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......no doubt the new uniform ideas came from a series of "focus group" sessions with our esteemed "managers" all sitting in a room in QCC with double -shot latte's in hand.
"""mmmmmm, lets see now item #1-new apron. Lets ensure it has a SAT NAV device attached so that we can track them at ALL times-incase they sneak off to do dastardly things in toilets with Blankets or "has been" film stars .
"Next item #2 -trousers. Lets ensure that ( due to OH&S ) we have knee pads sewn in to ensure no injuries occur when they are on their knees during EBA negotiations.!!!"
" Brilliant ideas team................now lets get back out there and kick some more arse!.............remember our new Owners' motto:
"RIP ,RORT & ROUT"
Unfortunately, the sad thing about the above post is that...these Clowns actually believe that they are contributing to the success of Qantas Airlines Ltd.
Go figure!!!!
"""mmmmmm, lets see now item #1-new apron. Lets ensure it has a SAT NAV device attached so that we can track them at ALL times-incase they sneak off to do dastardly things in toilets with Blankets or "has been" film stars .
"Next item #2 -trousers. Lets ensure that ( due to OH&S ) we have knee pads sewn in to ensure no injuries occur when they are on their knees during EBA negotiations.!!!"
" Brilliant ideas team................now lets get back out there and kick some more arse!.............remember our new Owners' motto:
"RIP ,RORT & ROUT"
Unfortunately, the sad thing about the above post is that...these Clowns actually believe that they are contributing to the success of Qantas Airlines Ltd.
Go figure!!!!
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Here's an idea and i don't know if it would work but here it is.We all know that the company through mam is destroying our conditions by stealth.The jobs that mam get effect not only s/h but l/h too.
How about if both sides of the union put out a advert explaining how poor the pay is for a mam compared to permanent crew.We are not saying that maurice is a rip off but that the pay is just not as good that way he can't take legal action against us.
if no one applys for a job with the company through mam or at least the numbers are less than they need.If we make the job unpopular then we might get them to talk with us instead of just trying to shaft us.
Here's an idea and i don't know if it would work but here it is.We all know that the company through mam is destroying our conditions by stealth.The jobs that mam get effect not only s/h but l/h too.
How about if both sides of the union put out a advert explaining how poor the pay is for a mam compared to permanent crew.We are not saying that maurice is a rip off but that the pay is just not as good that way he can't take legal action against us.
if no one applys for a job with the company through mam or at least the numbers are less than they need.If we make the job unpopular then we might get them to talk with us instead of just trying to shaft us.
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I said compared with permanent crew.
How about
No paid sick leave
No super
No LSL
No paid holidays
As well as more hours and as you said NO GUARANTEED PAY
and there might be other stuff I don’t know about.
Now I can’t talk for you but that doesn’t sound too good to me.
Twiggs there is no question about why the company is using mam so why do you always post a pro company point of view.
We are being undone by things like mam and all you can say is the pay is not that bad.
Twiggs would you want to work for the mam conditions especially the latest contracts
I said compared with permanent crew.
How about
No paid sick leave
No super
No LSL
No paid holidays
As well as more hours and as you said NO GUARANTEED PAY
and there might be other stuff I don’t know about.
Now I can’t talk for you but that doesn’t sound too good to me.
Twiggs there is no question about why the company is using mam so why do you always post a pro company point of view.
We are being undone by things like mam and all you can say is the pay is not that bad.
Twiggs would you want to work for the mam conditions especially the latest contracts
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I am not taking a "pro company point of view".
I am just highlighting possible inconsistencies in your plan of attack.
Some would view that as assisting you.
P.S.
If I was coming from a ground job which may or may not be casual and I was looking to fly, hell yeah I would work for MAM conditions.
I am just highlighting possible inconsistencies in your plan of attack.
Some would view that as assisting you.
P.S.
If I was coming from a ground job which may or may not be casual and I was looking to fly, hell yeah I would work for MAM conditions.
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Tell me how advertising that the pay is not as good as permanent crew get, is going to stop people joining QF as a MAM casual, considering there are no permanent positions available?
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I would work 130 hours/month (33 hours/week) on MAM conditions if I was young, and coming from hospotality/retail and permanancy was not an option. Of course I wouldn't give up what I have for those conditions and it is silly to hypothesise about doing that.
Last I checked every employee in this country gets a min of 9% employer super contributions.
I agree, something needs to give, but perhaps advertising could have the reverse effect? I really think introducing a new pay structure/divisor with a different type of flexibility for new emploees is the safest option for all.
I would work 130 hours/month (33 hours/week) on MAM conditions if I was young, and coming from hospotality/retail and permanancy was not an option. Of course I wouldn't give up what I have for those conditions and it is silly to hypothesise about doing that.
Last I checked every employee in this country gets a min of 9% employer super contributions.
I agree, something needs to give, but perhaps advertising could have the reverse effect? I really think introducing a new pay structure/divisor with a different type of flexibility for new emploees is the safest option for all.
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what might make applicants think twice is if an add by the union or ACTU or the company explaining to the public there are no full time jobs available. Flying for Mam or as a kiwi base will not give you entry into QF mainline - at all!!!
Heavily emphasise that there will be No way of ever becoming a full time employee by flying as stated above.
Nothing illegal in that. In fact it is supporting the Companies employment process and transparency of hire.
Maybe the FAAA can ask the Company to highlight that in their recruitment adds so there is no confusion or false hopes for people who could be persuing other avenues of employment which offer greater opportunities and provide reasonable benefits such as annual leave/LSL/ sick leave etc.
Be aware there will always be a small contingent of the work force who is happy with a casual conditions for short term periods.
Im sure if the Company asked there MAM casuals how many would seek to transfer to full time employment with above conditions there wouldnt be many casuals left.
what might make applicants think twice is if an add by the union or ACTU or the company explaining to the public there are no full time jobs available. Flying for Mam or as a kiwi base will not give you entry into QF mainline - at all!!!
Heavily emphasise that there will be No way of ever becoming a full time employee by flying as stated above.
Nothing illegal in that. In fact it is supporting the Companies employment process and transparency of hire.
Maybe the FAAA can ask the Company to highlight that in their recruitment adds so there is no confusion or false hopes for people who could be persuing other avenues of employment which offer greater opportunities and provide reasonable benefits such as annual leave/LSL/ sick leave etc.
Be aware there will always be a small contingent of the work force who is happy with a casual conditions for short term periods.
Im sure if the Company asked there MAM casuals how many would seek to transfer to full time employment with above conditions there wouldnt be many casuals left.
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Twiggs…NO YOU DID NOT..
You said “Tell me how advertising that the pay is not as good as permanent crew get”
you did not answer my other points of their contract such as no paid sick leave ..no super…no LSL etc….
If you point out to people who are thinking of flying that the conditions are bloody awful then they might not apply.
If a business advertises a job and no one applys because the pay and conditions are not good enough then they have to increase their offer.
Girly if the company cannot get enough people under the mam idea and the crew that are mams are more expensive then maybe they will hire more permanent crew because they are not any cheaper
If people who want to fly see that flying as a mam is not as good as they might have thought and if they do not apply mam will have to increase their offer.
This makes it more expensive and the whole idea of using mam was to save money.
The only thing that the company reacts to is …MONEY
That’s the ironic thing mam was set up by a guy that used to be on the union to protect pay and conditions of workers
hawke eye..mate very good point ..if there is no light at the end of the tunnel then they might lose interest
You said “Tell me how advertising that the pay is not as good as permanent crew get”
you did not answer my other points of their contract such as no paid sick leave ..no super…no LSL etc….
If you point out to people who are thinking of flying that the conditions are bloody awful then they might not apply.
If a business advertises a job and no one applys because the pay and conditions are not good enough then they have to increase their offer.
Girly if the company cannot get enough people under the mam idea and the crew that are mams are more expensive then maybe they will hire more permanent crew because they are not any cheaper
If people who want to fly see that flying as a mam is not as good as they might have thought and if they do not apply mam will have to increase their offer.
This makes it more expensive and the whole idea of using mam was to save money.
The only thing that the company reacts to is …MONEY
That’s the ironic thing mam was set up by a guy that used to be on the union to protect pay and conditions of workers
hawke eye..mate very good point ..if there is no light at the end of the tunnel then they might lose interest