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Leane7 raises a very valid point. Being in the same position I would like to add to that. We didn't take anything off anyone, it was an opportunity presented and I accepted it. Weather I agree on what GD and his followers do is irrelevant. I wanted a job as a flight attendant, Adecco (now Jetconnect) were hiring, I applied and here I am. Pointing the finger at overseas crew, or anyone else is counter productive. It's been going on for 7 years and where has it gotten anyone.
Leane7 (who I'm assuming is around my age) and I have about 40 years left in the workforce, and we'll probably be working long after most of the crew I work with now are gone. This is as good as it gets for my generation, lucky for you it's the worst you've seen it.
In my opinion, if a workforce is so passionate about their jobs and are concerned about their conditions eroding, they should unite, quit throwing insults at one another and come up with some constructive ways to prevent the situation getting worse.
Leane7 (who I'm assuming is around my age) and I have about 40 years left in the workforce, and we'll probably be working long after most of the crew I work with now are gone. This is as good as it gets for my generation, lucky for you it's the worst you've seen it.
In my opinion, if a workforce is so passionate about their jobs and are concerned about their conditions eroding, they should unite, quit throwing insults at one another and come up with some constructive ways to prevent the situation getting worse.
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I just want to say.. It depends on what base your in on how much commission you get paid each month. And if your doing monings or arvo's Mornings seem to be less than arvo's. on commission. I also want to say it's not that bad at JQ, it does not matter how you do the service, ie> Would you like to purchase something from the menu or Would you care for a refreshment..(Full service) We are providing a service for the travelling puplic like it or not.. And if you do not like it what keeps you in the job? Not managment the door is there only have to give 4 weeks notic, everyone is replacable.. It's how you make your own day not how managment make it, some times you just have to go oh well **** happens, and lets have a great day! I have more great days than non great days, but I'm always smilling and laughing, I just love life. And I do have bad days but no one knows... 
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JQ isn't everyone's idea of a great flying job. However, some current crew are very happy and I think that needs to be respected.
We all have bad days and yes this industry isn't the same as what it used to be. Are we ever going to get the good old days back? I don't know.
I am JQ crew and I must admit I have bad days when I think "why do I bother"? But come to think of it doesn't everyone?- no matter what you do.
As a whole no one wants to take jobs or routes away from QF. We are all part of this group and we should try to support eachother. I urge all crew to take the time to smile say hello if you pass eachother or on a paxing flight. Think of what it must be like for some JQ crew using duty travel on QF. It is true, it sometimes can be a little scary to say you are JQ. Only because we don't know what type of a response we will receive. At the end of the day we are all cabin crew no matter whether we are wearing the orange jacket or the print.
This next point is to JQ crew............
The only thing that I would have to say to new and sometimes young JQ respect the more senior crew. They have the experience that you don't, they have been in this game longer and sometimes from other airlines.
There has been alot of issues lately at JQ about crew working days off and up grading to CM for the day and attending call outs under two hours etc. Most people totally respect that you want to progress in the company and hey who doesn't like the extra $$$. But please don't sell us all out. In that I mean... you can say no to working 4 sectors on your day off, you get paid the same if you only do 2 sectors. You can say to crewing, "I can help you out with 2 sectors". The role of CM is a serious position. You are in charge of the safety of the pax & crew in the cabin. Please do not take on this position for a day lightly. I would strongly recommend saying no to an upgrade for a day if you have under 1 year flying experience. If you say yes and something happens (God forbid) could you handle it??? Are you willing to except the responsiblity??
In regard to the call out on LIVE days... for god's sake don't answer your phone before the call out time begins. You do not have to and you wont get into trouble!! Please take the 2 hour call out. The more senior crew have worked hard for what conditions we have. I get so sick of hearing from the junior crew" but I wanted to do it or I could get there in 30-45mins" This totally undermines the EBA and our conditions. Once you say yes to a condition outside of the EBA you are setting yourself up for the next time, and guess what the next time may not suit you, but then crewing say" but C....... you did it before" so now you feel obligated to do it again.
I try not to be bitter
...... and for all the JQ who read this please take my comments as food for thought.
PS; I am not a union delegate.
We all have bad days and yes this industry isn't the same as what it used to be. Are we ever going to get the good old days back? I don't know.
I am JQ crew and I must admit I have bad days when I think "why do I bother"? But come to think of it doesn't everyone?- no matter what you do.
As a whole no one wants to take jobs or routes away from QF. We are all part of this group and we should try to support eachother. I urge all crew to take the time to smile say hello if you pass eachother or on a paxing flight. Think of what it must be like for some JQ crew using duty travel on QF. It is true, it sometimes can be a little scary to say you are JQ. Only because we don't know what type of a response we will receive. At the end of the day we are all cabin crew no matter whether we are wearing the orange jacket or the print.
This next point is to JQ crew............
The only thing that I would have to say to new and sometimes young JQ respect the more senior crew. They have the experience that you don't, they have been in this game longer and sometimes from other airlines.
There has been alot of issues lately at JQ about crew working days off and up grading to CM for the day and attending call outs under two hours etc. Most people totally respect that you want to progress in the company and hey who doesn't like the extra $$$. But please don't sell us all out. In that I mean... you can say no to working 4 sectors on your day off, you get paid the same if you only do 2 sectors. You can say to crewing, "I can help you out with 2 sectors". The role of CM is a serious position. You are in charge of the safety of the pax & crew in the cabin. Please do not take on this position for a day lightly. I would strongly recommend saying no to an upgrade for a day if you have under 1 year flying experience. If you say yes and something happens (God forbid) could you handle it??? Are you willing to except the responsiblity??
In regard to the call out on LIVE days... for god's sake don't answer your phone before the call out time begins. You do not have to and you wont get into trouble!! Please take the 2 hour call out. The more senior crew have worked hard for what conditions we have. I get so sick of hearing from the junior crew" but I wanted to do it or I could get there in 30-45mins" This totally undermines the EBA and our conditions. Once you say yes to a condition outside of the EBA you are setting yourself up for the next time, and guess what the next time may not suit you, but then crewing say" but C....... you did it before" so now you feel obligated to do it again.
I try not to be bitter
...... and for all the JQ who read this please take my comments as food for thought.PS; I am not a union delegate.
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Vince1 is on the money....
By rocking up in 10 minutes to do a 4 sector as CM on your day off sets the precedent......
When you say no you have to say it politely...and you won't be in trouble
We all spend hours upon hours readingthe ever updating and gramatically incorect(sic) Manuals yet no one takes the time to read the EBA....
Remember the EBA is a management document.... I hear so many times that crew are being told by crewing the incorrect rest periods and no one challenges it......yet we challenge the long term carpark bus??
My advise is to READ YOUR EBA and understand the rules of it.... At the end of the day it is a management directive that OUR JQ managers adhere to if they need to shaft us with it they will.... If we are late.... our base managers say ... "its in the EBA"
READ AND KNOW YOUR EBA READ AND KNOW YOUR EBA READ AND KNOW YOUR EBA READ AND KNOW YOUR EBA READ AND KNOW YOUR EBA READ AND KNOW YOUR EBA...
(I am not a union rep either... wouldn't do that for all the pringles in GG)
By rocking up in 10 minutes to do a 4 sector as CM on your day off sets the precedent......
When you say no you have to say it politely...and you won't be in trouble
We all spend hours upon hours readingthe ever updating and gramatically incorect(sic) Manuals yet no one takes the time to read the EBA....
Remember the EBA is a management document.... I hear so many times that crew are being told by crewing the incorrect rest periods and no one challenges it......yet we challenge the long term carpark bus??
My advise is to READ YOUR EBA and understand the rules of it.... At the end of the day it is a management directive that OUR JQ managers adhere to if they need to shaft us with it they will.... If we are late.... our base managers say ... "its in the EBA"
READ AND KNOW YOUR EBA READ AND KNOW YOUR EBA READ AND KNOW YOUR EBA READ AND KNOW YOUR EBA READ AND KNOW YOUR EBA READ AND KNOW YOUR EBA...
(I am not a union rep either... wouldn't do that for all the pringles in GG)
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How did Jetstar International's first flight go? Heard from a friend how the service runs and it sounds like a nightmare! Will be interesting to see how the pax react to this 'brave new world'....
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If you know something just let your other colleagues know, obviously confidentiality has to be maintained but at least paint the picture a bit more. Aren't we all in this together.
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Did the grand plan not quite work out?
Charging for food ,drink, blankets and pillows as well as going to the toilet not raise the anticipated and required amount.
Has GD created another J* Asia ?
If the hostile takeover takes place The new owners are really going to want to sell J*!!!
Charging for food ,drink, blankets and pillows as well as going to the toilet not raise the anticipated and required amount.
Has GD created another J* Asia ?
If the hostile takeover takes place The new owners are really going to want to sell J*!!!
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Or if you are successful in your application for a job you can have the cost of the morning tea taken out of your pay over an agreed length of time.
This is by far the preferred option as it is set up as a salary sacrifice procedure.This then lowers you tax as it lowers your gross amount or you can just claim the amount of the morning tea in your next tax return.J* always endeavours to please both it’s customer and employee.
By the way Iced Vo Vo’s are more expensive than other biscuits so keep an eye on your tab because J* does.
This is by far the preferred option as it is set up as a salary sacrifice procedure.This then lowers you tax as it lowers your gross amount or you can just claim the amount of the morning tea in your next tax return.J* always endeavours to please both it’s customer and employee.
By the way Iced Vo Vo’s are more expensive than other biscuits so keep an eye on your tab because J* does.
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on a more humourous note
i wonder what jetstar really would classify as 'morning tea' considering for breakfast we get a half size toblerone bar and a BIG box of shapes each (yes, .. the big box that you normally buy when you are having a party!) and a few olives, half an onion and a cube of fetta for lunch.
it seems that they are trying to fatten us up at breakfast by overloading us with food.. then come lunch time we get a side salad that is so small its practically inhaled let alone eaten...?
morning tea? what could they possibly think of to offer for that?
i wonder what jetstar really would classify as 'morning tea' considering for breakfast we get a half size toblerone bar and a BIG box of shapes each (yes, .. the big box that you normally buy when you are having a party!) and a few olives, half an onion and a cube of fetta for lunch.
it seems that they are trying to fatten us up at breakfast by overloading us with food.. then come lunch time we get a side salad that is so small its practically inhaled let alone eaten...?
morning tea? what could they possibly think of to offer for that?
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are you serious??
Are you guys actually serious that Jet* charges for the morning Tea? I cant believe that that is right....if it is thats very embarressing for them...!!!
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Would we dare mislead you, Annie? That said, might I suggest that you should have a redder face than anyone at Jetstar?
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Thanks
Thanks Fly Perth....It did sound very far fetched...however there is alot of things posted on here which seem too silly to be real.....I wish you all the best of luck!!
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