines version of the events that were witnessed by other light staff on that flight.
Posted by: Tracey of Queensland 9:46am today
Comment 6 of 20
ralph is not a good looking actor. wonder if the air hostess is good looking. give the woman a break. bill clinton still remained the president of the usa it cant get more scandalous than that give her a second chance at her job...
Posted by: Observer 7:32am today
Comment 5 of 20
Sounds like a fair explanation of events to me. Good luck Lisa and i hope you clear your name. As for Qantas, I will just add this to my reasons why I do not fly Qantas anymore.
Posted by: Tracker of Sydney 3:01am today
Comment 4 of 20
ehearing the heading of this article, and the punishment meted out so far, i was expecting to believe that this airline hostess had indeed done something unacceptable on this flight. upon reading furthur, and finding out about her backround and understanding that she is an intelligent, capable, hard working woman, i changed my mind. her statement is very believable, and so, it seems, is she. it sounds like this actor was being a bit forceful, and maybe taking advantage of her friendliness and engaging manor, that in the past has served her well in her profession. i believe that this desrves more checking out so that a professional who has beexcellent doesnt lose her job because a man who was trying to get his way isnt the reason that she is fired from this airline.
Posted by: valerie a peters of usa 2:21am today
Comment 3 of 20
What's Ralph say???
Posted by: James of Manly 1:46am today
Comment 2 of 20
Fair play - leave her be
Posted by: Murry Walker 12:31am today
Comment 1 of 20
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Pegasus,
I didn't find out about the fiasco from the faaa website,I found out about it through pprune.I then went to the faaa site to see if there was any more news about it.I was expecting to see the faaa give the company a serve for it's stupidity but what do i find ..nothing really more than I found out on pprune.
However ,it was later that a post who is very very close to the elected officials basically telling us that the company tried it's best and you feel sorry for the manager who tried to introduce it.
You then went on to try and distract attention to this by having a shot at the s/h union and did so again by drawing attention to the ralph fiennes business.
I'm sure you'll bring out another newsletter to cover yourself though....and some here think there is a chance of the two unions joining forces...yeah right
I didn't find out about the fiasco from the faaa website,I found out about it through pprune.I then went to the faaa site to see if there was any more news about it.I was expecting to see the faaa give the company a serve for it's stupidity but what do i find ..nothing really more than I found out on pprune.
However ,it was later that a post who is very very close to the elected officials basically telling us that the company tried it's best and you feel sorry for the manager who tried to introduce it.
You then went on to try and distract attention to this by having a shot at the s/h union and did so again by drawing attention to the ralph fiennes business.
I'm sure you'll bring out another newsletter to cover yourself though....and some here think there is a chance of the two unions joining forces...yeah right
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well lowerlobe it was the previous elected officials that split the FAAA not the current ones.
So when you suggest that the current officials are to blame then you need to realise that the current leadership are the ones trying to put it togther
You have no idea what is going on behind the scenes. and you will never know because you will never have the capacity to get yourself elected or solve the problems.
If it were all easy then i am sure anyone could it.
I am sure you will be at the FAAA gatherings over a coffee and a muffin to make a lot of suggestions and be part of a sensible discussion.
As you are reasonably intelligent i am sure the FAAA officials would welcome discussing your views and those of anyone who wishes to attend and be heard and of course hear stuff 1st hand.
i am sure you will not make some excuse about couldnt be bothered going coz its all a waste of time etc etc etc
i am very confident that someone with as much to say as you will be there with proverbial bells on.
If you want anything addressed in an FAAA newsletter just drop them an anonymous note perhaps.....
So when you suggest that the current officials are to blame then you need to realise that the current leadership are the ones trying to put it togther
You have no idea what is going on behind the scenes. and you will never know because you will never have the capacity to get yourself elected or solve the problems.
If it were all easy then i am sure anyone could it.
I am sure you will be at the FAAA gatherings over a coffee and a muffin to make a lot of suggestions and be part of a sensible discussion.
As you are reasonably intelligent i am sure the FAAA officials would welcome discussing your views and those of anyone who wishes to attend and be heard and of course hear stuff 1st hand.
i am sure you will not make some excuse about couldnt be bothered going coz its all a waste of time etc etc etc
i am very confident that someone with as much to say as you will be there with proverbial bells on.
If you want anything addressed in an FAAA newsletter just drop them an anonymous note perhaps.....
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What do you expect !! It was QF Shorthaul FA's after all.Not the accused, the "Dobbers"
True to form if you ask me. 
What do you expect !! It was QF Shorthaul FA's after all.Not the accused, the "Dobbers"
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Interesting that the WA papers did not name the FA concerned.
Also, I wonder how a 'confidential' report got to the press? SOmeone in QF PR perhaps?? WOuldn't be a bad way to 'sex up' the image and get business traffic from LCC's who think Qantas hosties are old...
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Also, I wonder how a 'confidential' report got to the press? SOmeone in QF PR perhaps?? WOuldn't be a bad way to 'sex up' the image and get business traffic from LCC's who think Qantas hosties are old...
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Capt Cynical is so right the little dobber mentality in S/H strikes again what is in these peoples heads that they feel the need 2 dob their work mates in . I sincerely hope the allegation of having sex in the toilet was made in writing and signed by these creeps . The unfortunate Ms Robertson should have no trouble getting out of this and oh what fun she should have with these errrr "co workers".